Tulsi Gabbard to run for President

[ProBlue33]

This one is for the olbies of RPF do you remember Dennis Kucinich, if you don't he ran on the other side in 2008, he had many things he agreed with Ron Paul on.
In fact many here on RPF said a Paul/Kucinich unity ticket could have beat an Obama/Biden ticket in 2008.

In 2020 Gabbard is the Kucinich of this race, much like Webb was in 2016 for the DNC.
I have been posting to other forums that have political sections, and here is the interesting thing Obama voters from 2008/12 that switched to Trump in 2016 have said she is pretty much the only one they would switch back for, not Bernie....Biden and Harris or Warren forget it.

What about Gabbard/Paul unity ticket, I would like it because now the media would have to attack both sides, what would CNN ever do ?

I really like what Trump is trying to do but things have gotten way out hand with political tribalism, anybody else is going to take us further left and alienate and anger the center/right, that's like 1/2 the country. Trump has polarized the situation to the point it is immobilizing choices that need to be made and the other side just wants to win.

I would like America to have a real choice in 2020, Gabbard Vs Trump fits the bill.
I highly doubt she makes it through the primaries then again we thought that about Trump too.

[Swordsmyth]

This one is for the olbies of RPF do you remember Dennis Kucinich, if you don't he ran on the other side in 2008, he had many things he agreed with Ron Paul on.
In fact many here on RPF said a Paul/Kucinich unity ticket could have beat an Obama/Biden ticket in 2008.

In 2020 Gabbard is the Kucinich of this race, much like Webb was in 2016 for the DNC.
I have been posting to other forums that have political sections, and here is the interesting thing Obama voters from 2008/12 that switched to Trump in 2016 have said she is pretty much the only one they would switch back for, not Bernie....Biden and Harris or Warren forget it.

What about Gabbard/Paul unity ticket, I would like it because now the media would have to attack both sides, what would CNN ever do ?

I really like what Trump is trying to do but things have gotten way out hand with political tribalism, anybody else is going to take us further left and alienate and anger the center/right, that's like 1/2 the country. Trump has polarized the situation to the point it is immobilizing choices that need to be made and the other side just wants to win.

I would like America to have a real choice in 2020, Gabbard Vs Trump fits the bill.
I highly doubt she makes it through the primaries then again we thought that about Trump too.

She is much worse than Kucinich.
She is a CFR hypocrite and Rand shouldn't touch her with a 10 ft. pole.
If the Dems choose her then Trump will win but he may be pushed to outdo her at being antiwar for at least a year to take her best issue away from her so that might not be too bad but they will NOT choose her:

As Democrats Reunite With Neocons, Their Voters Are Becoming Far More Pro-War Than Republicans

[nikcers]

This one is for the olbies of RPF do you remember Dennis Kucinich, if you don't he ran on the other side in 2008, he had many things he agreed with Ron Paul on.
In fact many here on RPF said a Paul/Kucinich unity ticket could have beat an Obama/Biden ticket in 2008.

In 2020 Gabbard is the Kucinich of this race, much like Webb was in 2016 for the DNC.
I have been posting to other forums that have political sections, and here is the interesting thing Obama voters from 2008/12 that switched to Trump in 2016 have said she is pretty much the only one they would switch back for, not Bernie....Biden and Harris or Warren forget it.

What about Gabbard/Paul unity ticket, I would like it because now the media would have to attack both sides, what would CNN ever do ?

I really like what Trump is trying to do but things have gotten way out hand with political tribalism, anybody else is going to take us further left and alienate and anger the center/right, that's like 1/2 the country. Trump has polarized the situation to the point it is immobilizing choices that need to be made and the other side just wants to win.

I would like America to have a real choice in 2020, Gabbard Vs Trump fits the bill.
I highly doubt she makes it through the primaries then again we thought that about Trump too.

I was thinking that so far Tulsi Gabbard would be the least likely to move the republican platform away from a more hawkish foreign policy.

[specsaregood]

In 2020 Gabbard is the Kucinich of this race, much like Webb was in 2016 for the DNC.

