Neocon Panic Attack! What If Ron Paul Becomes Trump's Secretary of State?

[fcreature]

Personally I want that 10% THIS election cycle.

As do I.

Problem is that I know Trump won't move the ball in the right direction on any issue and will instead actually move us significantly backwards in many respects. There probably were a couple people running this cycle who could have done this but Trump is not one of them.

All the Trump people can possibly do now is call any former RP supporter who doesn't support Trump, "cultists" and "purists". At the same time they cannot articulate a single issue in which Trump will move us in the right direction without resorting to misrepresentations, lies, intellectual dishonesty, or contradictory statements from Trump. In the end they always argue with emotion, allowing Trump to represent any fantasy they choose. The moment you point out a lie and prove it, all you hear is crickets from these people.

So explain to me how my choosing to not support Trump is a result of my supposed "purity" when I've just told you that I would happily support a candidate who would move us in the right direction?

In truth, the blanket accusation that we're purists and cultists is just a weak technique designed to shut down our dissent because that's all Trump supporters have left. The facts do not coincide with their fantastical reality. Their lies are easily revealed, their agenda's obvious, and their logic flawed.

[r3volution 3.0]

You lose all credibility when you do this since there are about a dozen policy points that have been posted repeatedly here that overlap with the positions of Rand/or Ron.

Pro Iraq War
Pro Libya War
Pro Fed money printing
Pro bank bailouts
Pro auto company bailouts
Pro Obama stimulus
Pro tax increases
Pro raising the minimum wage
Pro PATRIOT ACT
Pro NSA Spying
Pro torture
Pro partial birth abortion
Pro gun control
Pro eminent domain

....which of those policies overlap with Ron/Rand's views?

[francisco]

...All the more reason why I wish that Ron and/or Rand would try to meet with him [Trump]. Because I do think he means well, but could use some input. I don't think he understands the unintended consequences of a couple of things...

The idea that Trump would listen to anyone else's counsel--let alone that of either Ron or Rand, both of whom Trump has openly attacked and ridiculed--is absurd.

[ProBlue33]

@fcreature

In truth, the blanket accusation that we're purists and cultists is just a weak technique designed to shut down our dissent

I disagree with the "cultists" moniker for sure, some were loyal to the general concept of liberty before 2008 and Ron became well known, so they were purists before Ron, it's all good.
The fact is we live in an unpredictable political climate, I personally think Trump can accomplish 10% of the goals I would like to see move forward, and maybe the next guy can take the next step, the next 10%, it is going to be a very slow process. One part of this 10%, is the GOP establishment that defeated Ron, have themselves been defeated, look at Romney & McCain and the "3" Bush's their political say/worth in 2016 is zero, that IS progress.

Trump did that.

[CPUd]

[CPUd]

[r3volution 3.0]

Now the terrists won't take our freedom, we will!

[devil21]

Trump would probably pick John Bolton.

[enhanced_deficit]

Right-wing neocons panic has been spreading, now there are signs of left-wing neocons' panic also.

Early Panic: In Clintonland, It's 'DEFCON 1'

[Mordan]

@fcreature


I disagree with the "cultists" moniker for sure, some were loyal to the general concept of liberty before 2008 and Ron became well known, so they were purists before Ron, it's all good.
The fact is we live in an unpredictable political climate, I personally think Trump can accomplish 10% of the goals I would like to see move forward, and maybe the next guy can take the next step, the next 10%, it is going to be a very slow process. One part of this 10%, is the GOP establishment that defeated Ron, have themselves been defeated, look at Romney & McCain and the "3" Bush's their political say/worth in 2016 is zero, that IS progress.

Trump did that.

Yea he did all that. The perfect is the ennemy of good. Erowe and all those Trump blind bashers are actually putting me off. I would never want those kind of extremists close to power.
As you correctly noticed, those Reddit comments show what the majority of Ron Paul supporters feel. Its exactly what I felt when I saw everyone attack Trump. I thought wow. Its like Ron Paul all over again. . That cemented my support for Trump. And yea its a Cult. Ron Paul can have some stupid ideas and they follow him blindly. Ron Paul bashing Trump is stupid and senile. It doesn't bring anything positive.

[Mordan]

5 negs / 5 reps lol

Because trump is one of the lead funders of SJW's for the last two decades.
Doc Liberty sez: Take 2 Thorazine and call me in the morning

Most REPs were made because of the negative attitude of Trump Bashers. thx!

