Sorry, which Trump attorney won their lawsuit based on legally admissible evidence of election fraud? I'm not aware of any.Originally Posted by pcosmar
Do I personally think both sides were up to no good in this election and most others? Sure. But I have seen nothing legally provable.
Last edited by KEEF; 11-27-2020 at 03:31 PM.
Going to the Supreme Court... pushing past the lower courts quickly,,
Supreme Court or Electoral College ..
Will the Media even report if the EC votes Trump as President?
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That's not true. PA already certified the presidential race prior to that judge's order.
By irregularities I believe you mean mistakes. People are fallible. Any human endeavor on the magnitude of a national election in a nation of three hundred million people is going to be full of human errors. However, attempting to extrapolate a national conspiracy of millions of votes from minor errors totaling thousands of votes is simply delusional.
Define huge margin. It's larger than the margin of Trump's victory over Hillary in 2016; should that election also be invalidated?
Any ballots which did not meet election standards should be discarded. However, the idea that all absentee ballots should be discarded is both completely idiotic and quite obviously a partisan argument of convenience.
NO...can't you read. PA has been ordered NOT ro certify. They are not certified as of right now and will never be until they dismiss ALL of the fraudulent mail in ballots after they shut down the night of the election. Trump won PA by 800,000. It's going to happen even if it has to go to the supreme court.
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Not even the SCOTUS conservatives will touch this case. From the appellate court's ruling:
'Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.
The Trump Presidential Campaign asserts that Pennsylvania’s 2020 election was unfair. But as lawyer Rudolph Giuliani stressed, the Campaign “doesn’t plead fraud. . . . [T]his is not a fraud case.” Mot. to Dismiss Hr’g Tr. 118:19–20, 137:18. Instead, it objects that Pennsylvania’s Secretary of State and some counties restricted poll watchers and let voters fix technical defects in their mail-in ballots. It offers nothing more. This case is not about whether those claims are true. Rather, the Campaign appeals on
a very narrow ground: whether the District Court abused its discretion in not letting the Campaign amend its complaint a second time. It did not.
Most of the claims in the Second Amended Complaint boil down to issues of state law. But Pennsylvania law is willing to overlook many technical defects. It favors counting
votes as long as there is no fraud. Indeed, the Campaign has already litigated and lost many of these issues in state courts.
The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory. It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes. And federal law does not require poll watchers or specify how they may observe. It also says nothing about curing technical state-law errors in ballots. Each of these defects is fatal, and the proposed Second Amended Complaint does not fix them. So the District Court properly denied leave to amend again.
Nor does the Campaign deserve an injunction to undo Pennsylvania’s certification of its votes. The Campaign’s claims have no merit. The number of ballots it specifically challenges is far smaller than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. And it never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters. Plus, tossing out millions of mail-in ballots would be drastic and unprecedented, disenfranchising a huge swath of the electorate and upsetting all down-ballot races too. That remedy would be grossly disproportionate to the procedural challenges raised. So we deny the motion for an injunction pending appeal...
Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections. The ballots here are governed by Pennsylvania election law. No federal law requires poll watchers or specifies where they must live or how close they may stand when votes are counted. Nor does federal law govern whether to count ballots with minor state-law defects or let voters cure those defects. Those are all issues of state law, not ones that we can hear. And earlier lawsuits have rejected those claims.
Seeking to turn those state-law claims into federal ones, the Campaign claims discrimination. But its alchemy cannot transmute lead into gold. The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so granting leave to amend would have been futile.
And there is no basis to grant the unprecedented injunction sought here. First, for the reasons already given, the Campaign is unlikely to succeed on the merits. Second, it shows no irreparable harm, offering specific challenges to many fewer ballots than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. Third, the Campaign is responsible for its delay and repetitive litigation. Finally, the public interest strongly favors finality, counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail. Plus, discarding those votes could disrupt every other election on the ballot."
https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.c...1de303.#page=1
Oh, and the juidge who wrote the opinion for the unanimous three-judge panel? Judge Stephanos Bibas, appointed by ...... (wait for it)... Trump.
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The PA Senate has until Friday to do whatever they are going to do, until then no more steps can be taken to certify. Now that the 3rd court of Appeals has refused to hear the case, it can go right to SCOTUS and it will on the grounds that PA did not follow it's own election laws. There is sufficient proof on those merits alone.