I doubt Kucinich would have voted against repealing the 2001 AUMF, voted to provide military assistance to the Ukraine, or for arming AlQaeda in Syria. Quite simply, she is no Kucinich.

[ProBlue33]

Yeah the CFR is an issue for sure.
I think the issue is, in the primary how does the media treat her.
Honest question, if not her then who from the DNC is the least offensive to liberty ?

I have looked at the rest of the lineup and it's pathetic, my perception is that every single one of these people would be worse for America than Trump.
How pathetic is that.

Here is a statement from her when she met with Trump in 2016 after he won.

This was an opportunity to advocate for peace — and I felt it was important to take the opportunity to meet with the President-elect to counteract neocons’ steady drumbeats of war, which threaten to drag us into an escalation of the war to overthrow the Syrian government.

Something does not add up here, and I am not sure what, aren't the CFR neocons overall ?

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah the CFR is an issue for sure.
I think the issue is, in the primary how does the media treat her.
Honest question, if not her then who from the DNC is the least offensive to liberty ?

I have looked at the rest of the lineup and it's pathetic, my perception is that every single one of these people would be worse for America than Trump.
How pathetic is that.

That sounds accurate.

That's why the Demoncrat party must die.

[fcreature]

Uhh... pass!

Although based on my Facebook feed, former RP libertarians love her. Not sure what is there to love about this communist.

[Stratovarious]

I have mixed feelings about Alex. He woke a lot of people up back in the day, but he has made our side look silly. That all said, I trust him more than CNN. He never was a propaganda tool to get us in needless war overseas.

Right, I agree, it's those that dismiss Alex out of hand that have
clouded and rigid views, limited capacity and or counter agendas.
I had followed Alex for 16 or 17 years, I realized/surmised about 10 years
ago that he is a zionist shill, apologist or stooge, for some
reason (be it funding etc) is controlled, (Sean Hannity
much more so, along with most of Fox).
Alex is an obnoxious, hypocritical-buffoon, yet he is still
IMV the most important figure in the renaissance of our
awaking population, awakening to the corruption in our govt
and thirsting for truth and restoration of the Republic
(inalienable rights as afforded us by the founders)
Alex is perhaps less relevant today though, as the awakening is
now pretty much at a saturation point, and fairly universal
amongst the views of center to far right conservatives.
-
Hillary Prison
Audit Fed
Posse Comitatus
Militarization of Law Enforcement
Smart Appliances
Phony Cell Towers
False Flags
William Binney
NSA Meta Data Spying issue
-
Just to list a few of the topics that were viewed as heritical
conspiracy theories, in time became vetted, accepted,
and universally understood.
I don't follow Alex today, as its much too tedious to deal
with his website and since 2017 morphed into the
Trump Channel, of course I support Trump, but the
show is no longer as relevant to me.

[Stratovarious]

That sounds accurate.

That's why the Demoncrat party must die.

Great point, I realize you probably don't advocate shutting them down literally,
but today the most relevant parties and almost fair balance might be the
Republican vs Libertarian parties.
However a 'no party' system would probably be even better.

[shakey1]

Could get inarresting.

[specsaregood]

Uhh... pass!

Although based on my Facebook feed, former RP libertarians love her. Not sure what is there to love about this communist.

A fair number of "former RP libertarians" are just people that go around supporting whomever is the new hotness of the year. they were all Bernie bros last go around.

[ProBlue33]

A fair number of "former RP libertarians" are just people that go around supporting whomever is the new hotness of the year. they were all Bernie bros last go around.

Or they are left leaning libertarians, I took a political poll recently that had many questions it was sectioned into 4, right authoritarian, left authoritarian, right libertarian, left libertarian.

I landed just slightly left of center in the liberty camp, it surprised me that I wasn't slightly right of center in the liberty section, and I ended up closer to the authoritarian section than I thought I should have been, but then again I do have strong opinions on abortion and that probably got me there.

The point, there was always slightly left leaning libertarians on RPF, those that said Kucinich was their second pick after Ron Paul in 2008 fall into that category.

