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'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
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...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
Have we never heard of arbitration?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altern...ute_resolutionAlternative dispute resolution (ADR; known in some countries, such as India,[1] as external dispute resolution) includes dispute resolution processes and techniques that act as a means for disagreeing parties to come to an agreement short of litigation. It is a collective term for the ways that parties can settle disputes, with (or without) the help of a third party.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
I see you're now making a new and different claim (it's about the amount...), irrelevant to the original issue (whether the state enforces contracts)... Okay, you are truly the evasion-master, I bow before your brilliant trolling ways, and bow out of this "discussion" with you, as well.
I have to say one more thing to you @otherone, for the sake of those $100 creditors out there whose dreams you've dashed.
There's no minimum for civil suits. Some general trial courts have minimums, but then there are specialized courts for the smaller amounts.
Feel free to search for evidence to the contrary.
If this forum has ever had a genuine anarchist, I have failed to detect him or her in many years.
What it does have is a flock of hard lefties pretending to anarchism in order to troll the actual supporters of Ron Paul's policies - the minarchists. Scratch just a bit below the surface and you'll get all the same politically correct anti-sovereignty bull$#@! you get from the alphabet-identity crowd.
Swordsmyth, rev3 & Influenza are vile moral defectives.
That's for you, OB. I'm out.
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Yes, pay 60 dollars to file a civil suit for 100 dollars. So that the state can steal 20+% wholesale from your wages to pay for the multimillion dollar fountain and palace of the agents who will then garnish the person who defaulted to “make whole” the lender.
Because anyone positing that there may be a more efficient and moral way with regards to loans and debt collection is obviously missing the point.
"Local Warlord Smith shall loan $100 to Serf Jones, and Jones shall repay him $500 in a year. If any dispute arises as a result of this contract or otherwise, Smith's enforcers will murder all of Jones's male family members and offspring and take all females under the age of 30 as payment for their services."
Smith can't afford to lose money he lends out? Smith shouldn't loan money.
Jones doesn't have a support system in place so he has to rely on Smith? Jones isn't making wise life choices.
Ancapistan is a way of living that recognizes man's nature, and therefore doesn't go looking to create more "enforcement" issues.
Smith and Jones are obviously living in the wrong neighborhood if they can't or won't humble themselves to some wisdom 101.
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It is relevant in that a Constitution which held individual rights higher than other covenants seen in history still has been, in relatively short time, bastardized to the point of absurdity.
You say property rights cannot be done absent government. I say societal organization hardly could be more immoral than what is occurring now.
To steal from all to make victims whole, even assuming that the only thing the courts were there for would be to enforce property rights and actual crimes ignores the fact that you are creating victims in the name of making victims whole— i.e. the forgotten man.
At worst, and what would occur I’d add, is that over time the system would become sluggish, expensive, and corrupt.
I say that anarcho-capalists can't explain how property rights would be enforced in their ideal society, which is a problem.
...since the whole point of anarcho-capitalism is, allegedly, to make property more secure than it is under a state.
No, it can get much worse.I say societal organization hardly could be more immoral than what is occurring now.
I think less aggression is preferable to more aggression.To steal from all to make victims whole, even assuming that the only thing the courts were there for would be to enforce property rights and actual crimes ignores the fact that you are creating victims in the name of making victims whole— i.e. the forgotten man.
First and most importantly, my property is hardly secure now. Some 40% is taken before I even see it with varying percentages being siphoned afterwards. This is done to protect my property.. which is an insult to reason. My ability to defend my property is hindered additionally.
Contracts are not written in blood. Some will inevitably be broken. Collateral, reputation, ostrasization, criminals being summarily gunned down— these are deterrents. Society will never be utopian.
I suppose I should turn the questions around and ask you how you propose to keep your ideal state limited? Is it possible?
It could get much better as well.No, it can get much worse.
And either way, one is moral, the other is not.
If we were all poorer through an honest and free society I’d say... so what?
As it stands, the overwhelming majority which is good would be free to defend themselves and their property and as well, they’d be forced to. Or not. But as I said, so what?
Indeed.I think less aggression is preferable to more aggression.
This thread was about the problem of contract enforcement in a stateless society. It's now obvious that none of the ancaps here have any solution to that problem. The responses so far have been about how contract enforcement doesn't matter. I think my point's been made.
Aggression is immoral.And either way, one is moral, the other is not.
More aggression is more immoral than less aggression.
Yet many ancaps, including yourself evidently, only really care about aggression if it's committed by the state. If a stateless society involved 10x as much aggression as a state society, apparently you'd still say it was more moral. In other words, it appears that you hate the state far more than you love liberty.
Again, if you want to abolish the state, no matter the consequences (in terms of the incidence of aggression), you're missing the whole point.If we were all poorer through an honest and free society I’d say... so what?
As it stands, the overwhelming majority which is good would be free to defend themselves and their property and as well, they’d be forced to. Or not. But as I said, so what?
Because contract enforcement in society is perfect, good, or even adequate in many cases today. What we are posturing is that nothing is perfect. Not every scenario could be seen or solved as there is not an incentive to solve them.
Why don’t you share some of your proposals to fix this joke of a system with regards to contract enforcement.. or any other matter for this time?
Or is the costly, absurd, disregarding the victim, creating more victims to fund robed whores and palaces what minarchists dream of?
And trust, if I weren’t on this piece of $#@! phone, I’d not only more properly debunk your belief in minor authoritarianism, I’d quite easily poke holes in your proposals as easily as you can mockingly poke holes in mine. You know why? Because minarchism has been seen and is evidenced with immorality, corruption, thuggery, cost prohibition, absurdity and down right stupidness.
So stand behind the $#@!ed off altar. As you said, it can get much worse. And it will. As they crucify another, slave.
And when this less aggression evolves into an omnipotent nanny state that polices and extorts almost everyone on this planet...?Aggression is immoral.
More aggression is more immoral than less aggression.
Because clearly the warlord, not propped up by the supposed legitimacy of the state, could acquire such power without a bullet.
You are being silly. And it’s rather unfortunate typing end quote to respond to your ridiculousness.Yet many ancaps, including yourself evidently, only really care about aggression if it's committed by the state. If a stateless society involved 10x as much aggression as a state society, apparently you'd still say it was more moral. In other words, it appears that you hate the state far more than you love liberty.
How about a simple version. I own me. I own my $#@!. You own you. You own your $#@!. Do business with who you know, with who has a reputation for holding their word. There would be market solutions such as arbitration, various ratings/reviews, collateralized and/or insured loans. The solutions are endless. Yet here under request by you, I am supposed to predict or invent future market fixes once a given sector cease being bastardized. Tsk tsk.
The results would be societal flourishment.Again, if you want to abolish the state, no matter the consequences (in terms of the incidence of aggression), you're missing the whole point.
I’d add too, the same thing could be said of slavery, fiat currency, freeing all who were imprisoned by a dishonest cop... etc.
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