Should intelligent psychopaths who lack empathy, own guns ?

[pcosmar]

a disregard for the rights of others
a failure to feel remorse or guilt
a disregard for laws and social mores
a tendency to display violent behavior and emotional outbursts

Seems like the job requirements for a government enforcer.

[awake]

If more people owned, understood the importance of owning a firearm, and were trained properly in the use including proper circumstances in its use, then there would be a lot less psychopaths with guns. We teach CPR to the general public as means to prevent deaths from cardiac arrest, why can't we understand that teaching people about gun ownership and proper usage to protect property is a protection for the general public overall.

The state must disarm the public, and make it ever more difficult to own a gun, for the public might actually stand up to the organized looters at some point. There has never been, nor ever will be a mass shooting at any gun show. It is literally one of the safest places to be.

More guns, less crime ; but what that really means is less police and less government. And the monopolists can't have that. So your tax dollars go toward the indoctrination of the people to disarm themselves. This makes for more efficient looting by common criminals and the state.

[AFPVet]

Seems like the job requirements for a government enforcer.

Exactly.

[osan]

That's nuts.

World's a nutty place.

I think what you meant to say was "enforcement of common law",

Better yet, enforcement of the principles of liberty to which all are bound.

[cheapseats]

Should intelligent psychopaths who lack empathy, own guns? = BAIT.

Would you rather be right, AND SCARE THE BEJEEZUS OUTTA SOFT SUBURBANITES . . . or sit out a CIRCLE-JERK argument you've had DOZENS of times before?

The arguments "naturally" occurring in EXTREME HYPOTHETICALS are not NOT NOT likely to induce Soccer Moms and Muffin Top Dads to cozy up to Libertarians, I mean, LIBERTARIAN-LEANING REPUBLICANS.

[pcosmar]

Should intelligent psychopaths who lack empathy, own guns? = BAIT.

Would you rather be right, AND SCARE THE BEJEEZUS OUTTA SOFT SUBURBANITES . . . or sit out a CIRCLE-JERK argument you've had DOZENS of times before?

The arguments "naturally" occurring in EXTREME HYPOTHETICALS are not NOT NOT likely to induce Soccer Moms and Muffin Top Dads to cozy up to Libertarians, I mean, LIBERTARIAN-LEANING REPUBLICANS.

Pretty much.
It was a troll thread in response to the Norway shooting.

It should more accurately been.

Should Mental Testing be done for rights to be exercised?

Or perhaps,
Should all Americans undergo Mental Testing?

To speak
to vote
To sit on a Jury
To own tools

etc.etc.etc.

[cheapseats]

Pretty much.
It was a troll thread in response to the Norway shooting.

It should more accurately been.

Should Mental Testing be done for rights to be exercised?


Or perhaps,
Should all Americans undergo Mental Testing?

To speak
to vote
To sit on a Jury
To own tools

etc.etc.etc.

Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN: "My client's a moron. That's not against the law."

[KingRobbStark]

I have a feeling pubjohn47 is Bachmann trolling this thread in order to steal more of our talking points.

Or this could be a clueless liberal.

[osan]

...clueless liberal.

Department of Redundancy Department.

[Mini-Me]

Breivik, The mass murderer of children appears to be an intelligent, well-educated individual and a competent businessman, who owned a successful farm.

Nothing in either his life story or even in this unprecedented atrocity smacks of wild insanity.


The Norwegian mass murderer of children ,Breivik, was able to perpetrate this monstrous deed is partly a reflection of the extremely liberal gun laws that operate in Scandinavia.


It was this freedom that gave Breivik easy access to high-calibre weaponry.

Moreover, his work as a farmer meant that he could acquire fertiliser for his bomb-making without raising any suspicions.

Ref : http://www.perthnow.com.au/a-glimpse...-1226101378747


Comment:

Should everybody who wants to own a gun or purchase large quantities of fertilizer be subject to a brain scan that detects psychopathic, unempathetic behavior ?


Ref : http://www.mendeley.com/research/bra...g-psychopaths/

First, your question presupposes centralized and controlled distribution channels for firearms. This element of control is prohibitively dangerous in and of itself, because the whole point of the Second Amendment is to ensure the people - not the government - are ultimately in control of their destiny.

Second, your question presupposes an honestly administered test. However, psychopaths are extremely overrepresented in positions of power (they are attracted to them more than anyone else, and they have the charm and ruthlessness to excel and be promoted)...so do you really think any mandated psychological test or brain scan would be an honest one (and continue to be indefinitely)? Think about it. As pcosmar said,

Seems like the job requirements for a government enforcer.

Third, any [non-governmental] psychopath who intends on using a weapon for nefarious purposes already has no respect for the law, by definition...and so unlike law-abiding citizens, they'll still get their weapons...just from the black market. In this sense, the poll is misleading: I may not WANT psychopaths to own guns, but there is NO way to prevent them from doing so en masse (you can, however, prevent ordinary people from having the means to withstand aggression...that's always an option ). The governmental psychopaths will always have access, and the non-governmental psychopaths will find ways (unlike most others).

I constantly advocate awareness of psychopaths, sociopathic narcissists, etc., and I'm always telling people to learn the signs and familiarize themselves with Hare's PCL-R. Educating people about the reality of truly conscienceless people is one of the most important things we can do...but mark my words: The government - any and all government - is and always will be ground zero for psychopathy, because of what government is (a monopoly on the legal use of force) and represents (control and power over other people). The only feasible way to limit the impact of psychopaths is to limit and undermine the mechanism of centralized control. Any attempt by the state/government/law/etc. to label people and use that to deprive them of their rights is going to end badly...and anyone in a position of power who comes up with plans to do so is quite likely to be a psychopath in the first place.

