I do in the case of this girl, because despite what people think of veganism, it didn't destroy her health.Originally Posted by buenijo
He posted the article. If you disagree with it, you can post the symptoms and pick it apart.
Also, you mention the symptoms match a vegan who is doing it wrong. This should tell you something. Someone who eats the crappiest meat dishes will decline in health much, much slower than someone who eats crappy vegan dishes.
I hear patients regularly tell me, "I don't understand why I'm having these health issue. I'm eating a very strict vegan diet." Yes there are proper ways of matching foods with right combination of amino acids, but its much easier and healthier to have an egg, especially from my precious free range backyard hens.
Also many people do have allergies to many vegan staples. Rice and (sprouted) buckwheat are the only two grains I can relatively thrive on. My digestive system doesn't handle a lot of beans well and I am very allergic to soy protein. It depends on the person's metabolism. My wife thrives on a vegetarian diet. I don't.
I do regularly fast on a vegan diet for religious reasons. There is a reason why fasting is incorporated in religions, because when the body is deprived of key nutrients, it turns to spiritual foods. It's one of the reasons why poor societies tend to turn to faith while fat decadent ones tend not to. However continually staying in such a state is not good for the body or soul.
It's one of the reasons why vegans tend to have no issues with disturbing a meat eaters meal. I can see the desire for nutrients in their eyes. They have the fire of a desperate hunter, but since they don't hunt animals, it turns into a jealous rage against their fellow humans instead.
Last edited by RJB; 03-13-2016 at 01:46 PM.
And he should do most of the work.
Nope, it doesn't match it was a case of eating crappy vegan dishes.Also, you mention the symptoms match a vegan who is doing it wrong. This should tell you something. Someone who eats the crappiest meat dishes will decline in health much, much slower than someone who eats crappy vegan dishes.
Has nothing to do with matching the right foods. Post all her symptoms and it should be clear to you what was really causing her problems.I hear patients regularly tell me, "I don't understand why I'm having these health issue. I'm eating a very strict vegan diet." Yes there are proper ways of matching foods with right combination of amino acids, but its much easier and healthier to have an egg, especially from my precious free range backyard hens.
I don't think you should be calling anybody the R word when you believe the cause of the girl's health problems are based on because she says so.
I fit that description. Proudly.
Not that I'm impatient or anything, but I really don't have time to wait for some sickly vegan to finish (slowly) shoveling granola into a hemp sack before I can breeze past him at the Co-op to get my coffee or something important.
"This here's Miss Bonnie Parker. I'm Clyde Barrow. We rob banks."
Weird reason to hate vegans. Do you hate old people equally because they take too long putting food in their basket to? What about sickly heavy meat eaters who are slow from being overweight and lethargic that take too long to load up their groceries?
I wonder how many days are going to go by for a forum espousing having principals and personal responsibility will allow a misinformation thread to go on?
Freedom of speech will allow it to go on as long as people continue to post in it (and don't violate site rules and guidelines). Isn't that Liberty?
If you disagree with something, you are free to dispute or disprove it.
I wouldn't think a political affiliated forum that espouses having principals and personal responsibility would tolerate misinformation.
Isn't it sad we have to do the work for someone's thread? You'd think they'd take responsibility over what they post.If you disagree with something, you are free to dispute or disprove it.
But I did read the OP article and saw the symptoms she was suffering from. Veganism didn't cause her problems.
Politics is full of mis- information. It is a political forum. Should all posts be submitted for verification of facts prior to being posted?
No, but should posts stay up or not be edited for correction after it's known that it contains misinformation?
You keep saying "misinformation," but you have yet to demonstrate any.
EXACTLY... He only has "claims" of misinformation... but since there is no misinformation he never demonstrates any.. there is none so he cant. He only hopes his claims of it will have people ignore the topic but have you noticed how many people are ready the personal health section now? ever since this thread came out its been double digits.. not too long ago it was 32 people.. thats alot for just one section that not even a primary focus of the board.
I told you that in the article you support to post all the symptoms she suffered from so you can clearly see for yourself what was really causing her problems. Take your share of responsibility by doing some of the work on an article you support in making sure it's not ripe with misinformation, that is if you are concerned about truth and accuracy.
He actually fits the profile of a paid political blogger (Bernie) who happens to have a penchant for veganism or anti-meats or whatever you wanna call it... he doesnt spend any real time refuting anything because it cuts into his blogging time... hes one of those dormant accounts who has like 1,000 posts where 950 have come from february even though his account is 5 years old...
thats why he wont spend 10 minutes to watch a video.. but he'll spend DAYS making quick one-line comments about it in the hopes he can pick apart somebody elses analysis without spending too much time so he can still get paid to blog.
Perfect phrase to describe the OP article:
Correlation does not imply causation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correl...mply_causation
I know you told me that, but the reason why no one takes you seriously is that if there are falsehoods YOU need to point it out. If you won't/can't do that, the readers of the thread will assume that the article is true based on your lack of ability to refute it.
Yeah, I think you are on to something.
Again, I note that you can't point out a specific falsehood in the article.
I have multiple times now. The symptoms she was having aren't caused by veganism. If you would have taken a little bit of personal responsibility in the article you support by posting all the symptoms she was experiencing like I've asked you multiple times now, you would probably be able to see it for yourself--depending on how versed you are in nutrition. Chester thinks he's very versed, so if he is as much as he thinks, he should clearly be able to see her symptoms were in fact not caused by being vegan.
Chester Copperpot
ME: But people dont like you because you try and force your beliefs on others - thats the $#@! that doesnt fly here.
FARRERI: How do I do that???
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if you have to ask that youre either retarded or a liar... So which is it?Chester Copperpot
I'll apologize for any mean vegans you may have encountered. However your authoritarianism shouldn't be welcomed by someone who values freedom and happens to be a vegan either. If you are just trolling, ya got me.Chester Copperpot -veganism has to simply be identified for the danger it is and eradicated.
Prove it.
Her symptoms tell the story itself. Do I have to do all the work for an article I didn't even post? Take some responsibility for the article you support and post all the symptoms she was experiencing and her symptoms will tell the story.
And I say you're wrong. Those are symptoms of veganism in people whose metabolism is not made for it or if they have allergies to common vegan staples. I have seen it in my own life, practice, and research.
I do have a small correction to make. I have said in a couple of my posts that made it sound like none of her multiple symptoms were caused by veganism. I was slightly mistaken in that. Some of her symptoms were caused by being vegan, but not all of her symptoms, which were caused not by veganism. However, the few symptoms that were caused by her being vegan was because she wasn't doing her vegan diet correctly as have mentioned in this thread.
To be clear on my stance about the OP article, some of her symptoms were caused by not doing her vegan diet right, yet most of her symptoms had nothing to do with veganism at all.
See, I take responsibility by correcting inaccuracies in my post. I would hope others would do the same in their posts.
What's your practice?
Question about this girl, was she taking B12, or not?
I guess I should only ask help from people who value truth and accuracy.
Zippyjuan, I don't know if you read the article, but if so and would like to help, did you get out of the article that the girl was taking B12?
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Well since the OP and other supporters of this article aren't going to take responsibility and want others to do all the work, let's get to it and show why the premise of the article is wrong.
Well there you go, just like I said, she wasn't doing her vegan diet right or else her B12 wouldn't have gotten so low. Everyone who knows how to do a vegan diet right knows that in these modern times of pesticides and overly washing foods to kill bacteria that you have to supplement with B12."my B12 was so low she wanted to give me an injection immediately"
As I've said before:
Why did this girl have to take iron tablets? Where does meat get its iron?
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