Nelson Mandela 'Proven' To Be Communist Party Member, After Decades of Denial

[FrankRep]

How to be a Good Communist, by Nelson Mandela



Nelson Mandela 'proven' to be a member of the Communist Party after decades of denial
A new book claims that, 50 years after he was first accused of being a Communist, Nelson Mandela was a Communist party member after all.


Telegraph UK
08 Dec 2012


For decades, it was one of the enduring disputes of South Africa's anti-apartheid struggle. Was Nelson Mandela, the leader of the African National Congress, really a secret Communist, as the white-only government of the time alleged? Or, as he claimed during the infamous 1963 trial that saw him jailed for life, was it simply a smear to discredit him in a world riven by Cold War tensions?

Now, nearly half a century after the court case that made him the world's best-known prisoner of conscience, a new book claims that whatever the wider injustice perpetrated, the apartheid-era prosecutors were indeed right on one question: Mr Mandela was a Communist party member after all.

The former South African president, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1993, has always denied being a member of the South African branch of the movement, which mounted an armed campaign of guerrilla resistance along with the ANC.

But research by a British historian, Professor Stephen Ellis, has unearthed fresh evidence that during his early years as an activist, Mr Mandela did hold senior rank in the South African Communist Party, or SACP. He says Mr Mandela joined the SACP to enlist the help of the Communist superpowers for the ANC's campaign of armed resistance to white rule.
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While other SACP members have previously confirmed Mr Mandela's party membership, many of their testimonies were given under duress in police interviews, where they might have sought to implicate him. However, the minutes from the 1982 SACP meeting, said Prof Ellis, offered more reliable proof. "This is written in a closed party meeting so nobody is trying to impress or mislead the public," he said.

Although Mr Mandela appears to have joined the SACP more for their political connections than their ideas, his membership could have damaged his standing in the West had it been disclosed while he was still fighting to dismantle apartheid.

Africa was a Cold War proxy battleground until the end of the 1980s, and international support for his cause, which included the Free Nelson Mandela campaign in Britain, drew partly on his image as a compromise figure loyal neither to East nor West.
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Full Story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...of-denial.html

[dillo]

People don't celebrate him for his economic ideas.

[FrankRep]

People don't celebrate him for his economic ideas.

That's why Progressive Leftists celebrate him: He's a "communist terrorist thug."

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"Invictus" and the Truth About Mandela


John Birch Society
Dec 11, 2009



The image of Mandela among Americans is a man who started out as a protestor of his government’s policy of apartheid only to find himself imprisoned for this peaceful protest. He has been welcomed and honored in almost every capitol around the world. He has had countless streets, parks, monuments, and schools names after him.

The “conservative” President George W. Bush awarded him the Medal of Freedom. Queen Elizabeth II knighted him. The Nobel Peace Prize committee awarded him their prize, just as they did Obama.

And, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics issued a commemorative stamp in his honor in 1988. This is a clue as to who Mandela really is.

There are many, many pictures showing Mandela at communist functions, standing below the hammer and sickle and giving the communist salute. Presiding over communist conventions and other events staged by the South African Communist Party.

These photographs never seemed to make it into The New York Times or Time magazine however. Americans have never been able to receive the entire story about the revolutions that take place overseas, be it in South Africa, Cuba, or Venezuela ― until it is too late. A variety of techniques have been used to deprive us of pertinent facts, but none have been more successful than simply not reporting or showing the facts. You do not need to twist the facts, only withhold the facts.

For in truth, Mandela is nothing more than a communist terrorist thug, placed in prison because he was about to launch a terrorist campaign against South Africans, aimed more against the black population than the white.

Indeed, while in prison Mandela’s then wife, Winnie, was screaming in every speech that they would use their necklaces and matches to further the revolution. This was a reference to the automobile tires that they placed over the heads of their victims, soaked in petrol and set ablaze while their anti-communist victims writhed in excruciating pain until death came after twenty minutes to an hour. This was a common occurrence.

Almost always, the victims of these communists were black Africans, the people they told the world that they were working to free. These acts were usually done in broad daylight, on the street to send a message to the black community: opposition to the communist revolution will be met with brutal reprisal.

This is not the grandfatherly image of Mandela given to the world by the media. It says more about the media than it does about Mandela.

And, it says more about Hollywood as well.

Even today, Americans can not be allowed by our controlled media to understand that South Africa has a communist government. Africa is rapidly going communist as are the nations south of our own border. We are being manipulated into keeping our eyes on the Middle East. The danger looms elsewhere.

Communism is really only dead in the minds of the American people. It is too bad that we do not see a reality show in television about that.

[sparebulb]

A few years back, there was a hot thread here on this forum where several alleged free-market, libertarian-leaning Ron Paul supporters here defended Mandela as being the greatest of all human beings. It was a sad testimonial to the power of public school and university education.

