View Poll Results: Do you honor the national anthem at events?

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Thread: Do you honor the national anthem?

  1. #1

    Do you honor the national anthem?

    in terms of placing your hand across your chest, taking off your hat, facing the flag, stopping what you were otherwise doing, and/or mouthing along to the words.

    Really had to think about it the last time I did it. Feels like a submissive act towards the state at this point to be honest. I love my country, but I don't want to blindly bow down to the state.
    Last edited by Havax; 08-17-2012 at 03:54 PM.



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    In Vancouver Washington, when Ron was there, they didn't have a flag, so one of the people who put the rally on asked if it was ok to say the pledge to a pocket Constitution. The crowd loved it, and so do I, actually.

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  4. #3
    As a Christian, I do not. As a free human being, I do not. As a decendant of pioneers and trailblazers, I do not.
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  5. #4
    Thread updated: meant to say national anthem, not pledge of allegiance. But if you don't do one, you probably don't do the either, either.

  6. #5
    At a game i usually stand and do light exercise and stretching while the sheep bleet. That way i won't be tazed and arrested.

  7. #6
    I stand, in respect of those who have been fooled before. I might take a hat off.

    I recite nothing. I pledge nothing to no one, besides those I love, and pledge through my actions every day. I tell them that personally, and it's not a group chant sort of thing.

    I would not mind pledging something like "to do the best I can." That's not at all what that pledge is. Once I was old enough to figure out what they were doing to me (which is embarrassingly old, imo), I stopped.
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  8. #7
    The Star spangled Banner still chokes me up a little, even more so now that it has become such a sham.

  9. #8
    I use to, not anymore... Feels too submissive.



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  11. #9
    I only stand if I'm with family and don't want to bring attention to them. Don't place my hand over my chest or recite anything, though.
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  12. #10
    I don't praise the flag or the constitution. The entire concept baffles me and if you truly understand liberty then it should baffle you.
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  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by DGambler View Post
    I use to, not anymore... Feels too submissive.
    I used to as well. Until looking at the honest reality rather than the fantasy.

    America had so much hope 200 years ago.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by AGRP View Post
    I don't praise the flag or the constitution. The entire concept baffles me and if you truly understand liberty then it should baffle you.
    +1 I'm required to bow to the flag before and after formal kung fu practice. I truly loathe it, but do it out of respect to custom.
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    I will stand respectfully during the Anthem. The Pledge of Allegiance is another matter though. I can't say that and not feel dirty.
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  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by libertyjam View Post
    The Star spangled Banner still chokes me up a little, even more so now that it has become such a sham.

    Yes, I get choked up in the same manner.

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  17. #15
    I do honor the national anthem. I love the question at the end. It ends with a question, you know? An important one. We aught to recognize it just for that fact.

    The pledge, however, I do not.

  18. #16
    I have printed up on a 3 x 5 card which I make sure to stick in my pocket when I'm going to be subjected to such nonsense as the pledge or anthem, the following.

    I stand with everybody else and recite:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-17-2012 at 06:35 PM.



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by enjerth View Post
    I do honor the national anthem. I love the question at the end. It ends with a question, you know? An important one. We aught to recognize it just for that fact.

    The pledge, however, I do not.
    The flag still flies, but not over a free people.

  21. #18
    Aye I do honor the anthem, I still love America just not the government of America.
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  22. #19
    Yes. I don't say the Pledge of Allegiance though:

    The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898).
    Bellamy salute:


  23. #20
    Bellamy was more of a fascist, IIRC.
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  24. #21
    I usually stand but don't say anything. I'll take a hat off if I'm wearing it. Societal pressures and all that.
    Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and that his justice cannot sleep forever. Thomas Jefferson

  25. #22
    This is not a form of brainwashing...

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  26. #23
    I do have one favore part.

    "... and to the Republic ..."
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by BSU kid View Post
    Aye I do honor the anthem, I still love America just not the government of America.
    ^^This.

    I'm guessing that most on this board love this country...that's why we're fighting so hard for it, right?



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  29. #25
    The pledge seems like something our Federal officials should say. They should pledge allegiance and service to Us, the united people and states who created their offices.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    I do have one favore part.

    "... and to the Republic ..."
    Yep. Screw democracy.
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  31. #27
    I selected "no" since I don't believe I honor the national anthem, but I am just as respectful at sporting events where it is played as I would be visiting the temples of any religions that I don't personally practice. I remove my hat and I stand out of respect for my neighbors and their religion. I do not place my hand on my heart since that is a salute, and I don't sing along. I also do not judge those that honor the national anthem.

    Aside from all of the flag worship, I have no problem with the gist of the song since it celebrates a defensive battle on American soil and not a foreign expedition or empire expansion. The battle is consistent with just war theory.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    +1 I'm required to bow to the flag before and after formal kung fu practice. I truly loathe it, but do it out of respect to custom.
    Yeah. There's gray areas with questions like this. Burning the flag or desecrating it for example. Id get pissed off just as much as anyone else and do what I can to stop it.
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  33. #29
    This goes right to the heart of my transformation over the last ten years.

    The anthem still holds water, the pledge.........no.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by AGRP View Post
    Yeah. There's gray areas with questions like this. Burning the flag or desecrating it for example. Id get pissed off just as much as anyone else and do what I can to stop it.
    Why? It's someone else's property, and they can do what they want with it. Besides, the modern flag is symbolic of an empire, not a republic. I prefer the Gadsden flag, myself-though I don't care for symbols much. I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.
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