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    Baby Steffen

    Surprised I didn't see this discussed here, it was basically Court ordered euthanasia of a 7 month old against the wishes of the parents.

    MSM report - http://myfox8.com/2017/06/09/baby-di...-life-support/ (nothing to see here, move along)

    NonMSM report - http://medicalkidnap.com/2017/06/13/family-seeks-answers-on-babys-death-threatened-arrest-for-trying-to-record-last-moments-of-life/ (terrifying)

    Can't wait to see the usual suspects derail the thread.
    Last edited by DGambler; 06-14-2017 at 07:04 AM.



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    Jesus...smmfh

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    I feel for the parents and I think it should have been left up to them to decide weather or not to take their child off life support. When are people going to accept that the medical industrial complex does not appreciate life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGambler View Post
    Surprised I didn't see this discussed here, it was basically Court ordered euthanasia of a 7 month old against the wishes of the parents.

    MSM report - http://myfox8.com/2017/06/09/baby-di...-life-support/ (nothing to see here, move along)

    NonMSM report - http://medicalkidnap.com/2017/06/13/family-seeks-answers-on-babys-death-threatened-arrest-for-trying-to-record-last-moments-of-life/ (terrifying)

    Can't wait to see the usual suspects derail the thread.
    With the Schiavo case, the media learned that people tend to lean pro-life when there are actual faces attached to the stories. So they stopped the stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    With the Schiavo case, the media learned that people tend to lean pro-life when there are actual faces attached to the stories. So they stopped the stories.
    That's exactly what happened.

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    Here's a video that actually still works:

    http://www.wsmv.com/story/35616022/b...n-life-support

    That Fox station may be getting some heavy traffic to kill the video. Maybe this story will have traction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    I feel for the parents and I think it should have been left up to them to decide weather or not to take their child off life support. When are people going to accept that the medical industrial complex does not appreciate life?
    So the parents that were missing the kids doctors visits should be able to decide to keep the kid on life support indefinitely? At whose expense? It didn't read to me like they had the means to pay for it all themselves. Would the kid have even been put on life support if he hadn't been taken out of their custody? He had a heart defect and was not a good candidate for a transplant, it was just a matter of time. It isn't like the doctors killed the child, they took him off life support and nature took its course. It is a $#@!ty situation all around but the end result was never really in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So the parents that were missing the kids doctors visits should be able to decide to keep the kid on life support indefinitely? At whose expense? It didn't read to me like they had the means to pay for it all themselves. Would the kid have even been put on life support if he hadn't been taken out of their custody? He had a heart defect and was not a good candidate for a transplant, it was just a matter of time. It isn't like the doctors killed the child, they took him off life support and nature took its course. It is a $#@!ty situation all around but the end result was never really in question.
    All this is true.

    The baby was probably on MedicAid. So he was killed in the best interests of the state.



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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So the parents that were missing the kids doctors visits should be able to decide to keep the kid on life support indefinitely? At whose expense? It didn't read to me like they had the means to pay for it all themselves. Would the kid have even been put on life support if he hadn't been taken out of their custody? He had a heart defect and was not a good candidate for a transplant, it was just a matter of time. It isn't like the doctors killed the child, they took him off life support and nature took its course. It is a $#@!ty situation all around but the end result was never really in question.
    His heart was stopped by the drug that was used to kill Michael Jackson if you had read the whole article you may have seen that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So the parents that were missing the kids doctors visits should be able to decide to keep the kid on life support indefinitely? At whose expense? It didn't read to me like they had the means to pay for it all themselves. Would the kid have even been put on life support if he hadn't been taken out of their custody? He had a heart defect and was not a good candidate for a transplant, it was just a matter of time. It isn't like the doctors killed the child, they took him off life support and nature took its course. It is a $#@!ty situation all around but the end result was never really in question.

    They had car trouble, regardless, does missing a doctors appointment give the state the right to kidnap and rule on euthanasing the kid?
    “…I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    His heart was stopped by the drug that was used to kill Michael Jackson if you had read the whole article you may have seen that.
    I thought I had, my bad if I missed that.

    Quote Originally Posted by DGambler View Post
    They had car trouble, regardless, does missing a doctors appointment give the state the right to kidnap and rule on euthanasing the kid?
    I never said the state should have any rights at all. 1 car trouble = multiple missed appointments for a kid with a bad ticker? I feel bad for them all but I don't feel like any of us should be forced to pay for him to remain on life support indefinitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I thought I had, my bad if I missed that.


    I never said the state should have any rights at all. 1 car trouble = multiple missed appointments for a kid with a bad ticker? I feel bad for them all but I don't feel like any of us should be forced to pay for him to remain on life support indefinitely.
    You need to read the 2nd article I linked.
    “…I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I feel bad for them all but I don't feel like any of us should be forced to pay for him to remain on life support indefinitely.
    This is a valid concern no doubt.