As to your other point, it's very true, there is the fringe benefit that Gabbard is easier on the eyes than Trumps orange face; the Hildabeast didn't get there either.....yeah I went there, petty I know but I am being pragmatic, some people vote on a combination of policy/party and looks.

We are talking about somebody who can surf verses somebody that couldn't even climb stairs without help, the first woman to be President needs to have a certain amount of vigor so that she actually can win.

[specsaregood]

the first woman to be President needs to have a certain amount of vigor so that she actually can win.

Why presume that there ever has to be a first woman to be president?

[RJB]

I appreciate Infowars more than I let on in these posts. However, Alex is considered a benchmark for wackos in certain circles. I noted that the shills on the forum who disparage any article from from Infowars, let stand my claim that CNN and MSNBC are far worse.

Even the "Gay Frogs" memes vs global warming... A chemical in our water supply that has been scientifically proven in the lab to alter tthe anatomy and physiology of an animal is far more dangerous than emitting a natural gas (CO2) that may or may not raise the temperature a 1/2 degree.

Right, I agree, it's those that dismiss Alex out of hand that have
clouded and rigid views, limited capacity and or counter agendas.
I had followed Alex for 16 or 17 years, I realized/surmised about 10 years
ago that he is a zionist shill, apologist or stooge, for some
reason (be it funding etc) is controlled, (Sean Hannity
much more so, along with most of Fox).
Alex is an obnoxious, hypocritical-buffoon, yet he is still
IMV the most important figure in the renaissance of our
awaking population, awakening to the corruption in our govt
and thirsting for truth and restoration of the Republic
(inalienable rights as afforded us by the founders)
Alex is perhaps less relevant today though, as the awakening is
now pretty much at a saturation point, and fairly universal
amongst the views of center to far right conservatives.
-
Hillary Prison
Audit Fed
Posse Comitatus
Militarization of Law Enforcement
Smart Appliances
Phony Cell Towers
False Flags
William Binney
NSA Meta Data Spying issue
-
Just to list a few of the topics that were viewed as heritical
conspiracy theories, in time became vetted, accepted,
and universally understood.
I don't follow Alex today, as its much too tedious to deal
with his website and since 2017 morphed into the
Trump Channel, of course I support Trump, but the
show is no longer as relevant to me.

[Brian4Liberty]

No worries everyone. The establishment put out another candidate, and pretty much any source is spending much more time talking about him, if they talk about Gabbard at all. He even got one of the coveted prime interviews on a Sunday morning propaganda show.

Julián Castro officially announces 2020 presidential bid

San Antonio (CNN) — Former secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro officially announced his presidential bid in San Antonio on Saturday, beginning a campaign that will look to turn his uniquely American immigrant story into a direct repudiation of President Donald Trump.

[Stratovarious]

I appreciate Infowars more than I let on in these posts. However, Alex is considered a benchmark for wackos in certain circles. I noted that the shills on the forum who disparage any article from from Infowars, let stand my claim that CNN and MSNBC are far worse.

Even the "Gay Frogs" memes vs global warming... A chemical in our water supply that has been scientifically proven in the lab to alter tthe anatomy and physiology of an animal is far more dangerous than emitting a natural gas (CO2) that may or may not raise the temperature a 1/2 degree.

Absolutely, how Alex has turned himself in to the laughing stock is actually partly his fault but
his detractors are fully guilty of lying about Alex through omission and ignoring if not hiding
his true accomplishments, and again to anyone that cares, I'm both a huge supporter or have
been of Alex, but at the same time, I have been a huge whiner regarding some of his
relevant hypocrisies, hyperboles, and unfairness, Alex has easily brought as much to
the table as Trump and of course I am still a big Trump fan despite obvious faults.
I appreciate your open mindedness, its rare in political discussions.

[shakey1]

No worries everyone. The establishment put out another candidate, and pretty much any source is spending much more time talking about him, if they talk about Gabbard at all. He even got one of the coveted prime interviews on a Sunday morning propaganda show.

Julián Castro officially announces 2020 presidential bid

Any relation to FC?

