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    Trump has not built a single mile of new border fence after 30 months in office

    The Trump administration has not installed a single mile of new wall in a previously fenceless part of the U.S.-Mexico border in the 30 months since President Trump assumed office, despite his campaign promise to construct a “big beautiful wall.”

    In a statement last week, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the federal agency overseeing border barrier construction, confirmed that all the fencing completed since Trump took office is "in place of dilapidated designs" because the existing fence was in need of replacement.

    The agency said that it had built 51 miles of steel bollard fence with funding that was set aside during fiscal 2017 and 2018. But while the funding was meant both to replace outdated walls and to place barriers where there previously had been none, the government has only completed the replacement projects. The projects to secure areas with no fence are still in the works.

    The 50 miles of completed replacement barrier is a 10-mile gain since early April. In Trump’s two and a half years in office, his administration has installed an average 1.7 miles of barrier per month, and none of it in areas that did not previously have some sort of barrier.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...nths-in-office
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    That's not true.

    “To this date, CBP has completed the construction of approximately 99 percent of the 40 miles funded in fiscal year 2017. Additionally, construction of 35 gates to close gaps in current border infrastructure in the Rio Grande Valley sector continues,” the Department of Homeland Security agency said in a statement.
    Meanwhile, the administration maintains that significant portions of new wall will be finished in the time remaining in Trump's term.Army Corps Commanding Gen. Todd T. Semonite said earlier this spring the Corps will put up 450 miles of wall by November 2020.
    They are also misleading you by equating all "barriers":

    The other 300 miles of barrier is Normandy style, or a handful of steel beams fastened together to prevent vehicular traffic from getting by. However, the four-foot-tall fence does not prevent people from crossing.
    If the old "barriers" are insufficient then replacing them is just as good as new wall.
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    About 50 miles of brand new wall has been completed by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) along the United States’ southwest border, with more expected to be constructed, according to acting Commissioner Mark Morgan.
    “Fifty miles of new border wall on the Southwest border and construction continues every day,” Morgan announced in a July 10 Twitter post. “Construction is underway for more than 50 additional miles and more contract awards are anticipated by the end of the year.”
    Accompanying Morgan’s Twitter post were a few photos, some showing the construction process—others depicting the finished product. It didn’t say exactly where the new wall was being built.


    Acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan said last month that each week, about two miles of additional border wall are being built.
    “[It’s] coming along aggressively,” McAleenan told Trump during a meeting at the White House on June 12. “By the end of next year, over 400 miles [will be built].”

    More at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/cbp-co...y_2998480.html
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    $#@! the deep state

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    $#@! the wall.

    Send Marines.

    If these were sane times, every able bodied man with a rifle would already be there.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    So who;s lying? the journalists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    About 50 miles of brand new wall has been completed by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) along the United States’ southwest border, with more expected to be constructed, according to acting Commissioner Mark Morgan.
    “Fifty miles of new border wall on the Southwest border and construction continues every day,” Morgan announced in a July 10 Twitter post. “Construction is underway for more than 50 additional miles and more contract awards are anticipated by the end of the year.”
    Accompanying Morgan’s Twitter post were a few photos, some showing the construction process—others depicting the finished product. It didn’t say exactly where the new wall was being built.


    Acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan said last month that each week, about two miles of additional border wall are being built.
    “[It’s] coming along aggressively,” McAleenan told Trump during a meeting at the White House on June 12. “By the end of next year, over 400 miles [will be built].”

    More at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/cbp-co...y_2998480.html
    Oddly enough, he doesn't say exactly where this "new border wall" was built. No way to verify the claim. Trump has been calling replacement wall "new" wall. They show pictures of wall along Tijuana which has had wall for decades.

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    If this is confirmed by independent press, another $25 B spending saving has already taken place during 1st term for which MAGA is not being given credit in falenews media:




    Trump has not built a single mile of new border fence after 30 months in office



    Media can't have it both ways, first called MAGA's promised Wall too expensive but later did not give him credit for cutting that expense.






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    Since he frequently contradicts himself his statements can't be trusted at all, you have to watch his actions to even guess about his positions or plans.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's not true.
    Isn't it? Got proof?

    “To this date, CBP has completed the construction of approximately 99 percent of the 40 miles funded in fiscal year 2017. Additionally, construction of 35 gates to close gaps in current border infrastructure in the Rio Grande Valley sector continues,” the Department of Homeland Security agency said in a statement.
    He mentioned that. It's all replacement. What do you think "...close[ing] gaps in current infrastructure..." means?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are also misleading you by equating all "barriers":
    You are misleading us by equating new replacement fence with fence in a virgin location. The question is, are you doing it because you think we're stupid? Or are you doing it because you're stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Isn't it? Got proof?



    He mentioned that. It's all replacement. What do you think "...close[ing] gaps in current infrastructure..." means?