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Bloomberg ?
same ones funding the Anti Constitution Laws all over the country?
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The US Constitution gives the state legislatures authority over the time, place, and manner of conducting elections.
Interesting in PA is that In 1938 the PA legislature decided their manner would be to assign it to the SOS. They now want to rescind that and they do not need the Governor to do so.
https://streamable.com/bsi4ud
Last edited by showpan; 11-27-2020 at 05:06 PM.
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Everything you said is wrong.
No further action remains in the certification of the presidential election. It's already certified.
https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/State...spx?newsid=435Department of State Certifies Presidential Election Results
11/24/2020
Harrisburg, PA – Following certifications of the presidential vote submitted by all 67 counties late Monday, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar today certified the results of the November 3 election in Pennsylvania for president and vice president of the United States.
Shortly thereafter, as required by federal law, Governor Tom Wolf signed the Certificate of Ascertainment for the slate of electors for Joseph R. Biden as president and Kamala D. Harris as vice president of the United States. The certificate was submitted to the Archivist of the United States.
The Certificate of Ascertainment included the following vote totals:
- Electors for Democratic Party candidates Joseph R. Biden and Kamala D. Harris – 3,458,229
- Electors for Republican Party candidates Donald J. Trump and Michael R. Pence – 3,377,674
- Electors for Libertarian Party candidates Jo Jorgensen and Jeremy Spike Cohen – 79,380
"Today's certification is a testament to the incredible efforts of our local and state election officials, who worked tirelessly to ensure Pennsylvania had a free, fair and accurate process that reflects the will of the voters," said Gov. Wolf.
"We are tremendously grateful to all 67 counties who have been working extremely long hours to ensure that every qualified voter's vote is counted safely and securely. The county election officials and the poll workers are the true heroes of our democracy, enabling us to vote in record numbers, amid challenging circumstances, so that every eligible voter's voice could be heard," Sec. Boockvar said.
tell that to Mastriano...lol
it's around 1:36 in the video
Last edited by showpan; 11-27-2020 at 06:01 PM.
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I'm not going to watch 2 hours of youtube, and definitely not 2 hours of Steve Bannon, of all people.
Whatever Mastriano said, it has nothing to do with whether or not the election was certified.
It's not 2 hours, Mastriano lays it all out in less than 10 minutes....lol...go back to your communist
goggle then.
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Youtube is Google
I'm not going to watch 2 hours of youtube to find the 10 minutes of youtube that you think is relevant, only to find out that it still doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with whether or not the election was certified. Which it was.
Anyone that actually watched the Senate hearing knows there was massive evidence of fraud. This is actually a good thing that the apeals court has rejected the case since it can go right to the Supreme Court now.
Senior strategy adviser for the Trump campaign Steve Cortes told Just the News that "We will be appealing to the United States Supreme Court, which has always been where we wanted to end up. The sooner the better. We want to make these cases before the high court and we believe we have a compelling argument to make."
https://justthenews.com/government/c...e-pennsylvania
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Pennsylvania State Legislature Files Resolution to Dispute Statewide 2020 Election Results…
Posted on November 27, 2020
With mounting evidence of election fraud now visible, members of the Pennsylvania legislature have drafted a joint resolution [SEE HERE] to overturn election results, reverse the previous state certification, and the sponsors promise they will take it to the Supreme Court if necessary.
House of Representatives
Session of 2019 - 2020 Regular Session
MEMORANDUM
Posted: November 27, 2020 12:50 PM
From: Representative Russ Diamond and Rep. Eric R. Nelson, Rep. Paul Schemel, Rep. Greg Rothman, Rep. Francis X. Ryan, Rep. Dawn W. Keefer, Rep. Mike Jones, Rep. David H. Rowe, Rep. Michael J. Puskaric, Rep. Barbara Gleim, Rep. Bud Cook, Rep. Cris Dush, Rep. Stephanie Borowicz, Rep. David H. Zimmerman, Rep. Daryl D. Metcalfe, Rep. David M. Maloney, Sr., Rep. Dan Moul, Rep. Brad Roae, Rep. Kathy L. Rapp, Rep. Jim Cox, Rep. Rob W. Kauffman
To: All House members
Subject: RESOLUTION Disputing the 2020 General Election Statewide Contest Results
In the immediate future, we will be introducing the following resolution:
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A RESOLUTION
Declaring the results of statewide electoral contests in the 2020 General Election to be in dispute.