[Swordsmyth]

Great point, I realize you probably don't advocate shutting them down literally,

Not by force, but they must be opposed and exposed as our #1 priority.
If they kick over the table first force may become an option though.

but today the most relevant parties and almost fair balance might be the
Republican vs Libertarian parties.

That would certainly be an improvement but Libertarian vs. Constitution Party would be even better.

However a 'no party' system would probably be even better.

I don't see how that would be possible without violate the right to organize and associate for political purposes, the best option would be to alter the system to make many parties viable as opposed to the current system where "3rd" parties are "spoilers".
An end to plurality voting and a shift to a national proportional representation system where each candidate can win multiple votes for the House would work best in my opinion. (EC votes would still be calculated in the old way as if House seats were still assigned to districts in each state)

[oyarde]

Besides being a total fake anti-war candidate, I hear she really hates the gays. She's going nowhere.

Not even top 3 in Iowa

[Swordsmyth]

Any relation to FC?

Ideologically if not genealogically.

[oyarde]

I doubt Kucinich would have voted against repealing the 2001 AUMF, voted to provide military assistance to the Ukraine, or for arming AlQaeda in Syria. Quite simply, she is no Kucinich.

Yep , Denny is an honest ( mostly )gun grabbing commie against foreign spending . She will never be honest.

[Stratovarious]

...
That would certainly be an improvement but Libertarian vs. Constitution Party would be even better.

...

I'll be back in a couple hrs, but I agree, though I pretty much think of them being
fairly synonymous , not that they are (I'm not really studied on that point)
but I feel like I'm both constitutionalist and libertarian, well a little bit of
conservative but not heavily weighted with it.

[DamianTV]

I appreciate Infowars more than I let on in these posts. However, Alex is considered a benchmark for wackos in certain circles. I noted that the shills on the forum who disparage any article from from Infowars, let stand my claim that CNN and MSNBC are far worse.

Even the "Gay Frogs" memes vs global warming... A chemical in our water supply that has been scientifically proven in the lab to alter tthe anatomy and physiology of an animal is far more dangerous than emitting a natural gas (CO2) that may or may not raise the temperature a 1/2 degree.

I need to spread some Rep around first...

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.twitter.com/Lukewearecha...19905116229632

Has Gabbard ever been on any InfoWars shows?

And here’s my point. Gabbard is fairly open about her anti-war stance. That would not be a reason for her to avoid certain media outlets or persons. Thus it would be things other than anti-war politics that might be too controversial for her to touch. As unfairly as it has been, Ron has been smeared with holding positions which he does not, or some form of guilt by association, even when there is no real connection at all, like someone deemed objectionable by the MSM is claimed to support Ron. (I.e. Hitler sent a donation to Ron, therefore he is a Nazi).

As the media is already smearing Gabbard in this way (aka they have already said that “members of the alt-right like her”), she may have a reason to avoid such interactions.

Considering how the deep state (FBI) has treated Trump, should a candidate take a telephone call from anyone?

[Anti Globalist]

If Gabbard was smart on 50% of the issues and wasn't a member of the CFR, I'd probably vote for her.

[Todd]

When I'm wrong I'm wrong and I admit that some of this information on Gabbard is disturbing as I have liked alot of what she says over the years regarding this topic of Intervention. but, CFR and bad voting record on intervention, plus avoiding the organizations devoted to non-intervention is a red star cluster and should be considered. I'll give credit to @Swordsmyth for pointing this out.

[Sammy]

I agree with Tulsi on Foreign Policy..But she is horrible on domestic issues...

[oyarde]

I was thinking that so far Tulsi Gabbard would be the least likely to move the republican platform away from a more hawkish foreign policy.

That has been my thinking all along .

[oyarde]

When I'm wrong I'm wrong and I admit that some of this information on Gabbard is disturbing as I have liked alot of what she says over the years regarding this topic of Intervention. but, CFR and bad voting record on intervention, plus avoiding the organizations devoted to non-intervention is a red star cluster and should be considered. I'll give credit to @Swordsmyth for pointing this out.

Yes , she is the most modern classic example of say one thing do another .

[oyarde]

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand announces 2020 run . Hopefully all the senate dems will run and no longer vote .