    You are misleading us by equating new replacement fence with fence in a virgin location. The question is, are you doing it because you think we're stupid? Or are you doing it because you're stupid?
    Tell me if the following vehicle barrier is a wall?


    No this is clearly not a wall, there are hundreds of miles of this on the border. Replacing this not a wall vehicle barrier with 30ft bollard steel barrier is new wall, it is wall where wall did not exist prior, the OP article is a lie. Call it replacement barrier if you want but it is still new wall. Replacement and new are not mutually exclusive.
    Last edited by spudea; 07-21-2019 at 05:35 PM.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Tell me if the following vehicle barrier is a wall?


    No this is clearly not a wall, there are hundreds of miles of this on the border. Replacing this not a wall vehicle barrier with 30ft bollard steel barrier is new wall, it is wall where wall did not exist prior, the OP article is a lie. Call it replacement barrier if you want but it is still new wall. Replacement and new are not mutually exclusive.
    I love how all the people who oppose the wall want to be able to criticize Trump for not building it and are willing to lie to do so.
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    Last I heard open border Socialists wouldn't fund it..so...what do you expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's not true.

    They are also misleading you by equating all "barriers":

    If the old "barriers" are insufficient then replacing them is just as good as new wall.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    About 50 miles of brand new wall has been completed by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) along the United States’ southwest border, with more expected to be constructed, according to acting Commissioner Mark Morgan.
    “Fifty miles of new border wall on the Southwest border and construction continues every day,” Morgan announced in a July 10 Twitter post. “Construction is underway for more than 50 additional miles and more contract awards are anticipated by the end of the year.”
    Accompanying Morgan’s Twitter post were a few photos, some showing the construction process—others depicting the finished product. It didn’t say exactly where the new wall was being built.


    Acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan said last month that each week, about two miles of additional border wall are being built.
    “[It’s] coming along aggressively,” McAleenan told Trump during a meeting at the White House on June 12. “By the end of next year, over 400 miles [will be built].”

    More at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/cbp-co...y_2998480.html
    Your weekly PSA to combat the same lies being told by the fake news media. I am out of rep. otherwise +1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    $#@! the wall.

    Send Marines.

    If these were sane times, every able bodied man with a rifle would already be there.
    Agreed. With license to to tell invaders "Go the $#@! on back or get shot."

    But this is an age of mechanicals. Easy enough to place sensors, have thermal imaging satellites, or any number of things to detect illegal crossing...before it happens.
    Just load all that info up. Have unmanned drones stationed within 5 miles of each other. Let a 'gamer' log on and lay down some roman Candles...BEFORE they get here.

    Hell, I'd pay for the chance to get a phone app telling me there were intruders in my area. Log in and blaze away.

    It'd be better if it were outfitted with tear gas paintballs, IMHO. But, the concept is solid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Trump has not built a single mile of new border fence after 30 months in office

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...nths-in-office
    Great news! How much money did we save?
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    Since trump is not building miles of NEW border fence are the leftists going to vote for him ?
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    Great, why are you biching about it ?

    Where has this OPEN BORDER policy of yours worked in 2019?

    Nowhere , oh yea, fuuching right looser, it doesn't work....


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    Count Van George Zippy Soros

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I love how all the people who oppose the wall want to be able to criticize Trump for not building it and are willing to lie to do so.
    You'd think they'd be happier people lol 😂
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    If nothing has been built, why is the left still shrieking about it? Why aren’t they claiming the win?
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    Media spreading numbers news again , not confirmed as non-fakenews yet:



    Some in social media had been using music to paint MAGA believers as gullible and un-informed, that's a troubling trend and could acclerate further by 2020 to damage MAGA credibility if left unchecked:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQ_2RxRGeE



    Then there are pesky purist right-wing conservatives at Brietbart (Ann Coulters, Steve Bannons et al) and others who have been using terms like s-word to erode MAGA's credibility since last year and damaging his image as a trustworthy leader. Sad.

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    Coulter on Trump: "Joke presidency who scammed the American people"
    According to the Daily Beast, Coulter additionally noted that this current decision of Trump’s to back away from a shutdown over the border wall could permanently dismantle his legacy.“Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever.”

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    The RGV-003 segments (East of McAllen) , are in fact already building (as well as RGV-002 segments West of McAllen. Here is some video from there on July 5th, with bollards already standing, on the East side of McAllen in Hidalgo :




    This is new wall, where no barrier existed before. It is being built as a massive FEMA hurricane rated flood levee for the base, with 18 foot bollards on top, high speed, all weather patrol road, and loaded with technology (cameras, sensors, alarms). These segments are closing gaps (often miles wide) between Bush-era segments, to form longer continuous runs.
    Here you can see (in red) where some of the 33 (new) miles of 2018 funding, and 55 more (new) miles of FY 2019 funding were planned to go (all new miles, top of the line system). Some of those miles are off of this map, but it gives a good idea of how the wall is building out in segments, joining previous segments together. Congress added some restrictions in 2019, that will move about 8 of those miles around (e.g. National Butterfly Center will be left open, some place else will likely move up the priority list).
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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  29. #25
    This would be like me biching about Hillary not making a single 20 million gun round up/confiscation, sweep
    across the Nation after 30 months in office.


