People with real power don't care much for money. Because real power can buy you money but money doesn't always buy you power.Originally Posted by Ronin Truth
If he wins, I might just do that.
1. They are the ones who got robbed by the rich power brokers of their allegedly populist party.
2. They're smart enough to see how little difference there really is between the two.
3. They're smart enough to know that, if they and we actually make that much of a difference, the election would get decided by the House of Representatives anyway.
And give him the satisfaction?
It is only a vote for Clinton if you do not live in a state where she will lose. She will not carry my state so I can vote for whomever. I will be voting third party.
Last edited by oyarde; 06-06-2016 at 04:22 PM.
You sound like that's not the answer you wanted to hear.
I suppose the only way one would have usable evidence is for a polling organization to do two simultaneous polls from the same demographic, one including Johnson/Weld as an option and one not including them. It would be cool to see where they pull from.
If the LP had chosen gun-slinging Austin Peterson or John McAfee this time, yes, the LP's vote would take directly away from trump. But I think it's intriguing that Johnson/Weld are comfortable presenting an amenable face to left-swinging voters. A female VP would have been even better.
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
From what I see on CNN and from my liberal friends, it appears they don't want Trump. To me this would be evidence that they'd vote for clinton and not the libertarian party. But this is just my observation.
I think it may depend on Bernie supporters. Will they back clinton or someone else?
I have evidence that Trump is a democrat who is devoted to the Clintons but the media has sold you a narrative that you want to believe. This is the power the MSM has over us, they sold us WMDS in Iraq, and now they are selling us Trump vs Clinton. This is fiction, and the very fact that the media is reporting it should be proof enough to any Ron Paul person.
This poll says that out of an 11% showing Johnson took 6 points from Clinton and 5 points from trump.
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
lol! That basically says all of the above. Could be better. Could be same. Could be worse. meh.
I agree with you though. Who the hell knows with Trump?
-Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
Author of, War is a Racket!
- Diogenes of SinopeIt is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
Trump is running pretty much to Clinton's left on both Foreign policy and the economy. And gets democrats saying he's a right wing Nazi(when Nazi's were pretty much leftests so that's contradiction in terms) and that his policies would be devastating to this country. They aren't wrong but they are pretty much advocating for worse policies particularly in foreign policy. We are in serious need of a reset button.
Trump is running both sides of every issue because he is a con man.
About the same with regard to idiotic policy ideas. Although due to his temperment Trump is an embarassment and therefore worse.
"Better" for what?
More important to me is which group of losers is more likely to kick off the coming riots.........
It's a safe bet that if Trump wins the lefties will tear up some cities....
If Hillary wins the odds of Trump supporters actually getting off their asses is pretty small...
Then again if Hillary wins the odds are her supporters will tear up some cities....
Sounds like a wash to me...
And @sdsubball23, here's another poll indicating Johnson/Weld may take more from Clinton than trump -
http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/10/ga...colbert-alwaysA new Fox News poll of 1,000 registered voters taken between June 5 and June 8 shows Clinton leading a three-way race with 39 percent, Trump with 36 percent, and Johnson with 12 percent (up 2 percentage points from a previous poll). A total of 14 percent said they would not vote, choose someone else, or didn't know. The result that is getting even more play than Johnson's improving showing is that he's beating Clinton among independents. Trump pulls 32 percent of independents, followed by Johnson at 23 percent, and Clinton at 22 percent.
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
I read at DU all the time and still have a hard time guessing what will happen. To see what's being said right now, I went over to General Discussion Primaries and found this:
Unscientific, I know, but those results shocked me. I would have given Hitlary about 60% of Bernie voters with the balance voting watermelon (Green Party) or just not voting.
Here's the thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512170043
I don't see why any Bernie supporter (I live with one - urgh!) would EVER vote Libertarian. Johnson's being cool with sexually confused men in women's locker rooms is certainly a plus but Bernie's peeps are hard core socialists who want a strong social safety net plus taxing Wall Street and banks for free college and whatever else.
No, for many reasons, including the following:
1) Trump is not against abortion.
2) Trump will not appoint conservative judges.
3) Trump will actively oppose and do his best to destroy Rand and those like him, especially if they ever get in the way of his accrual of power to himself.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
10, 20 or 30% of them are conservative Democrats who just wanted to vote against horrible Hillary.
They didn't like Bernie, they just wanted to vote against Clinton who is also too far left for them.
So they'll be voting for Trump. I doubt 49- 50% of West Virginia supports Socialism/Bernie policies as every single remaining coal miner & coal town, feeder industries are shut down.
I don't know any community that wants an entire industry shut down and replace with future-jobs.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
Well, Trump's going to lose much/all of the South.
...West Virginia might be the only state he wins.
Hillary = 110% bad.
Trump = 99.9% bad.
Trump has a possibility of being better than Hillary. He has a possibility of being far worse than her. We know what we are getting with Hillary. Trump is unknown in many ways. He could flip on a dime and back track on what he has previously positioned himself on. Hillary is a consistent mass murderer, liberty trouncer, and Wall Street whore. We know what we are getting from her. Trump has made some interesting noise regarding getting along with Russia and NATO but he also likes to agitate claiming the US is getting a bad deal with these countries when the US is basically screwing itself by attacking or allying with them. It is the unknowns in regard to Trump which are the problem.
They are both authoritarian. Trump pretends/is a cunning businessman promising he can get the best deal. Hillary is a coldblooded New World Order technocratic money whore. The Neocons hated Obama and he has done a lot of things they liked. I think the same will be for Trump.
And Gary Johnson is an overwhelmingly huge improvement over either of them. And on the ballot too.
This might come as a shock you but there is no such thing as >100%. It stops at 100% and nothing more. I think they the same grade of evil but at best, what separates Hillary to Trump is 0.01% and that is not good enough for me to side with one candidate over the other.
Ron Paul On The Fiscal Cliff: “We Have Passed The Point Of No*Return”The answer lies in the CB that controls the USD and thus the country. The FED's multi-billion $ budget, its ability to print USDs, it's ability to fund perpetual war, to pick winners and losers, etc… all under the cloak of no-audit independence… means that:Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week’s elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.
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"We’re so far gone. We’re over the cliff," the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television’s "In the Loop" program. "We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next five-10 years who will do wise things."
Abortion is irrelevant. Black lives are irrelevant. LGBT are irrelevant. Republicans are irrelevant. Democrats are irrelevant. Terrorism is irrelevant. Guns are irrelevant. The Constitution is irrelevant. Gary Johnson is a useless door stop. Without a handle on the CB, we are doomed slaves… period.
Trump isn't a Dem or a Rep, he's a businessman. That makes him an independent. So, an independent has infiltrated the GOP, exactly like a Libertarian had in 2008 and 2012.
I fail to see the reason for the panic over that that permeates this forum.
Trump?
Clinton?And by the end of his first 100 days as the nation’s 45th leader, the wall with Mexico would be designed, the immigration ban on Muslims would be in place, the audit of the Federal Reserve would be underway and plans to repeal the Affordable Care Act would be in motion.
Well, you guys seriously hafta be eating mushrooms or have some sort of weird man crush on Her Devilness.
Spew all you want about how you are positively sure Trump is lying about the FED audit. That's… irrelevant.
The Q is who is better. The answer is a no-brainer.
If he's not for auditing the Fed, then what makes him better?
He has uncategorically announced that he thinks the Fed performs a vital, indispensible function and he will not try to rid us of it. So even if he is for auditing the Fed, what makes him worth a $#@! at all?
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