Venezuela is Burning

[Krugminator2]

Sure; another great victory for the CIA...
[/I]

I have no idea if those unemployment stats are correct for when Allende was in power. The unemployment rate in Cuba is 1% right now. It doesn't mean anything. Productivity matters. Chile had 350% inflation and starving people when Pinochet took power.

Using stats during the middle of a financial crisis is really good way to make an anti-capitalist argument look good. Curiously your article doesn't mention that GDP grew at 7% annually from the period of your stats in 1983 over the next 15 years.

Here is a better take from a Chilean who lived it.
https://atlassociety.org/commentary/...hile-was-saved

Sucks for the Venezuelan people, but I hope they realize that their country is most likely being set up by the same people who orchestrated the Chilean and Ukrainian coup. The best thing they can do is try to be steadfast and ride this out, the pressure will eventually be let up if the people refuse to give in.

Good luck to them.

So you are on the side of the Communists who were turning Chile into Cuba? Chile would be the one example where US meddling actually worked. If I were a neocon I would be bringing up Chile constantly.

[timosman]

Productivity matters.

LOL. The productivity in the US of A must be extremely high. Where is Zippy?

[juleswin]

So you are on the side of the Communists who were turning Chile into Cuba? Chile would be the one example where US meddling actually worked. If I were a neocon I would be bringing up Chile constantly.

Lets just say that when the CIA paid off the Chilean truckers to cause unrest and economic crisis in the country, I was against it. Unlike most people, I am not against interventionism because it doesn't work. I am against it because it tries to dictate to people how best to organize their lives sorta like communism. If a group of people decided that they want communism, why is it any of my business?

If you cannot convince them with out using the gun and sabotage, then you need to try harder. Once you start meddling, using coup and assassinations that is when you lose me. The ends doesn't justify the means in this case.

[Danke]

I have no idea if those unemployment stats are correct for when Allende was in power. The unemployment rate in Cuba is 1% right now. It doesn't mean anything. Productivity matters. Chile had 350% inflation and starving people when Pinochet took power.

Using stats during the middle of a financial crisis is really good way to make an anti-capitalist argument look good. Curiously your article doesn't mention that GDP grew at 7% annually from the period of your stats in 1983 over the next 15 years.

Here is a better take from a Chilean who lived it.
https://atlassociety.org/commentary/...hile-was-saved



So you are on the side of the Communists who were turning Chile into Cuba? Chile would be the one example where US meddling actually worked. If I were a neocon I would be bringing up Chile constantly.

And his opponents got free helicopter rides to boot.

[Danke]

Lets just say that when the CIA paid off the Chilean truckers to cause unrest and economic crisis in the country, I was against it. Unlike most people, I am not against interventionism because it doesn't work. I am against it because it tries to dictate to people how best to organize their lives sorta like communism. If a group of people decided that they want communism, why is it any of my business?

If you cannot convince them with out using the gun and sabotage, then you need to try harder. Once you start meddling, using coup and assassinations that is when you lose me. The ends doesn't justify the means in this case.

"when the economy is in private hands, the private owners can paralyze the economy."


WTH?

Ya, no competitor will fill the void...

[Krugminator2]

Lets just say that when the CIA paid off the Chilean truckers to cause unrest and economic crisis in the country, I was against it. Unlike most people, I am not against interventionism because it doesn't work. I am against it because it tries to dictate to people how best to organize their lives sorta like communism. If a group of people decided that they want communism, why is it any of my business?

If you cannot convince them with out using the gun and sabotage, then you need to try harder. Once you start meddling, using coup and assassinations that is when you lose me. The ends doesn't justify the means in this case.

I am not being closed minded but I have heard most of the anti-Pinochet arguments so I am not going to watch that Youtube. I suspect I won't learn enough from a guy who calls himself DemocraticSocialist01 to sway my view.

I am not saying Pinochet wasn't brutal. And I am not saying I think he is even a good guy but my feeling about his methods probably could be summed up in this shorter Youtube.