[acptulsa]

POLL: Should the banning of a troll automatically be accompanied by the locking of all their troll threads?

Can we stop bumping this stupidity yet?

[Mini-Me]

POLL: Should the banning of a troll automatically be accompanied by the locking of all their troll threads?

Can we stop bumping this stupidity yet?

Ah, sorry. I just signed in, saw the OP, and shot off a reply in horror and digust.

[yourviewpoints]

Should all Americans undergo Mental Testing?

It should be part of free health care to test a person's mental stability and accordingly we can help them, either through medication, therapy or both

[pcosmar]

It should be part of free health care to test a person's mental stability and accordingly we can help them, either through medication, therapy or both

There is NO "Free Health Care". There never will be.

Now you are supporting assaulting people against their will?
GTFO

[brushfire]

[yourviewpoints]

There is NO "Free Health Care". There never will be.

Now you are supporting assaulting people against their will?
GTFO

Free mental health testing should be optional unless they want to buy guns. Would you let a person like Brevik buy a gun ?

[pcosmar]

Free mental health testing should be optional unless they want to buy guns. Would you let a person like Brevik buy a gun ?

There is nothing free. Everything costs.
"Mental health" has been used by several governments to lock up anyone who disagrees with them.
Mental Health industry is and has been deeply involved in government mind control and manipulation.
They are NOT to be trusted.

And ADD to that,, I have no idea who Brevik is or why he did anything. I have propaganda and speculation. Both could be wrong.

I have no reason to believe that he was Mentally deranged. I suspect he was either hired or manipulated into this action.
In either case "brain scans" would be irrelevant.

[pcosmar]

Free mental health testing should be optional unless they want to buy guns. Would you let a person like Brevik buy a gun ?

From your identical position I suspect you are PubJohn47?, recreated right after banning.
Is this true?

[crusader911]

A gunman wielding an AK47 opened fire on a table of uniformed National Guard members at an IHOP restaurant Tuesday in Carson City, Nev., killing three people and wounding eight others.

The shooter's motive was unclear, but family members said he had mental health issues.

http://www.freep.com/article/2011090...ot-gunman-dies

How can a man with mental health issues buy a machine gun ?

[AuH20]

A gunman wielding an AK47 opened fire on a table of uniformed National Guard members at an IHOP restaurant Tuesday in Carson City, Nev., killing three people and wounding eight others.

The shooter's motive was unclear, but family members said he had mental health issues.

http://www.freep.com/article/2011090...ot-gunman-dies

How can a man with mental health issues buy a machine gun ?

With enough money, the insane can buy pounds of C4 without an explosives license. Motivation supersedes the legal access to such tools 99% of the time.

[brushfire]

[crusader911]

Why is the weapon of choice of every mass murderer a gun ?

[Krugerrand]

Why is the weapon of choice of every mass murderer a gun ?

Please return when you at least make factually correct statements.

[pcosmar]

Why is the weapon of choice of every mass murderer a gun ?

It is not.
Many chose Bombs. Some have used Chemical or Biological weapons in the past.

It does seem in the last few (40 to 50) years that drug induced killers have chosen guns. This oddly coincides with both a government mind control project and Gun control.

[crusader911]

Please return when you at least make factually correct statements.

I am talking about mass murderers in the US.

Why do mass murderers in the US choose guns more than any other weapon ?

[crusader911]

Please return when you at least make factually correct statements.

■Murders total – 13636
■Murders with handguns – 6452 (47.32%)
■Murders with rifles – 348 (2.55%)
■Murders with shotguns – 418 (3.07%)
■Murders with unknown firearms – 1928 (14.14%)
■Murder with knives or cutting instruments – 1825 (13.38%)
■Murders with other weapons – 1864 (13.67%)
■Murders with hands, fists, feet etc.. – 801 (5.87%)


http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/201...f-weapon-used/

[pcosmar]

A gunman wielding an AK47 opened fire on a table of uniformed National Guard members at an IHOP restaurant Tuesday in Carson City, Nev., killing three people and wounding eight others.

The shooter's motive was unclear, but family members said he had mental health issues.

http://www.freep.com/article/2011090...ot-gunman-dies

How can a man with mental health issues buy a machine gun ?

Ah,, so you restarted this retarded thread.

Ok lets start with. There was no "machine gun".
he had a common semi-auto rifle.

Secondly,,, Define Mental Illness.

Was this a know "side effect" of medication prescribed to him?

[Krugerrand]

I am talking about mass murderers in the US.

Why do mass murderers in the US choose guns more than any other weapon ?

It would be presumptuous of me to try and answer that question.

What method would you prefer mass murderers use?

[brushfire]

http://gunfacts.info/

[Krugerrand]

■Murders total – 13636
■Murders with handguns – 6452 (47.32%)
■Murders with rifles – 348 (2.55%)
■Murders with shotguns – 418 (3.07%)
■Murders with unknown firearms – 1928 (14.14%)
■Murder with knives or cutting instruments – 1825 (13.38%)
■Murders with other weapons – 1864 (13.67%)
■Murders with hands, fists, feet etc.. – 801 (5.87%)


http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/201...f-weapon-used/

I'd be exceptionally curious to see how many of those guns were illegally owned.

If you were to advocate laws to prevent/restrict gun ownership/usage - why should we assume the a gun law would stop somebody from murdering when obviously laws against murder do not do the trick.