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    'We Want To Keep The Oil'



    “Well you may throw your rock and hide your hand,
    workin’ in the dark against your fellow man.
    But as sure as God made black and white
    what’s down in the dark will be brought to the light.”
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    The Grayzone has an excellent new article out titled “US troops are staying in Syria to ‘keep the oil’ – and have already killed hundreds over it” detailing the many ways the Trump administration has openly admitted that it is keeping US troops in Syria to control the nation’s oil fields so that the Syrian government can’t use it to fund reconstruction efforts.

    “We’ve secured the oil, and therefore a small number of US troops will remain in the area where they have the oil,” Trump said in a recent press conference. “And we’re going to be protecting it. And we’ll be deciding what we’re going to do with it in the future.”

    “We want to keep the oil,” Trump said in a cabinet meeting a few days earlier. “Maybe we’ll have one of our big oil companies to go in and do it properly.”

    “A purpose of those [US] forces, working with the SDF, is to deny access to those oil fields by ISIS and others who may benefit from revenues that could be earned,” said Defense Secretary Mark Esper. As Grayzone‘s Ben Norton accurately explains, “and others” necessarily means the Syrian government; preventing Assad from accessing Syrian oil is standing US military policy.

    And that of course is the real reason US armed forces constantly remain in Syria despite all the empty babble about ending wars and bringing home the troops: it’s about control over a nation in a key geostrategic location which refuses to be absorbed into the blob of the US-centralized empire. Controlling its material wealth is an ideal way to do this.

    Whenever I write about oil as a primary motive for US imperialism, I always get a bunch of right-wingers objecting that that makes no sense because the US has plenty of oil, and that it’s really about freedom and democracy or communism or Zionism or pedovore cults or Illuminati or whatever. What they miss, in their squirming attempts to avoid cognitive dissonance, is that it’s not about having and consuming oil, it’s about controlling oil. Control what governments can and cannot access crucial resources, and you can control which governments thrive and which ones don’t.

    As Trump said, “We’ll be deciding what we’re going to do with it in the future.” In no other international power dynamic would this be considered a rational thing for anyone to say. The idea of another nation invading Texas and seizing control of its oil fields and then Xi Jinping or whomever saying “We’re controlling their oil and we’ll be deciding what we’re going to do with it in the future” is unthinkable, but a US president can just come right out and say this about a weaker nation and it won’t even be front-page news.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Donald Trump is the most honest US president of all time. By that I don’t mean that he’s an honest person; he of course lies constantly. I simply mean that while his predecessors have always made sure to dress their imperialist military campaigns up as benevolent humanitarian intercessions, Trump just stands there out in the open like “Yeah we grabbed their oil and it’s ours now, blow me.” There was once a time when claiming a war was really about oil got you branded a conspiracy theorist. Now the US president just outright says it.

    continued.. http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...-keep-the-oil/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Trump just stands there out in the open like “Yeah we grabbed their oil and it’s ours now, blow me.”
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    Sounds promissing. So our troops will be home for Christmas, right?
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    so that the Syrian government can’t use it to fund reconstruction efforts.
    Where has Trump said that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Sounds promissing. So our troops will be home for Christmas, right?
    It won't be long before they all leave now:


    The SDF are ready to discuss the idea of joining the Syrian military once a political solution is reached in the war-torn country, a spokesman for the Kurdish-led group, Mustafa Bali, told Russian media. Bali claimed that “all parties must recognize that there is a political crisis that needs to be resolved by political means”. This kind of statements is quite different from the language of ultimatums, which the SDF used when US troops were present in northern Syria. This change indicates that a political solution is in fact can be reached.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...northern-syria
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    Our postiton & actions in Syria have been pure evil. Hard to turn that around

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    Spray tan is petroleum based?

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    Well what the $#@! is he supposed to do??

    He actually is giving the oil to Syria..

    The American president just gifted 2.5 billion barrels of oil to long-time Syrian enemy Bashar Al-Assad and, by default, Iran and Russia.


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump...230000720.html


    So he can't give it to Syria, or he is giving to to Assad - aka Iran and Russia.

    He doesn't want to give it to ISIS. The deep state wants ISIS to have it. They love to enrich the military industrial complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well what the $#@! is he supposed to do??

    He actually is giving the oil to Syria..



    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump...230000720.html


    So he can't give it to Syria, or he is giving to to Assad - aka Iran and Russia.

    He doesn't want to give it to ISIS. The deep state wants ISIS to have it. They love to enrich the military industrial complex.
    Over on an oil industry site I lurk at that exact problem was discussed.
    They suggested that he should either contaminate the wells with radioactive waste or bring in an oilfield service company to plug them and then leave.
    I don't think anyone here would like either of those options.
    He is very close to being impeached and the warmongers are threatening to jump on the impeachment bandwagon so he has to not give them any excuses or we will get Pence or Pelosi and multiple new wars.
    It isn't possible for us to stay very long and Assad will take control of the oil as soon as the Kurds finish cutting a political deal with him but Trump can say he made sure ISIS didn't take over the oilfields again.
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    Well we certainly don't want ISIS to get their hands on that oil.
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    Trump's giving Lindsay Graham a major shout-out right now for being so virtuously greedy for Syrian oil.
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    One wonders..Are we thieves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    One wonders..Are we thieves?
    According to Trump, yes. But it's OK because we're taking the oil from people who stole it from the Kurds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    One wonders..Are we thieves?
    "We" are not.

