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A lot of us have been saying that they will foment social unrest by having local cops stand down so that the terrified populace begs for more police state. Happening in key locations of course. This COULD NOT happen in most southern states. It’s obvious that it’s working because most of the regulars on a “liberty” forum don’t see through all this manipulation. Why are we okay with federal buildings being built in any state that requires soldiers to throw dumb ass 20 year olds into minivans and disappear them? Not only that but cheer it on? That’s a very slippery slope.
I don’t care for these Antifa $#@!s. Get that straight.
Incrementalism. Learn it. Conservatives loving their police state is every bit as harmful to liberty as the leftists supporting Antifa. The only difference is that your burkas are different colors.
Honestly though, we've mentioned it in this thread before. Mob groups that use violence and intimidation for political gain are eerily similar to what happened in Germany in the 1930s. In fact the WORST of the tyrants on record used this strategy to come into power. They didn't just start at the top and slam everyone beneath them —too obvious.
I don't care for police states. Get that straight.
Incrementalism. Learn it. Liberals loving their violent mobs is every bit as harmful to liberty as the rightists supporting secret police. The only difference is that your burkas are different colors.
Frankly we have been EXTREMELY and unduly tolerant of this mob behavior. In Atlanta, Mayor Bottoms, who apparently wants to be president one day, let the mob run wild on University Blvd until finally an 8 year old girl was shot dead just because her parent driving the car was trying to use the road like a normal person. It was black on black crime, but of course that didn't get near the amount of news media coverage as the black guy who was shot while trying to fire a taser at a white officer.
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Originally Posted by Philhelm
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Southern States wouldn’t let dipsh T# kids occupy a city for 2 months, graffitiing & stopping people from making a living.
Cut the baloney & stop defending obvious criminality
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I am fortunate that I am no longer stuck in the "liberal" and "conservative" continuum and see both sides as equally dangerous to my liberty. We agree on that. We also agree that we are seeing a lot of 1930's Germany happening.
My suggestion for Atlanta's residents is take care of your own problems and quit asking Mayor Bottoms and Governor Kemp to fix your $#@!.
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^^^^^This this this!^^^^^
The longer this $#@! goes on, the more uncomfortable it gets even for those who haven't clued in yet, and the more reasonable your sensible suggestion begins to look to them. It's already happening in some places. It'll happen more as time goes on.
Chris
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Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
I will admit that was my opinion as well, initially.
However, it seems to be unreasonable when you take it to extremes. Someone stole your weed-whacker? Deal with it yourself. Bank committed fraud against you? Deal with it yourself. Someone murdered your kid? Deal with it yourself. These examples are the very reasons we have a government in the first place. Granted, 99.99999 percent of the time the government is out doing things it isn't supposed to be doing. Then it actually fulfills its purpose and someone comes on here trying to make us feel guilty because, well, we actually don't really mind.
I'm sorry, but sometimes relying on a sudden groundswell of generic people to rise up and restore order just isn't practical. For one, we talk a lot of talk about how these things would play out in libertarianopia, but by and large it rarely happens, and even if it does happen, it doesn't always turn into the ideal outcome that so many people seem to think it would be. I mean, we all saw what CHOP/CHAZ/whatever looked like. No government for weeks, and by the time all the crackhead animals moved into the zoo, it didn't look like a destination I'd ask my travel agent to arrange a vacation for me.
Supposing you could get a citizens militia to rise up and patrol the streets, it's not far fetched to think someone else raises one to contest your authority (I mean, what right do you have, after all?), and I'm just scratching my head as to how that is somehow less divisive than the people on here who claim we're just stuck in red team/blue team nonsense.
Let's be clear: We're chastised for not reaching out to people on the left because we disagree with them now, but if the system breaks down and this plays out like I predict it will, it's somehow fine if we devolve into a 'might-makes-right' form of unofficial governance. Which, ironically, in essence, becomes a government by any other name. I just don't see it as a preferable outcome.
I'm not trying to insult you here, but I really wish we'd think it all the way through, and consider all possible consequences. It seems much less an invitation for tragedy for these people to be arrested and tried by a government (even if it doesn't have the specific authority), because we all know that from the ashes of civil unrest, a "hero" politician rises to 'greatness'.
I support their right to a fair trial, but that's as far as I go. I do not think it is acceptable for them to continue to ruin the lives of people who are left at the mercy of what are essentially self-appointed warlords.
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T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
Why do people bother with fake troll questions that are mental masturbation and just used to make fools out of the entire forum? It's not like we're politicians in a debate and have to sweat over every question.
Just because someone lays out an issue doesn't mean you have to invest all your sweat equity.
I thought this was an activist forum. I suggest focusing on issues where you can make a difference.
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Local law enforcement should be handling this but they aren't, there are corrupt officials protecting and enabling these riots who in a just world would be getting bagged themselves.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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Where did the kidnapped ones go and are they back?
Heard that some folks who have been snatched up were released without being charged
The United States is not Russia, China or Iran were these people are killed & never heard from again
Honestly Federal law enforcement has shown nice amount of restraint
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Which goes to @slavementality's point. In a masterful way they've conned both "sides" into supporting federalized local police over the same contrived unrest. Which, quite frankly, is one of the worst things that could possibly happen. Despite the schadenfreude I experience watching...
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
I get it man. I have been around for some years too. I am not necessarily advocating for everyone to go out and buy ARs and start wandering the streets like Mogadishu. What I am saying, and it appears to miss the mark because I don't spend much time with flowery words, is that YOU are ultimately responsible for your life. This includes security. If we need governments (I disagree with this premise) to provide this then it is the people that live within these systems (Atlanta for our example) to do what it takes to make it work. That includes many options. Mine would be to move the hell away from Mogadishu. I do understand that's not an option for some and for those I feel bad for. They have options as well, unless we want to classify our fellow humans as helpless.
I don't subscribe to Libertopia or Anarchoheaven, but do know that government has never been the answer. The biggest, baddest, and most violent warlord in history is already roaming the streets. Might already does make right. They just wear suits, live in mansions, and have drivers.
Most of us agree with limited government. Very limited. That's not what this is.
To summarize: I prefer to take my chances living in possible chaos than live in certain tyranny. I know that sounds strange at first, but it's the only way for me. I don't get insulted around here, so I hope my response doesn't come across as any kind of attack. I know who the enemies are and you aren't one of them.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
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