[Origanalist]

@fcreature


I disagree with the "cultists" moniker for sure, some were loyal to the general concept of liberty before 2008 and Ron became well known, so they were purists before Ron, it's all good.
The fact is we live in an unpredictable political climate, I personally think Trump can accomplish 10% of the goals I would like to see move forward, and maybe the next guy can take the next step, the next 10%, it is going to be a very slow process. One part of this 10%, is the GOP establishment that defeated Ron, have themselves been defeated, look at Romney & McCain and the "3" Bush's their political say/worth in 2016 is zero, that IS progress.

Trump did that.

There you go again, crediting Trump for something that was already done. Nobody wanted Jeb Bush. Literally

[Mordan]

There you go again, crediting Trump for something that was already done. Nobody wanted Jeb Bush. Literally

Credible statement? That's why I'm suspicious of the knee jerk Trump Bashers. They act like liberals.

100 millions $ disagree with you
Romney pulled from the race because Jeb had so much money.
Summer Polls had Jeb in first place until Trump knock him out with his low energy comments.

Trump did that. Swallow it.

[undergroundrr]

Because trump is one of the lead funders of SJW's for the last two decades.
Doc Liberty sez: Take 2 Thorazine and call me in the morning

Well, that's a little misdirected. Please allow me to bash - Paleocon dreamgirl trump has given most of his political contributions to democrat SJW's - Charlie Rangel ($24,750), Harry Reid ($10,400 almost half of which was expressly to defeat Sharon Angle), Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee ($116,000), Frank Lautenberg ($12,000), Chuck Schumer ($4,000), Kirsten Gillebrand ($5,850) etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc..

Now you can go back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[GunnyFreedom]

Credible statement? That's why I'm suspicious of the knee jerk Trump Bashers. They act like liberals.

100 millions $ disagree with you
Romney pulled from the race because Jeb had so much money.
Summer Polls had Jeb in first place until Trump knock him out with his low energy comments.

Trump did that. Swallow it.

Are you seriously trying to label Originalist a "liberal" because he won't support your pet pro-abortion, pro-common-core, anti-gun, pro-eminent-domain, tax raising, big government, immoral, anti-liberty buffoon?

LMAO really? Really??

[LibertyEagle]

There you go again, crediting Trump for something that was already done. Nobody wanted Jeb Bush. Literally

No one wanted Romney, either and he won the nomination.

[LibertyEagle]

Are you seriously trying to label Originalist a "liberal" because he won't support your pet pro-abortion, pro-common-core, anti-gun, pro-eminent-domain, tax raising, big government, immoral, anti-liberty buffoon?

LMAO really? Really??

Trump is not pro-abortion, neither is he pro Common Core. And yes I know he used to be pro-abortion in the past.

[CPUd]

Trump: I would change GOP platform on abortion

By David Wright, CNN

Updated 11:07 AM ET, Thu April 21, 2016


(CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday he would change the Republican Party platform's position on abortion to include exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.

Trump made the remarks during a town hall on the "Today" show on NBC on Thursday morning when host Savannah Guthrie asked him about abortion exceptions.

"The Republican platform every four years has a provision that states that the right of the unborn child should not be infringed," Guthrie said. "And it makes no exceptions for rape, for incest, for the life of the mother. Would you want to change the Republican platform to include the (abortion) exceptions that you have?"

"Yes, I would. Yes, I would. Absolutely," Trump said. "For the three exceptions, I would."

Currently, the Republican platform abortion policy reads: "We assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed."

While the official party platform doesn't explicitly outline or endorse any abortion exceptions, GOP presidential candidates in the past have supported them, including Mitt Romney, John McCain and both Bush presidents.

Among Trump's remaining GOP presidential rivals, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz has said he opposes exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother, while Ohio Gov. John Kasich has said he supports them.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/21/politi...form-abortion/

[TheCount]

No one wanted Romney, either and he won the nomination.

And how did that work out?

[Mordan]

Are you seriously trying to label Originalist a "liberal" because he won't support your pet pro-abortion, pro-common-core, anti-gun, pro-eminent-domain, tax raising, big government, immoral, anti-liberty buffoon?

LMAO really? Really??

We were talking about Trump and Jeb Bush specifically. Your post just shows the kind of behaviors Liberals exhibit when arguing. Bad faith and cognitive dissonance among them.