WHEREAS, Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution empowers state legislatures, including the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, to prescribe the “Times, Places, and Manner” of conducting elections; and
WHEREAS, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution empowers state legislatures, including the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, to direct the manner of appointing electors for President and Vice President of the United States; and
WHEREAS, the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has exercised its authority to establish election administration procedures for the Commonwealth, known as the Pennsylvania Election Code; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires all mail-in ballots to be received by eight o’clock P.M. on the day of the election; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires election officials at polling places to authenticate the signatures of in-person voters; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code requires that county boards of elections shall not meet to conduct a pre-canvass of all absentee and mail-in ballots until seven o’clock A.M. on Election Day, during which time defects on mail-in ballots would be identified; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code prohibits the counting of defective absentee or mail-in ballots; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania Election Code authorizes “watchers,” selected by candidates and political parties, to observe the process of canvassing absentee and mail-in ballots; and
WHEREAS, the Commonwealth conducted an election on November 3, 2020 for federal offices, including selecting electors for President and Vice President of the United States; and
WHEREAS, officials in the Executive and Judicial Branches of the Commonwealth infringed upon the General Assembly’s authority under the United States Constitution by unlawfully changing the rules governing the November 3, 2020 election in the Commonwealth; and
WHEREAS, on September 17, 2020, less than seven weeks before the November 3, 2020 election, the partisan majority on the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania unlawfully and unilaterally extended the deadline for mail-in ballots to be received, mandated that ballots mailed without a postmark would be presumed to be received timely, and could be accepted without a verified voter signature; and
WHEREAS, on October 23, 2020, less than two weeks before the November 3, 2020 election and upon a petition from the Secretary of the Commonwealth, the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania ruled that mail-in ballots need not authenticate signatures for mail-in ballots, thereby treating in-person and mail-in voters dissimilarly and eliminating a critical safeguard against potential election crime; and
WHEREAS, on November 2, 2020, the night before the November 3, 2020 election and prior to the prescribed time for pre-canvassing mail-in ballots, the office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth encouraged certain counties to notify party and candidate representatives of mail-in voters whose ballots contained defects; and
WHEREAS, heavily Democrat counties permitted mail-in voters to cure ballot defects while heavily Republican counties followed the law and invalidated defective ballots; and
WHEREAS, in certain counties in the Commonwealth, watchers were not allowed to meaningfully observe the pre-canvassing and canvassing activities relating to absentee and mail-in ballots; and
WHEREAS, in other parts of the Commonwealth, watchers observed irregularities concerning the pre-canvassing and canvassing of absentee and mail-in ballots; and
WHEREAS, postal employees in Pennsylvania have reported anomalies relating to mail-in ballots, including multiple ballots delivered to a single address with unfamiliar addressees, ballots mailed to vacant homes, empty lots, and addresses that did not exist; and
WHEREAS, witnesses testifying before the Pennsylvania Senate Majority Policy Committee on November 25, 2020 have provided additional compelling information regarding the questionable nature of the administration of the 2020 General Election; and
WHEREAS, there remains ongoing litigation concerning the administration of the November 3, 2020 election in the Commonwealth; and
WHEREAS, in 2016, Pennsylvania’s general election results were certified on December 12, 2016, and on November 24, 2020, the Secretary of the Commonwealth unilaterally and prematurely certified results of the November 3, 2020 election regarding presidential electors despite ongoing litigation; and
WHEREAS, the Pennsylvania House of Representatives has the duty to ensure that no citizen of this Commonwealth is disenfranchised, to insist that all elections are conducted according to the law, and to satisfy the general public that every legal vote is counted accurately;
THEREFORE, be it RESOLVED that the Pennsylvania House of Representatives—
1. Recognizes substantial irregularities and improprieties associated with mail-in balloting, pre-canvassing, and canvassing during the November 3, 2020 election; and
2. Disapproves of the infringement on the General Assembly’s authority pursuant to the United States Constitution to regulate elections; and
3. Disapproves of and disagrees with the Secretary of the Commonwealth’s premature certification of the results of the November 3, 2020 election regarding presidential electors; and
4. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and
5. Urges the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw or vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and
6. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.
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Please join us in cosponsoring this critical resolution.