[oyarde]

The economic hitmen are going to reap huge profits from Venezuela once the smoke clears and the blood is washed from the streets.

Be a good time to put in a good brewery .

[Danke]

Be a good time to put in a good brewery .

Or a casino. You people are good at that.

[oyarde]

Or a casino. You people are good at that.

Yeah , I dunno if that would be a good place for the house or not. Those people might expect to win something . In norte america white people are conditioned to go to the casino and lose money already . Give them a cheap drink and some nice looking ladies to eyeball and they feel like winners as they go home to three tv's , two car payments , boxed mac n cheese and empty pockets .

[timosman]

Yeah , I dunno if that would be a good place for the house or not. Those people might expect to win something . In norte america white people are conditioned to go to the casino and lose money already . Give them a cheap drink and some nice looking ladies to eyeball and they feel like winners as they go home to three tv's , two car payments , boxed mac n cheese and empty pockets .

Livin' la Vida Loca

[Danke]

Yeah , I dunno if that would be a good place for the house or not. Those people might expect to win something . In norte america white people are conditioned to go to the casino and lose money already . Give them a cheap drink and some nice looking ladies to eyeball and they feel like winners as they go home to three tv's , two car payments , boxed mac n cheese and empty pockets .

Plus you'd get stiff competition from other native natural thieves

[juleswin]

"when the economy is in private hands, the private owners can paralyze the economy."


WTH?

Ya, no competitor will fill the void...

Call me a crazy person but if you are one of those countries where the US is always trying to take over. It is totally in the country's best interest to hold onto certain resources vital to the country's survival. Things like the state bank, natural resources, rail lines, docks and in Chiles case, trucking industry.

I sometimes think it is the thread from the US that actually makes these countries more socialist. I when I am talking about the US, I am talking about the real people that run this country. The people who are hell bent on world domination

[oyarde]

Plus you'd get stiff competition from other native natural thieves

Not many of them left , no real competition with a great mind like mine . Before the dirty spanairds brought disease , maybe 1 million , now maybe 300k . Maybe 1 1/2 percent of the total population . Those remaining are mostly in the Andes , along the Columbian border and the Amazon .

[oyarde]

That place is littered with place names of Indians who died fighting the evil Spanish .

[Firestarter]

Using stats during the middle of a financial crisis is really good way to make an anti-capitalist argument look good. Curiously your article doesn't mention that GDP grew at 7% annually from the period of your stats in 1983 over the next 15 years.

Using GDP to measure the performance for a country often gives the wrong impression.
The World Bank often uses the GDP to measure the performance of a country. This means (when the World Bank and IMF are destroying countries) that the rich companies (of the rich foreign investors) get for example 25% more from the government while the people (lower and middle class) are made poorer and poorer...

I do not even disagree that I'm anti-capitalist, but I'm also anti-socialist, and anti-liberal.
I'm against politrics that's why...
The statistics that I gave are from the following book (which I think is a good read).

Greg Palast’s The Best democracy money can buy (2002): http://www.chemtrails911.com/books/T...0Palast%20.pdf

[jllundqu]

Yeah , I dunno if that would be a good place for the house or not. Those people might expect to win something . In norte america white people are conditioned to go to the casino and lose money already . Give them a cheap drink and some nice looking ladies to eyeball and they feel like winners as they go home to three tv's , two car payments , boxed mac n cheese and empty pockets .

That is sig line worthy. +rep

[AZJoe]

Socialism, it can't feed its subjects, but it can provide water cannons for them:

[osan]

I am of a mixed mind on such matters.

On the one hand, one is moved to feel sorry for people in such straits. On the other hand, are they not ultimately responsible for their situations?

It's the human habit to find any excuse, no matter how ridiculous, for not taking proper action. In this, people are almost universally full of $#@!. I am afraid that I am fresh out of respect for the shabby dullard that is the average man. He is the willful architect of his own bondage and eventual doom. How can one feel sorry for such creatures? Perhaps I'm just a heartless jerk, but I do not think I would shed a tear for them, no matter how horrible their situations. My charity toward people who choose stupidity is gone.