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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The RGV-003 segments (East of McAllen) , are in fact already building (as well as RGV-002 segments West of McAllen. Here is some video from there on July 5th, with bollards already standing, on the East side of McAllen in Hidalgo :



    This is new wall, where no barrier existed before. It is being built as a massive FEMA hurricane rated flood levee for the base, with 18 foot bollards on top, high speed, all weather patrol road, and loaded with technology (cameras, sensors, alarms). These segments are closing gaps (often miles wide) between Bush-era segments, to form longer continuous runs.
    Here you can see (in red) where some of the 33 (new) miles of 2018 funding, and 55 more (new) miles of FY 2019 funding were planned to go (all new miles, top of the line system). Some of those miles are off of this map, but it gives a good idea of how the wall is building out in segments, joining previous segments together. Congress added some restrictions in 2019, that will move about 8 of those miles around (e.g. National Butterfly Center will be left open, some place else will likely move up the priority list).
    Proposed wall. They don't even have all the land rights to build most of those sections. They are doing some prep work but so far no actual construction of wall has occurred there. There are small sections of existing wall you see in the video. It says existing wall was being made higher.

    From local news media (who would have a better idea of what is really going on)

    https://www.kveo.com/news/building-a...n-south-texas/

    Building a border wall in South Texas

    Posted: Jul 19, 2019

    PALMVIEW, Texas — Sebastian Bonilla, a 23-year-old engineering student at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley, camps, fishes and enjoys the great outdoors of Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park and its surrounding areas most every day. And he doesn’t want President Donald Trump to build a border wall through his outdoor playground.

    “The wall, we don’ need it. We never did. I know it’s really controversial but I’ve been here all my life and we never needed it. So why do we need it now?” Bonilla asked Thursday, as he hiked through caliche rock in near-100 degree heat atop a levee road through this pristine state park to get a glimpse of where construction crews are clearing land to build Trump’s border wall.

    “If you’re putting up a wall you have to tear down all the wildlife and environment and replace it and I don’t like that,” Bonilla said Thursday as he slipped past a no entry sign and a Border Patrol truck stationed on the levee to prevent onlookers.

    With his fishing pole in hand, Bonilla chatted about South Texas’ environmental beauty.

    He talked about a nearby 900-year-old Montezuma bald cypress tree that has been standing for nearly a millennium but would be inaccessible if current border wall construction plans hold. He chatted about his favorite fishing hole, his dreams of planting more trees in South Texas one day, and tried to catch the American Snout butterflies fluttering about.

    But after 40 minutes of walking, as he came around a bend to see a gaping area of cleared lands carved from lush forest and brush where the wall is to be built, Bonilla grew noticeably quieter and sad.

    Bonilla isn’t alone. Many folks in the Rio Grande Valley oppose expanding the wall fencing here. But with over $1 billion already appropriated by Congress to build 33 miles of additional wall fencing in South Texas, and sections of land like this already being visibly cleared, opponents fear that steel posts could begin going up very soon.

    When will the wall go up?

    Federal officials, however, have yet to retain all of the borderlands where they plan to build the wall. And there are some tracks of land that Congress has exempted, especially those containing wildlife, such Bentsen State Park, the adjacent National Butterfly Center, and Santa Ana Wildlife Refuge in Alamo. These exemptions came about after an outcry from environmentalists, community leaders and politicians, like former U.S. Rep. Beto O’Rourke, D-Texas, who is now campaigning to be the Democratic presidential candidate in 2020.

    “CBP will proceed with construction as real estate becomes available within this project area,” Customs and Border Protection wrote in a statement. “(CBP) continues to take steps to expeditiously plan, design, and construct a physical wall along the southern border, using appropriate materials and technology to most effectively achieve operational control of the southern border.”
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-22-2019 at 12:20 PM.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Proposed wall. They don't even have all the land rights to build most of those sections. They are doing some prep work but so far no actual construction of wall has occurred there. There are small sections of existing wall you see in the video. It says existing wall was being made higher.

    From local news media (who would have a better idea of what is really going on)

    https://www.kveo.com/news/building-a...n-south-texas/
    There is new wall and this is just one example, feel free to keep deluding yourself though.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Something is up, Drudge used to be anti-Clintons/Dems pro-Right Wing outlet for years but latest anti-MAGA coverage is bit surprising.
    Don't recall DR recycling same news headline from same source 2 days in a row by changing the wording in the past:
    Considering his gayness perhaps he is one of those that believes the lunatic militant gay agenda is better served by Dems.

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