Our Founders were Anarchists.

[A Son of Liberty]

Oh, good... HVACTech is creating threads in the political philosophy subforum. This place has been lacking finger-paint pieces for the refrigerator, lately.

[HVACTech]

my point has now officially been made. @RonPaulForums.com.

it is simply NOT possible to talk about our founders or our founding documents... PERIOD!!!!

even if you compare them to Anarchists! LOL!

I submit for candid review. that if Ron Paul himself were truly the "Champion of the Constitution"
it would be possible to discuss matters pertaining to the Constitution in a civil manner.

as this is CLEARLY not the case @RonPaulForums.com.
Ron Paul himself. is and was a hard core ANARCHIST.

and I am OK with that. HARD CORE anarchists are only separated by degrees, from minarchists after all.
but this does make Ron Paul himself a liar.
He is no "Champion" of the "Constitution"
like most politicians.... it was just a tool for him to use to try and gain power.

I get it.

[HVACTech]

The point is that it's incorrect to say that the founders were anarchists, given that they were in favor of maintaining strong governments at the State level. Perhaps you forgot the following part of the Declaration of Independence:

I humbly bow to your keen powers of observation sir.
even the Declaration of independence is critically flawed.

our founders were statists! statists I tell you!
critically flawed and irredeemable.

[HVACTech]

to find some value to remain here... perhaps what I can still learn from this group...

what is a proper "state of anarchy" or, is it not possible for a proper state of anarchy to exist...
because anarchy cannot be a "state"

everyone geared up for the Antifa rallies tomorrow?
it is gonna be a great day for Anarchy fellas! this is your chance to teach those statists a lesson that they will remember!
Ye HA!

[oyarde]

my point has now officially been made. @RonPaulForums.com.

it is simply NOT possible to talk about our founders or our founding documents... PERIOD!!!!

even if you compare them to Anarchists! LOL!

I submit for candid review. that if Ron Paul himself were truly the "Champion of the Constitution"
it would be possible to discuss matters pertaining to the Constitution in a civil manner.

as this is CLEARLY not the case @RonPaulForums.com.
Ron Paul himself. is and was a hard core ANARCHIST.

and I am OK with that. HARD CORE anarchists are only separated by degrees, from minarchists after all.
but this does make Ron Paul himself a liar.
He is no "Champion" of the "Constitution"
like most politicians.... it was just a tool for him to use to try and gain power.

I get it.

Ron Paul is a lot better than any of the founders for many obvious reasons. But , yeah , I could live with the constitution , but it will not be followed .

[oyarde]

to find some value to remain here... perhaps what I can still learn from this group...

what is a proper "state of anarchy" or, is it not possible for a proper state of anarchy to exist...
because anarchy cannot be a "state"

everyone geared up for the Antifa rallies tomorrow?
it is gonna be a great day for Anarchy fellas! this is your chance to teach those statists a lesson that they will remember!
Ye HA!

There will be no ANTIFA rallies here on my properties .

[HVACTech]

There will be no ANTIFA rallies here on my properties .

they are. hard core anarchists you know that right? why would you not join with them...
oh, wait. i GET IT... if HARD core anarchists join together... they become a state?

[Swordsmyth]

my point has now officially been made. @RonPaulForums.com. it is simply NOT possible to talk about our founders or our founding documents... PERIOD!!!! even if you compare them to Anarchists! LOL! I submit for candid review. that if Ron Paul himself were truly the "Champion of the Constitution" it would be possible to discuss matters pertaining to the Constitution in a civil manner. as this is CLEARLY not the case @RonPaulForums.com. Ron Paul himself. is and was a hard core ANARCHIST. and I am OK with that. HARD CORE anarchists are only separated by degrees, from minarchists after all. but this does make Ron Paul himself a liar. He is no "Champion" of the "Constitution" like most politicians.... it was just a tool for him to use to try and gain power. I get it.

The anarchists are vocal but they are not the majority even here.

[oyarde]

they are. hard core anarchists you know that right? why would you not join with them...
oh, wait. i GET IT... if HARD core anarchists join together... they become a state?

No , I do not know what they are as I know none . None is also how many will be invited here .

