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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    I'm not a fan of denominations....no. I attend a Reformed Baptist church.
    Why are you against denominations?
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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Why? Don't you know that the Bible teaches that just the mere belief in Jesus as diety is not sufficiently a Christian belief?
    What the Bible "says" is up for much interpretation and debate. Then there's the fact that one cannot even determine which translation is supposed to be "God's"
    translation. Then there's the fact that different manuscripts have different wordings. Then there's the fact that the earliest manuscripts were written at least 100 years after Christ. Then there's the certainty that even those manuscripts have been altered...

    Is this sufficient??
    BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"

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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    yes, Kumbaya my special snowflake!

    the Lion sleeps tonight....
    Since you cannot respond with anything except mockery does that mean you don't have any real argument??
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  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    What the Bible "says" is up for much interpretation and debate. Then there's the fact that one cannot even determine which translation is supposed to be "God's"
    translation. Then there's the fact that different manuscripts have different wordings. Then there's the fact that the earliest manuscripts were written at least 100 years after Christ. Then there's the certainty that even those manuscripts have been altered...

    Is this sufficient??
    interesting. what about Anarchy?
    is it up for much interpretation and debate?

    you are so coy.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Since you cannot respond with anything except mockery does that mean you don't have any real argument??
    Dude, I am conversing with a "Christian-Anarchist"..
    what were you expecting?

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Since you cannot respond with anything except mockery does that mean you don't have any real argument??
    No. He doesn't. Hasn't for a long while.



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    No. He doesn't. Hasn't for a long while.
    Your order is your order and my order is my order. Where there is a conflict, we resolve it in any way we choose. If you threaten violence against me I respond in kind. If you offer a peaceful resolution we both prosper. It doesn't take long for people to realize that the violence is neither profitable nor safe...
    please advise. Sir. I BEG your forgiveness. where did I go wrong?

    would this have been more appropriate sir?

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    interesting. what about Anarchy?
    is it up for much interpretation and debate?

    you are so coy.
    It is up for debate. I think most people will accept the "no rulers" definition though.

    As to your concern about "self rule" being unfathomable for you, the only alternative to "self-rule" is "someone-else-rule" If you think that is "LIBERTY" you are confused. No one says self-rule is without problems but I'll take the problems of self-rule to the problems of tyranny any day...
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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    It is up for debate. I think most people will accept the "no rulers" definition though.

    As to your concern about "self rule" being unfathomable for you, the only alternative to "self-rule" is "someone-else-rule" If you think that is "LIBERTY" you are confused. No one says self-rule is without problems but I'll take the problems of self-rule to the problems of tyranny any day...
    "Americans" should ALL be forgiven. for struggling to discuss these subjects.

    given the level of propaganda and lack of education that we have ALL been subjected to.
    it is no wonder that civility is in short order.

    I will count you Sir. as a gentleman among ruffians.

    ode to the
    "State"...

    Last edited by HVACTech; 11-10-2016 at 10:46 PM.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    you sir. are the biggest POS that I have ever known.

    the ONLY reason that a "Federation" was formed in the $#@!ING FIRST PLACE.
    was the need for defense.

    it was designed as a limited, mutual defense pact.
    you ignorant $#@!.
    What the $#@! is wrong with you?

    Neg rep and reported.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  13. #101

    Question

    I don't know if most people who would subscribed to Libertarianism as religious. It is believed that without a religion to follow people just do as they please.

    I think what is wrong with this is, the religion aspect can't be used to guide a nation. It is hard to create a society with a religion that isn't some kind of person upstairs. The founders themselves weren't perfect. Every culture and era has their problems.

    The fact that christianity has so many different versions of it, and Islam and not forgetting Judiasm this isn't really the way to deal with the world. The UN human rights charter is a start, even that has a flaw. Overpopulation.

  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    I don't know if most people who would subscribed to Libertarianism as religious. It is believed that without a religion to follow people just do as they please.

    I think what is wrong with this is, the religion aspect can't be used to guide a nation. It is hard to create a society with a religion that isn't some kind of person upstairs. The founders themselves weren't perfect. Every culture and era has their problems.

    The fact that christianity has so many different versions of it, and Islam and not forgetting Judiasm this isn't really the way to deal with the world. The UN human rights charter is a start, even that has a flaw. Overpopulation.
    You socialists sure have a twisted view.

    and as a point,
    I have no religion. I do have Faith.
    and though Libertarian I am a Christian Believer. an irreligious one.

    so your first point is both moot and false.

    and the rest is muttered confusion.
    sad really
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  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    You socialists sure have a twisted view.

    and as a point,
    I have no religion. I do have Faith.
    and though Libertarian I am a Christian Believer. an irreligious one.

    so your first point is both moot and false.

    and the rest is muttered confusion.
    sad really

    Sound like I found a fellow "Christian Anarchist"...

    Many of the so-called "Church" do not feel that I'm even a "Christian" because my beliefs are so far from what they teach. About the only place our views cross is on the belief in a "Creator" and the sacrifice He made to redeem us. In fact, that's about all I believe in for certain. All other "teachings" I have doubts about and really don't spend much time trying to prove or disprove...
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    Sonmi 451: Truth is singular. Its "versions" are mistruths.

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  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What the $#@! is wrong with you?

    Neg rep and reported.
    @Anti Federalist. Pretty sure you have found your "one star stalker."



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    Why are you against denominations?
    I understand that God intends that there be false religions so that the truth will be separate and known. But generally, I am not happy that there are so many false religions in the land.

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    @Anti Federalist. Pretty sure you have found your "one star stalker."
    Yeah, kind of figured that for a while now.