    I'll have no part in their dealings!

    Make no mistake, this government does not represent me and mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    According to Trump, yes. But it's OK because we're taking the oil from people who stole it from the Kurds.
    It was actually stolen from the Syrian govt. Now being gifted to the Kurds, but don't tell it to SS. He would accuse you of spreading fake news

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    Who do you think trump should give the oil previously owned by syrian govt to ? I think he is being more honest than most deserve .
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    It was actually stolen from the Syrian govt. Now being gifted to the Kurds, but don't tell it to SS. He would accuse you of spreading fake news
    Like any self-declared Robin Hood, the U.S. is taking a cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump's giving Lindsay Graham a major shout-out right now for being so virtuously greedy for Syrian oil.
    He also called Lindsey and extreme HAWK. That is his way of swiping him with a left-handed remark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    He also called Lindsey and extreme HAWK. That is his way of swiping him with a left-handed remark.
    Uh huh. While his right hand makes Graham "...extremely happy this morning."
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    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Donald Trump is the most honest US president of all time. By that I don’t mean that he’s an honest person; he of course lies constantly. I simply mean that while his predecessors have always made sure to dress their imperialist military campaigns up as benevolent humanitarian intercessions, Trump just stands there out in the open like “Yeah we grabbed their oil and it’s ours now, blow me.” There was once a time when claiming a war was really about oil got you branded a conspiracy theorist. Now the US president just outright says it.


    ^^^ THIS ^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    According to Trump, yes. But it's OK because we're taking the oil from people who stole it from the Kurds.
    He didn't start the war. President Trump said it is guarded for Syrian and the Kurds so that they can repay us back for the Trillions lost to our nation.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    I'd bet Syria Gov eventually gets their oil back in some sort of deal making with Trump

    Trump said as much in presser

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Uh huh. While his right hand makes Graham "...extremely happy this morning."
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    He didn't start the war. President Trump said it is guarded for Syrian and the Kurds so that they can repay us back for the Trillions lost to our nation.
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    So Iran shoots down a drone and we steal Syrian oil.

    Reminds me of Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So Iran shoots down a drone and we steal Syrian oil.

    Reminds me of Iraq.
    Again he didn't start this sand pit. Everytime he wants our troops out, it's HAWKS like Graham that show their true colors. Their plan have cost us in precious lives and money. Lindsey and the like don't care about any of that, they care about lining their pockets with defense contracts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    He didn't start the war. President Trump said it is guarded for Syrian and the Kurds so that they can repay us back for the Trillions lost to our nation.
    I'm confused, why do they owe us trillions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well what the $#@! is he supposed to do??

    He actually is giving the oil to Syria..



    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump...230000720.html


    So he can't give it to Syria, or he is giving to to Assad - aka Iran and Russia.

    He doesn't want to give it to ISIS. The deep state wants ISIS to have it. They love to enrich the military industrial complex.
    This is the beginning of the establishment of a Kurdish State of Kurdistan. We are securing a means of economic production for them once they get organized enough.

    Nation building from the ground up.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I'm confused, why do they owe us trillions?
    Are you thinking of that dozen nations as a dozen nations? Clearly "they" are all part of one big "sand pit".

    Except Israel, of course.

    Dubya found that attitude handy. A bunch of Saudis hijack some planes? Attack Iraq! Close enough for government work, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well what the $#@! is he supposed to do??

    He actually is giving the oil to Syria..



    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump...230000720.html


    So he can't give it to Syria, or he is giving to to Assad - aka Iran and Russia.

    He doesn't want to give it to ISIS. The deep state wants ISIS to have it. They love to enrich the military industrial complex.
    LOL. The "deep state" was fine with the Kurds having it. And I'm surprised that anybody is surprised by Trump saying "And we’ll be deciding what we’re going to do with it in the future." From Trump's own mouth he said that the reason he (supposedly) turned against the Iraq war was when he found out we wouldn't be keeping the oil. So if Trump doesn't try to keep the oil that would be a flip flop.

    That said, the leader of ISIS is dead. I support Trump's statement that he's bringing the troops home. That's better than the jackasses in the democratic party (with the exception of Tulsi Gabbard and now Elizabeth Warren) who demand that we stay in Syria indefinitely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    It was actually stolen from the Syrian govt. Now being gifted to the Kurds, but don't tell it to SS. He would accuse you of spreading fake news
    If you think the Kurds are going to get to keep it now that Trump is making them cut a deal with Assad you are spreading fake news.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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