Libertarian Candidates Expose Themselves as Anti-Trump Shills for Hillary Clinton

[No1butPaul]

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...llary-clinton/

Libertarian Party presidential nominee Gary Johnson and his running mate William Weld exposed themselves as shills for Democrat Hillary Clinton during an extensive primetime town hall with CNN’s Anderson Cooper.

Weld defended Hillary Clinton on her private email scandal and played attack dog on Donald Trump.

Johnson seemed sleepy, but he answered a question at length about THC amounts in marijuana and another from a young man asking about legalized prostitution. Johnson only lightly and perfunctorily criticized Clinton, instead focusing most of his low-energy attacks on Trump. He also revealed a personal gluten allergy and said that he himself would not patronize the services of prostitutes.

[dannno]

He also revealed a personal gluten allergy and said that he himself would not patronize the services of prostitutes.

Yeast doesn't have gluten in it...

[puppetmaster]

Yeast doesn't have gluten in it...

funny. Really funny.

[CPUd]

They are going after Sanders supporters.

[LibertyEagle]

The Johnson-Weld team seems to think that libertarianism is mostly about admitting as many immigrants to the United States as possible. This is a far cry from Ron Paul’s pro-borders libertarian movement of a few years ago. The libertarian movement has shifted to the progressive globalist Left.

Yup, sure has.

[fcreature]

Yup, sure has.

Totally agree with you. It's the only explanation for why so many "libertarians" around here and elsewhere support the progressive Republican nominee, Trump.

[euphemia]

Looks like I am just about done trying to convince liberty lovers not to vote for them. They are doing it for me.

[undergroundrr]

Gary Johnson doesn't need votes from "liberty lovers" of your variety. He needs them from moderate republicans and moderate democrats. He kills his campaign dead in the water if he tries to cater to dogmatic libertarians or the socon/paleo right wing.

[Natural Citizen]

Gary Johnson doesn't need votes from "liberty lovers" of your variety... He kills his campaign dead in the water if he tries to cater to dogmatic libertarians or the socon/paleo right wing.

Dogmatic libertarians? Since when are fundamental principles dogmatic?

I gotta hear this one. Do tell.

[undergroundrr]

Dogmatic libertarians? Since when are fundamental principles dogmatic?

"inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true."

Dogmatic is not a negative.

[euphemia]

He kills his campaign dead in the water if he tries to cater to dogmatic libertarians

Then why does he pretend to be a Libertarian?

[LibertyEagle]

Totally agree with you. It's the only explanation for why so many "libertarians" around here and elsewhere support the progressive Republican nominee, Trump.

Trump is not a globalist. That would be Johnson and Hillary.

[LibertyEagle]

Gary Johnson doesn't need votes from "liberty lovers" of your variety. He needs them from moderate republicans and moderate democrats. He kills his campaign dead in the water if he tries to cater to dogmatic libertarians or the socon/paleo right wing.

Uh, "moderates" are globalist traitors. You know, as in America-hating, world government loving pieces of dung.

[Natural Citizen]

"inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true."

Dogmatic is not a negative.

Well. When I read/hear the word dogmatic I understand it to mean that someone is telling me that my view is a matter of opinion that is up for contestation. 10 times out of 10, I'm likely going to ask someone to support a claim like that.

If we're looking for opinions, I'd opine that Gary Johnson and his political promoters are doing Individual Liberty a disservice. Seems like they're pissing all over it. And in its name, no less. This is the nature of coercion. It's not new. It's just happening here now is all.

I'll tell you something. Once this election is over, some friends are likely going to be held accountable by way of example in the public eye for the disservice. In fact, I'm sure of it.

[euphemia]

I guess Johnson and Weld should move to Illinois, where abortion is now the primary choice. By law.

Lockstep with Hillary and the Democrats.

[Natural Citizen]

I guess Johnson and Weld should move to Illinois, where abortion is now the primary choice. By law.

Lockstep with Hillary and the Democrats.

You were right about the libertines.

[ChaosControl]

It makes strategic sense. They are more likely to pull a lukeworm Clinton supporter if they refrain from attacking her too much. And all the non Trump supporters know he is a crazy nutjob so attacking him helps with that demographic as well and probably does no harm with those who only support him because he is not Clinton. The diehard Trump supporters, anti immigrant, nationist, alt-right types would never defect anyway so there is no point targeting them.

[undergroundrr]

Then why does he pretend to be a Libertarian?

He is a Libertarian for sure. But for bonus points, he's also a libertarian. Anybody who goes on national TV, explains the NAP and says to end the wars justifies the label for me.

He's impure, but so was Ron Paul, who voted yes to H.J. Res. 64. and routinely funneled pork into house bills. As far as I'm concerned, Ron Paul is still a libertarian.

[undergroundrr]

It makes strategic sense. They are more likely to pull a lukeworm Clinton supporter if they refrain from attacking her too much. And all the non Trump supporters know he is a crazy nutjob so attacking him helps with that demographic as well and probably does no harm with those who only support him because he is not Clinton. The diehard Trump supporters, anti immigrant, nationist, alt-right types would never defect anyway so there is no point targeting them.

Lucidly put. +rep

[euphemia]

He is a Libertarian for sure. But for bonus points, he's also a libertarian.