[HVACTech]

The anarchists are vocal but they are not the majority even here.

anarchists are never the majority. it is against their creed.

tomorrow is a big day for you dude!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/03...-saturday.html

[Swordsmyth]

tomorrow is a big day for you dude! http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/03...-saturday.html

Why would it be a big day for me? I don't expect much to happen, and I won't be anywhere near it if it does.

[Superfluous Man]

Ron Paul is a lot better than any of the founders for many obvious reasons. But , yeah , I could live with the constitution , but it will not be followed .

A lot of statist Ron Paul supporters misrepresent him.

I agree that a federal government that only exercises the powers enumerated in the Constitution is better than one that exercises all those plus countless others.

Ron Paul championed the Constitution inasmuch as he called out the political status quo of doing the latter and insisted that when politicians take oaths promising not to support the exercise of powers outside those enumerated in the Constitution they ought to keep those oaths.

But this shouldn't be confused with positive support for the Constitution itself as the ideal. Paul unabashedly supported amending it to further limit the federal government's powers. And he certainly didn't think the so-called "founders" got everything right in the Constitution they wrote and ratified. I highly doubt that he thinks the initial displacement of the Articles of Confederation by the Constitution was a net positive.

[A Son of Liberty]

Ron was the original pragmatist - he presented himself to the general public as a reasonable, practical constitutionalist politician; Hey, this is what the governing document of this body says we can do, let's only do that. It happens that the Constitution was a decent document for limiting the scope of a national state. Since RP has been a national figure, however, the national state hasn't been limited in any way, shape, or form. So it was a decent piece of high ground from which he could snipe. In the course of doing so, he brought many of us here.

Much of what Ron has written and said indicates that he believes in a much, MUCH more limited state than what the CONstitution lays out. Now that he's a private citizen, we're seeing more of that.

[HVACTech]

Ron was the original pragmatist - he presented himself to the general public as a reasonable, practical constitutionalist politician; Hey, this is what the governing document of this body says we can do, let's only do that. It happens that the Constitution was a decent document for limiting the scope of a national state. Since RP has been a national figure, however, the national state hasn't been limited in any way, shape, or form. So it was a decent piece of high ground from which he could snipe. In the course of doing so, he brought many of us here.

Much of what Ron has written and said indicates that he believes in a much, MUCH more limited state than what the CONstitution lays out. Now that he's a private citizen, we're seeing more of that.

I thank you for your clear elucidation.

Ron Paul was CLEARLY using our CONstitution as a vehicle. as MANY politicians are wont to do. sir.
it was just a means to an end for him. he got what he wanted. and he is continuing to spew his obfuscation.


it is NOT very easy to limit a state you know... it is MUCH easier.. to try and make them go away..
and make excuses for why they should not exist in the first place.

and within this context, Ron Paul is, was and remains a coward.

[kcchiefs6465]

I thank you for your clear elucidation.

Ron Paul was CLEARLY using our CONstitution as a vehicle. as MANY politicians are wont to do. sir.
it was just a means to an end for him. he got what he wanted. and he is continuing to spew his obfuscation.


it is NOT very easy to limit a state you know... it is MUCH easier.. to try and make them go away..
and make excuses for why they should not exist in the first place.

and within this context, Ron Paul is, was and remains a coward.

Lol.

[Anti Federalist]

I thank you for your clear elucidation.

Ron Paul was CLEARLY using our CONstitution as a vehicle. as MANY politicians are wont to do. sir.
it was just a means to an end for him. he got what he wanted. and he is continuing to spew his obfuscation.

it is NOT very easy to limit a state you know... it is MUCH easier.. to try and make them go away..
and make excuses for why they should not exist in the first place.

and within this context, Ron Paul is, was and remains a coward.

Oh shaddup, whydontcha?

[Anti Federalist]

I thank you for your clear elucidation.

Ron Paul was CLEARLY using our CONstitution as a vehicle. as MANY politicians are wont to do. sir.
it was just a means to an end for him. he got what he wanted. and he is continuing to spew his obfuscation.

it is NOT very easy to limit a state you know... it is MUCH easier.. to try and make them go away..
and make excuses for why they should not exist in the first place.

and within this context, Ron Paul is, was and remains a coward.

Oh shaddup, whydontcha?

[HVACTech]

Oh shaddup, whydontcha?