    For the record, yeah, I reported him, but never called for a ban.

    Guy's either trolling or unhinged.

  20. #107
    Also, for the record for those that didn't go back and read his comment.

    It was not directed at me, it was directed at JMDrake.

    I'm used to it and expect it.

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    The UN human rights charter is a start, even that has a flaw. Overpopulation.
    A start to what, exactly?

    The charter, in a word, is crap. To wit: UN Declaration of Human Rights - The Preamble

    This is a cursory analysis of the language of the charter, which is a sloppily cobbled raft of nonsense that seems good to some when taken with a complete lack of criticality. The most casual examination immediately reveals that it is written in dangerously inept fashion, almost certainly with intention.
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    I don't know if most people who would subscribed to Libertarianism as religious. It is believed that without a religion to follow people just do as they please.

    I think what is wrong with this is, the religion aspect can't be used to guide a nation. It is hard to create a society with a religion that isn't some kind of person upstairs. The founders themselves weren't perfect. Every culture and era has their problems.

    The fact that christianity has so many different versions of it, and Islam and not forgetting Judiasm this isn't really the way to deal with the world. The UN human rights charter is a start, even that has a flaw. Overpopulation.
    Do you propose that we just suppress our knowledge that God exists?

    Even if we did that, that suppression of our knowledge of God would be as religious in nature as our worship and obedience of him would be.

  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    I understand that God intends that there be false religions so that the truth will be separate and known. But generally, I am not happy that there are so many false religions in the land.
    I don't like that either. We should have an established Presbyterian church based upon the Westminster Standards And ban non-Christian religion per Deut 13
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    I don't like that either. We should have an established Presbyterian church based upon the Westminster Standards And ban non-Christian religion per Deut 13
    The Westminster standards compromise on Biblical truth in several ways.

    What does Deuteronomy 13 have to do with the state outlawing another religion?

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    The Westminster standards compromise on Biblical truth in several ways.
    Can you list those for me? Its been too long since we've had a debate :P


    What does Deuteronomy 13 have to do with the state outlawing another religion?
    it lays down a fundamental principle of God's justice. Preaching false religions should be punished by death by the civil authorities (yeah... I'm still here for some reason, mostly to talk religion LOL! )
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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    Preaching false religions should be punished by death by the civil authorities
    The Bible says this no where. And if a single Christian country started doing this there would be worldwide pogroms against Christians. We don't get to impose our will on others, we're the hated minority.
    Stop believing stupid things

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    The Bible says this no where. And if a single Christian country started doing this there would be worldwide pogroms against Christians. We don't get to impose our will on others, we're the hated minority.
    Deuteronomy 13. Mind there's a bit more exegesis to do than that but that's hardly "the Bible says that nowhere." That said Psalm 2 does talk about the nations being in the hands of the heathen for a time
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  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    Can you list those for me? Its been too long since we've had a debate :P

    it lays down a fundamental principle of God's justice. Preaching false religions should be punished by death by the civil authorities (yeah... I'm still here for some reason, mostly to talk religion LOL! )
    No it doesn't. The church is now the Israel of God and excommunication is the proper punishment for preaching false religion. That is why Paul commanded excommunication rather than the death penalty.

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    No it doesn't. The church is now the Israel of God and excommunication is the proper punishment for preaching false religion. That is why Paul commanded excommunication rather than the death penalty.
    If this argument were true it would prove too much. Is excommunication now the proper penalty for murder too instead of civil punishment? In the minds of an ancient person incest would have been much as repulsive. I think its pretty clear that Paul is commanding the church to act as the church in its ecclesiastical sphere while living under a tyranny, not promoting the abolition of the State.
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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    What the Bible "says" is up for much interpretation and debate. Then there's the fact that one cannot even determine which translation is supposed to be "God's"
    translation. Then there's the fact that different manuscripts have different wordings. Then there's the fact that the earliest manuscripts were written at least 100 years after Christ. Then there's the certainty that even those manuscripts have been altered...

    Is this sufficient??
    But you said a belief that Jesus is God is the only thing that determines Christian belief.

    How do you even know that besides interpreting that from those supposedly faulty texts you mention?

    In other words, you just undermined your entire argument.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Liberty View Post
    Deuteronomy 13. Mind there's a bit more exegesis to do than that but that's hardly "the Bible says that nowhere." That said Psalm 2 does talk about the nations being in the hands of the heathen for a time
    That applied to ancient Israel, which no longer exists. The New Testament contains no instructions for how Christians should govern once they constitute a majority in an area.
    Stop believing stupid things

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    That applied to ancient Israel, which no longer exists. The New Testament contains no instructions for how Christians should govern once they constitute a majority in an area.
    What remains is the abiding moral law of God that gives all the principles for life for all of time.

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    But you said a belief that Jesus is God is the only thing that determines Christian belief.

    How do you even know that besides interpreting that from those supposedly faulty texts you mention?

    In other words, you just undermined your entire argument.
    I guess you misunderstood (don't worry, it's a common malady). I said the texts are not perfect. I did not say they are useless. There is some "truth" in those texts and one must sort out what they believe is correct from what they believe is not correct. I'm sorry but there is NO perfect way to do this. I do not know if what I believe is "correct" any more than I know if what you believe is "correct". I am following my convictions based on what my spirit believes to be true (non-violence, God is love, etc). I do not care to run your life nor your beliefs. Peace be unto you and live long and prosper and all that stuff. This is about my "beliefs" and I'm more than happy to share them with you...

    They are only "beliefs" and not laws. I do not intend to push them on anyone...
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