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...hoice=suppress
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Per registered decision, member has been banned for violating community standards as interpreted by TheTexan (respect his authoritah) as authorized by Brian4Liberty Ruling
May God have mercy on his atheist, police-hating, non-voting, anarchist soul.
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You have the right to remain silent. Anything you post to the internet can and will be used to humiliate you.
Everything you said is wrong.
No further action remains in the certification of the presidential election. It's already certified.
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Don’t shoot the messengers, just came upon a relevant article to add to the discussion.
cool,, falls under "unreliable source".
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Agree!
Yup indeed
You aren't very good at this internet thing are you.
On November 25, 2020, Petitioners responded to Executive
Respondents’ Brief in Opposition to Motion for Emergency Injunction and Press
Release by filing a Supplemental Application for Emergency Relief, which raises
additional compelling concerns and questions of fact in support of their underlying
Petition for Review regarding the formal requirements and status of the certification
process, and whether Respondents might have short-circuited the certification
process to purportedly avert this Courts’ determination on the merits by declaring
victories in the presidential and vice presidential elections, while leaving
certification of the elections for the other offices for another time. Petitioners’
Supplemental Application for Emergency Relief also raise the issue of whether the
results of an election can be certified piecemeal. It is also noted Petitioners alleged
that notwithstanding Respondents’ Press Release, the dispute was not moot because
the certification process for the presidential and vice presidential elections had not
been perfected because there were additional steps that need to be completed,
........
For all of the above reasons, the Court respectfully submits that the
emergency preliminary injunction was properly issued and should be upheld pending
an expedited emergency evidentiary hearing
s/ Patricia A. McCullough
PATRICIA A. McCULLOUGH, Judg
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-con...nion-Filed.pdf
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Pennsylvania State Judge Upholds Halt To Certification, Finds Likelihood Mail-In Balloting Procedures Violate PA Constitution
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Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:00pm
Upholds injunction issued earlier in the week, finds “Petitioners appear to have a viable claim that the mail-in ballot procedures set forth in Act 77 contravene Pa. Const. Article VII Section 14”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/1...-constitution/
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Would you please at least take the time to read the documents that you're frantically copy/pasting from other sources?
Here you go:
Again: Nothing else needs to be done per the PA AG and PA Secretary of State. It's already certified and that certification is unaffected by McCullough's injunction.
Department of State Certifies Presidential Election Results
11/24/2020
Harrisburg, PA – Following certifications of the presidential vote submitted by all 67 counties late Monday, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar today certified the results of the November 3 election in Pennsylvania for president and vice president of the United States.
Shortly thereafter, as required by federal law, Governor Tom Wolf signed the Certificate of Ascertainment for the slate of electors for Joseph R. Biden as president and Kamala D. Harris as vice president of the United States. The certificate was submitted to the Archivist of the United States.
The Certificate of Ascertainment included the following vote totals:
- Electors for Democratic Party candidates Joseph R. Biden and Kamala D. Harris – 3,458,229
- Electors for Republican Party candidates Donald J. Trump and Michael R. Pence – 3,377,674
- Electors for Libertarian Party candidates Jo Jorgensen and Jeremy Spike Cohen – 79,380
"Today's certification is a testament to the incredible efforts of our local and state election officials, who worked tirelessly to ensure Pennsylvania had a free, fair and accurate process that reflects the will of the voters," said Gov. Wolf.
"We are tremendously grateful to all 67 counties who have been working extremely long hours to ensure that every qualified voter's vote is counted safely and securely. The county election officials and the poll workers are the true heroes of our democracy, enabling us to vote in record numbers, amid challenging circumstances, so that every eligible voter's voice could be heard," Sec. Boockvar said.
https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/State...spx?newsid=435
Oh please....stop with your "frantically" reposting of cherry picked responses. You only read what you want to read. Why would the Demorats file an appeal to the judges order to halt the certification process? Obviously the certification process was also not followed according to PA laws just as the election itself was not as Judge Patricia A. McCullough so eloquently states. They rushed to certify in order to avoid the courts decisions just as they rushed to destroy any records of mail in ballots which is ILLEGAL under PA law.
Question? Why are you so against free and fair elections?
Sounds to me you would rather have a Biden/Harris administration....lmao....how obscenely anti libertarian.
Last edited by showpan; 11-28-2020 at 07:35 AM.
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Need to subpoena all the envelopes in the disputed states. If envelopes do not match the ballot count, Fraud. States must keep envelopes for extended time.
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