[FrankRep]

A few years back, there was a hot thread here on this forum where several alleged free-market, libertarian-leaning Ron Paul supporters here defended Mandela as being the greatest of all human beings. It was a sad testimonial to the power of public school and university education.

Yep. I remember that. I called Nelson Mandela a Communist back then too.


RonPaulForums.com: The Ron Paul Nelson Mandela comparison
March 22, 2011

Furthermore, Mandela and Ron Paul are both strong advocates for peace and advocates of liberty. I know that Mandela had some communist ties, but to the average American Mandela is seen very positively.

We should draw the comparison.

Comparing Ron Paul to a Communist?

[JustinTime]

People don't celebrate him for his economic ideas.

Communism is much more than a mere economic idea.

[AGRP]

These days, Zionism seems to be a bigger issue. How many people have died from it?

[FrankRep]

A few years back, there was a hot thread here on this forum where several alleged free-market, libertarian-leaning Ron Paul supporters here defended Mandela as being the greatest of all human beings. It was a sad testimonial to the power of public school and university education.

Actually, here's the thread you're talking about from 2010. I still called him a Communist. heh.

Thoughts on Nelson Mandela? Thoughts on the movie?
Jan. 04, 2010

[itshappening]

the commie is on his deathbed.

[awake]

Communism is the current word for a terrible and timeless idea. The idea might work in Eden, but it is slavery and extinction in the physical world.

[idiom]

Bloody communists standing up for individualism all time...

[JustinTime]

These days, Zionism seems to be a bigger issue. How many people have died from it?

Communism was an idea cooked up to allow Zionists to divide populations, first along class lines, and later when Cultural Marxism evolved, along every other line you can think of.

Its envy really. They encourage envy among people, get the majority seething with envy and then to vote themselves (not really themselves, actually Communist demagogues) control of all wealth and power... uh, so that it may redistributed it in a fair manner, of course.

[FrankRep]

Bloody communists standing up for individualism all time...

In reality....


Wikipedia: Nelson Mandela - Armed anti-apartheid activities


In 1961 Mandela became leader of the ANC's armed wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe (translated Spear of the Nation, and also abbreviated MK), which he co-founded. He coordinated sabotage campaigns against military and government targets, making plans for a possible guerrilla war if the sabotage failed to end apartheid. Mandela also raised funds for MK abroad and arranged for paramilitary training of the group.

Fellow ANC member Wolfie Kodesh explains the bombing campaign led by Mandela: "When we knew that we [sic] going to start on 16 December 1961, to blast the symbolic places of apartheid, like pass offices, native magistrates courts, and things like that ... post offices and ... the government offices. But we were to do it in such a way that nobody would be hurt, nobody would get killed." Mandela said of Wolfie: "His knowledge of warfare and his first hand battle experience were extremely helpful to me."

Mandela described the move to armed struggle as a last resort; years of increasing repression and violence from the state convinced him that many years of non-violent protest against apartheid had not and could not achieve any progress.

In June 1961, Mandela sent a letter to South African newspapers warning the government, that if they did not meet their demands, the Umkhonto we Sizwe would embark on a campaign of sabotage. The letter demanded the government accept a call for a national constitutional convention. The demands were not met by the government and beginning on 16 December 1961, the Umkhonto we Sizwe with Mandela as its leader, launched a bombing campaign against government targets with the first action of the campaign being the bombing of an electricity sub-station. In total, over the next eighteen months, the Umkhonto we Sizwe would initiate dozens more acts of sabotage and bombings. The South African government alleged more acts of sabotage had been carried out and at the Rivonia trial the accused would be charged with 193 acts of sabotage in total. The campaign of sabotage against the government included attacks on government posts, machines, power facilities, and crop burning in various places including Johannesburg, Port Elizabeth and Durban.

Later, mostly in the 1980s, MK, the organisation co-founded by Mandela, waged a guerrilla war against the apartheid government in which many civilians became casualties. For example, the Church Street bomb in Pretoria killed 19 people and injured 217. After he had become President, Mandela later admitted that the ANC, in its struggle against apartheid, also violated human rights, criticising those in his own party who attempted to remove statements mentioning this from the reports of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

Until July 2008 Mandela and ANC party members were barred from entering the United States—except to visit the United Nations headquarters in Manhattan—without a special waiver from the US Secretary of State, because of their South African apartheid-era designation as terrorists.

[JustinTime]

In reality....

Well golly, they never told me that in school. U shure dats not racist?

[Zippyjuan]

I guess you won't vote for him for US president, eh? How communist was his government during his rule in South Africa? Actions are more important than claims. Note that the "proves" in the article is in quotation marks. Was he communist or was he seeking support from any group willing to help end the white minority rule in South Africa?

