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    If you were POTUS, would you take a senate conviction to pardon Assange?

    Tucker Carlson confirmed Mcconnell threatened to convict Trump if he pardoned Assange.

    Assange did recently beat extradition, with this knowledge and if you were POTUS, would you have gone through with the pardon or even taken the chance? No LARPing in the poll.

    A conviction means criminal civilian charges, judgement, and punishment according to law.

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    If I were an elected official, and followed my oath of office and the Constitution, then being impeached and convicted wouldn’t be an issue. Then I’d pardon Assange and Snowden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Tucker Carlson confirmed Mcconnell threatened to convict Trump if he pardoned Assange.

    Assange did recently beat extradition, with this knowledge and if you were POTUS, would you have gone through with the pardon or even taken the chance?

    History is important, at least to some

    The Buffoon used Wikileaks when it helped him, then threw them under the Presidential Bus





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    Trump should have definitely sacrificed running for office again just to pardon Assange.
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    If I was potus I wouldnt have to risk a senate conviction . I would let them know , hey I am going to pardon this guy . If nobody voices any dissent I wont come around ay dawn and scalp you alive some day .

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Tucker Carlson confirmed Mcconnell threatened to convict Trump if he pardoned Assange.

    Assange did recently beat extradition, with this knowledge and if you were POTUS, would you have gone through with the pardon or even taken the chance? No LARPing in the poll.

    A conviction means criminal civilian charges, judgement, and punishment according to law.
    Are you sure that an impeachment trial conviction means criminal charges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    Are you sure that an impeachment trial conviction means criminal charges?
    There is no precedent but yes once convicted, you can be tried as a civilian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    There is no precedent but yes once convicted, you can be tried as a civilian.
    And you can be tried as a civilian even if you are not convicted on impeachment. The one thing has nothing to do with the other.

    If there are any "civilian" charges that can be brought against Trump, then they can be brought against him regardless of whether he was convicted on impeachment.
    (IOW: Not having been convicted on impeachment does not confer any kind of immunity from "civilian" charges.)

    And if there are not any "civilian" charges that can be brought against Trump, then being convicted on impeachment won't change that.

    Like "general welfare", "high crimes and misdemeanors" is just another vague, mealy-mouthed, waffle-worded phrase that can be made to mean or refer to whatever anyone wants it to mean or refer to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    There is no precedent but yes once convicted, you can be tried as a civilian.
    What makes you think he couldn't be tried as a civilian even if he isn't convicted by the senate? There is a reason Ford pardoned Nixon even though Nixon was never impeached.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Tucker Carlson confirmed Mcconnell threatened to convict Trump if he pardoned Assange.
    ...
    Out in the open and “confirmed”? How often is that the full and accurate story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If I was potus I wouldnt have to risk a senate conviction . I would let them know , hey I am going to pardon this guy . If nobody voices any dissent I wont come around ay dawn and scalp you alive some day .
    Trump could certainly issue counter threats: “I’d hate to see someone with a lot of influence and money campaign against you next time around.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Trump could certainly issue counter threats: “I’d hate to see someone with a lot of influence and money campaign against you next time around.”
    Trump left office like a castrated man. Greenwald's description of him was apt.

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    The US Senate has no jurisdiction over President Trump since he became a private citizen by Noon today. Since the US Senate cannot convict Trump on the Articles of Impeachment, they cannot bar him from running for office again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What makes you think he couldn't be tried as a civilian even if he isn't convicted by the senate? There is a reason Ford pardoned Nixon even though Nixon was never impeached.
    This.

    The Marxists are not going to stop today and just let Trump walk away.

    This will end with Trump in jail or dead.

    That said, I would have pardoned a whole $#@! ton of people, including Assange and Snowden.

    As far as Turtleman is concerned, $#@! him.

    Here's hoping the Marxist mob skins him alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    Trump left office like a castrated man. Greenwald's description of him was apt.
    The Marxists didn't get a complete victory, he was not perp-walked out in chains.

    That's coming though.

    The Marxist Attorney General in NY state will have him in jail within a year or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This.

    The Marxists are not going to stop today and just let Trump walk away.

    This will end with Trump in jail or dead.

    That said, I would have pardoned a whole $#@! ton of people, including Assange and Snowden.

    As far as Turtleman is concerned, $#@! him.

    Here's hoping the Marxist mob skins him alive.
    I have a feeling they will not make a martyr of him. It would be one of the few ways to get some people to actually do something. Instead, they will employ rhetoric claiming a willingness to do something or that something could be done about Trump. This approach has already proven effective as Trump has shown the fight has entirely fled him. If the left is prudent, then they will keep boiling that frog slowly.

    They will not have us where they want us until they have curtailed access to weapons and ammunition. That is the holy of holies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This.

    The Marxists are not going to stop today and just let Trump walk away.

    This will end with Trump in jail or dead.

    That said, I would have pardoned a whole $#@! ton of people, including Assange and Snowden.

    As far as Turtleman is concerned, $#@! him.

    Here's hoping the Marxist mob skins him alive.
    I was speaking merely of the legal ramifications of impeachment. I wasn't speaking of the motivation of the dems. That said I doubt they want to make Trump a martyr when he's such a good poster child for Marxism himself. But who knows.

    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    I have a feeling they will not make a martyr of him. It would be one of the few ways to get some people to actually do something. Instead, they will employ rhetoric claiming a willingness to do something or that something could be done about Trump. This approach has already proven effective as Trump has shown the fight has entirely fled him. If the left is prudent, then they will keep boiling that frog slowly.

    They will not have us where they want us until they have curtailed access to weapons and ammunition. That is the holy of holies.
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    Why do you assume that he cared about Assange in the first place?
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    If the only thing between the freedom and the gallows is Mitch, I would expect the gallows.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    A conviction means criminal civilian charges, judgement, and punishment according to law.
    No it doesn't.

    Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
    (US Constitution, Article 1 Section 3)

    Senate conviction only entails removal from office and disqualification from holding any office in the future.

    Senate conviction would not relieve Trump from the potential to be tried for the same crimes and convicted in a court afterwards. But it doesn't entail that. And that could still happen anyway, whether the Senate convicts or not.



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