He's not a L/libertarian. He's not. He does not believe in personal liberty. He just wants certain liberties for himself.

[LibertyEagle]

He is a Libertarian for sure. But for bonus points, he's also a libertarian. Anybody who goes on national TV, explains the NAP and says to end the wars justifies the label for me.

He's impure, but so was Ron Paul, who voted yes to H.J. Res. 64. and routinely funneled pork into house bills. As far as I'm concerned, Ron Paul is still a libertarian.

Actually, Ron would forward the request from his constituency. Whether it made it into a bill or not, was up to a committee. Ron would always vote against the final legislation.

[LibertyEagle]

It makes strategic sense. They are more likely to pull a lukeworm Clinton supporter if they refrain from attacking her too much. And all the non Trump supporters know he is a crazy nutjob so attacking him helps with that demographic as well and probably does no harm with those who only support him because he is not Clinton. The diehard Trump supporters, anti immigrant, nationist, alt-right types would never defect anyway so there is no point targeting them.

Please stop conflating ILLEGAL ALIENS with immigrants. They are totally different things.

[francisco]

It makes strategic sense. They are more likely to pull a lukeworm Clinton supporter if they refrain from attacking her too much. And all the non Trump supporters know he is a crazy nutjob so attacking him helps with that demographic as well and probably does no harm with those who only support him because he is not Clinton. The diehard Trump supporters, anti immigrant, nationist, alt-right types would never defect anyway so there is no point targeting them.

Lucidly put. +rep

Agreed, but out of rep

[nikcers]

ITT Trump supporters try to convince libertarians to support big government authoritarians because cake.

[GunnyFreedom]

Well. When I read/hear the word dogmatic I understand it to mean that someone is telling me that my view is a matter of opinion that is up for contestation. 10 times out of 10, I'm likely going to ask someone to support a claim like that.

If we're looking for opinions, I'd opine that Gary Johnson and his political promoters are doing Individual Liberty a disservice. Seems like they're pissing all over it. And in its name, no less. This is the nature of coercion. It's not new. It's just happening here now is all.

I'll tell you something. Once this election is over, some friends are likely going to be held accountable by way of example in the public eye for the disservice. In fact, I'm sure of it.

Dogmatic means that something is a matter of dogma, or a fact so heavily established that "the science is settled." Can also be 'a matter of faith' especially in re doctrine where something is universally accepted. Originates from a religious sense of critical doctrine. Dogma often correlates with beliefs so deeply held that transgression of it is considered heresy, in either the religious or the secular sense.

In a religious sense, it is Christian dogma that Christ rose from the dead. The contradiction to that dogma, whether a claim that He didn't rise or a claim that He didn't exist, is therefore heresy.

In a secular sense, it is libertarian dogma that the exercise of liberty demands a policy of nonaggression. The contradiction to that dogma, that governments can create liberty by aggressing against persons and groups, is therefore heresy.

While it is true that some dogmatic things are subject to the most vehement contention, that is not what the term means or implies. A lot of dogmatic things are against almost no contest at all (ie the Earth is an oblate spheroid). The term in it's essence simply means whatever set of beliefs you hold as axiomatic.

[Natural Citizen]

He's impure

No. He rejects Individual Liberty's most fundamental supporting principle. By default, he is anti-liberty fully. Impure is hardly the correct term, my friend. You're being intellectually dishonest.

[GunnyFreedom]

ITT Trump supporters try to convince libertarians to support big government authoritarians because cake.

[GunnyFreedom]

What if it's not about the cake?

What if it's about the fundamental concept of “what is liberty?”

What if the failure of Johnson to promote liberty, in no way promotes authoritarians like socialist Hillary or nationalist Trump?

[Natural Citizen]

Dogmatic means that something is a matter of dogma, or a fact so heavily established that "the science is settled." Can also be 'a matter of faith' especially in re doctrine where something is universally accepted. Originates from a religious sense of critical doctrine. Dogma often correlates with beliefs so deeply held that transgression of it is considered heresy, in either the religious or the secular sense.

In a religious sense, it is Christian dogma that Christ rose from the dead. The contradiction to that dogma, whether a claim that He didn't rise or a claim that He didn't exist, is therefore heresy.

In a secular sense, it is libertarian dogma that the exercise of liberty demands a policy of nonaggression. The contradiction to that dogma, that governments can create liberty by aggressing against persons and groups, is therefore heresy.

While it is true that some dogmatic things are subject to the most vehement contention, that is not what the term means or implies. A lot of dogmatic things are against almost no contest at all (ie the Earth is an oblate spheroid). The term in it's essence simply means whatever set of beliefs you hold as axiomatic.

Yeah, I know what it means, Gunny. I'm talking about tone here. Not definitions. We have what equates to a cultural Marxist being promoted under the banner of Liberty whose position pisses all over its most fundamental supporting principal. That's absolutely contestation. In fact, it's aggression toward Individual Liberty fully. It's coercion. But yet I'm dogmatic. Like it's a bad thing. As if fundamental principles are a burden to "Liberty" all of a sudden.

[Natural Citizen]

What if it's not about the cake?

What if it's about the fundamental concept of “what is liberty?”

What if the failure of Johnson to promote liberty, in no way promotes authoritarians like socialist Hillary or nationalist Trump?

I've been through this a hundred times . They don't care. They laugh at it.