Although Mr Mandela appears to have joined the SACP more for their political connections than their ideas, his membership could have damaged his standing in the West had it been disclosed while he was still fighting to dismantle apartheid.

Africa was a Cold War proxy battleground until the end of the 1980s, and international support for his cause, which included the Free Nelson Mandela campaign in Britain, drew partly on his image as a compromise figure loyal neither to East nor West.

"Nelson Mandela's reputation is based both on his ability to overcome personal animosities and to be magnanimous to all South Africans, white and black, and that is what impressed the world," said Prof Ellis, a former Amnesty International researcher who is based at the Free University of Amsterdam. "But what this shows is that like any politician, he was prepared to make opportunistic alliances.

[PatriotOne]

[PatriotOne]

http://www.rockefellernews.com/22064...elson-mandela/

[FrankRep]

http://www.rockefellernews.com/22064...elson-mandela/

Doesn't surprise me.



Memoirs
- David Rockefeller, 2002

For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

- David Rockefeller, "Memoirs" (page 405)

[daviddee]

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[idiom]

When you replace a tyranny with a republic are you still a communist?

[daviddee]

/..

[sparebulb]

When you replace a tyranny with a republic are you still a communist?

People's Republic of China

[FrankRep]

When you replace a tyranny with a republic are you still a communist?

The early phases of genocide against white farmers are possibly underway with much worse yet to come in largely communist-controlled South Africa.

South Africa Facing White Genocide, Total Communist Takeover


The New American
04 August 2012


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Nelson Mandela: Political party - African National Congress

Jacob Zuma is the President of the African National Congress (ANC), the governing political party, and was Deputy President of South Africa from 1999 to 2005.

The African National Congress (ANC) is South Africa's governing political party, supported by its tripartite alliance with the Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) and the South African Communist Party (SACP), since the establishment of non-racial democracy in April 1994.

[AGRP]

Well, ignoring the 100,000,000 people killed because of leftwing ideologies from 1900-2000.... Yes, Zionism seems so much worse with a body count under 20K.

Israel's body count: http://old.btselem.org/statistics/en...Casualties.asp

Communism's killing spree:

http://www.distributedrepublic.net/a...he-red-plague/

40,000,000 as the low estimate and 250,000,000 on the high side. I believe 100,000,000 to be a very safe number using simply Stalin, Mao, etc.

Communism never disappears... It is just repackaged to keep up with the times. The mindset is genetic.

I like to live in the present. It just seems idiotic to cry about cold war style communism complete with hammer and sickle when present day genocides are fueled by zionism.

[jmdrake]

Right. And that's why white police commanders in South Africa are having their black officers kill black miners. It's all a plot to kill all the white folks.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/2..._police_defend

The early phases of genocide against white farmers are possibly underway with much worse yet to come in largely communist-controlled South Africa.

South Africa Facing White Genocide, Total Communist Takeover


The New American
04 August 2012


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Nelson Mandela: Political party - African National Congress

Jacob Zuma is the President of the African National Congress (ANC), the governing political party, and was Deputy President of South Africa from 1999 to 2005.

The African National Congress (ANC) is South Africa's governing political party, supported by its tripartite alliance with the Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) and the South African Communist Party (SACP), since the establishment of non-racial democracy in April 1994.

[LibertyEagle]

I like to live in the present. It just seems idiotic to cry about cold war style communism complete with hammer and sickle when present day genocides are fueled by zionism.

Communism isn't dead, it just changed names. It's now called communitarianism.

[amy31416]

Maybe white people should have had the morality to know that it's wrong to go into a foreign country and enslave the population to produce riches in the first place. Perhaps then this wouldn't have been such a problem.

Immorality only results in more of the same. That's why I'm against Israel and the US' current bull$#@! in the ME. Leave people the $#@! alone and focus on defense, because there's lots of bad people out there...and even in here.

[LibertyEagle]

Maybe white people should have had the morality to know that it's wrong to go into a foreign country and enslave the population to produce riches in the first place. Perhaps then this wouldn't have been such a problem.

Immorality only results in more of the same. That's why I'm against Israel and the US' current bull$#@! in the ME. Leave people the $#@! alone and focus on defense, because there's lots of bad people out there...and even in here.

Did they "enslave" them, Amy, or did they offer employment?

[amy31416]

Did they "enslave" them, Amy, or did they offer employment?

Both.

I spent a year in SA under apartheid, I know what I'm talking about--it was hell for the black people and it degrades morality. Leave people alone and respect their sovereignty.

[Tpoints]

The early phases of genocide against white farmers are possibly underway with much worse yet to come in largely communist-controlled South Africa.

Did I get that right? Genocide is worse than communism?