    I was also questioning, just the other day, what extraordinary measures to save people with early onset genetic defects like this are doing to the long term health of the gene pool. I know that sounds harsh, but it is something to be considered, as these defective genes are liable to be passed on to future generations and mutate in unknown ways.

    All that being said, it seems to me that there were other options open, there are a number of charitable hospitals that do incredible work all across the country, at reduced or no cost to the patient or family.

    This is a glimpse of our glorious socialist future under "single payer" health care, which you are going to see in 5 years or less.

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    Just a short time before he was removed from life support, Baby Steffen was kicking his feet and moving his arms in response to his family. While his parents still pleaded for his life and for time with their baby, Lisa tried to record her grandson’s final moments.

    She reports that a Vanderbilt police officer told her to stop recording:

    I’m getting ready to arrest you.
    And just when I think I might be allowing myself the slightest opportunity to give cops the benefit of doubt, or a little sympathy, like in this morning's shooting in Virginia, I read something like this.

    $#@! 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This is a valid concern no doubt.
    Absolutely it is valid. How does it help me to be robbed to pay for ongoing extremely expensive measures for this kid? It doesn't.

    At the same time, how does it help me to have the state be taking away custody of children from their parents, and then deciding, arbitrarily, to kill them? That really doesn't help me either. Bad precedent. That creates a risky and toxic situation to navigate.

    I was also questioning, just the other day, what extraordinary measures to save people with early onset genetic defects like this are doing to the long term health of the gene pool. I know that sounds harsh, but it is something to be considered, as these defective genes are liable to be passed on to future generations and mutate in unknown ways.
    Modern medicine as a whole is a disaster for our genetics. It's a weapon of mass destruction. It is, in fact, a more powerful destroyer than any other disaster that could befall us.

    Think of humanity like cockroaches. We're tough. We're adaptable. You could kill 99% of us, and we'll still come back just as strong as ever -- stronger, actually (so long as the 1% who survived were generally the toughest -- a safe assumption). What could possibly destroy this indestructible species?

    Corrupt it. How? Build cockroach hospitals. Make it so that cockroaches born with only three legs, or who otherwise would normally be non-viable, or have gotten gruesomely injured, are kept alive so they can reproduce. Cockroach surgery! Now an ever-increasing percentage of malformed cockroaches are born, as well as weak, stupid, or otherwise unfit ones. Every generation more. 10%, then 30%, then 50% -- cockroach generations come fast. Soon, the entire population could become dependent upon the hospital infrastructure you built. You built it in the name of compassion. But you have destroyed the species. Their entire genome is thrashed. You can't get the good genes back; they're gone.

    How do you wipe out the roaches now? Just close the hospitals for renovations for a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So the parents that were missing the kids doctors visits should be able to decide to keep the kid on life support indefinitely? At whose expense? It didn't read to me like they had the means to pay for it all themselves. Would the kid have even been put on life support if he hadn't been taken out of their custody? He had a heart defect and was not a good candidate for a transplant, it was just a matter of time. It isn't like the doctors killed the child, they took him off life support and nature took its course. It is a $#@!ty situation all around but the end result was never really in question.
    No, you did not read the whole story. We broke this story, and here is the history:


    Medically Kidnapped Baby Scheduled for Execution TODAY!

    Baby Scheduled to go Off Life Support Responding to Family – Rally and Court Date on Monday Morning

    Civil Rights Abuse? Judge Only Gives Parents 24 Hours to Find Doctor Before Baby is Removed from Life Support

    Family Seeks Answers on Baby’s Death – Threatened Arrest for Trying to Record Last Moments of Life


    Short summary:

    The baby was born with Down Syndrome and a heart defect that is common among Down Syndrome babies. Many of these Down Syndrome kids with this heart defect either have it successfully repaired surgically later in life, or live just fine with no major medical intervention.

    When CPS came in and seized the child, and his older sister, the baby HAD NO HEALTH ISSUES WHATSOEVER according to the family. The doctor visits the parents missed (and later made up) where routine for Down Syndrome babies, and not for any emergency or health issue.

    It was only AFTER the baby was in Foster care, in the custody of the State, that he developed some viral infection that affected his heart. Vanderbilt proceeded to do multiple surgeries, and there is some suspicion at this point they botched things up, and maybe were using him for experimentation.

    This required him to go on the ECMO machine for life support. And then on Memorial Day, a day where court was not in session, they told the family they were taking him off life support the next day.

    The story came to the attention of us at Health Impact News/MedicalKidnap.com, and we sacrificed our Memorial Day holiday to rush the story to press, putting public pressure on the Governor and State of Tennessee, and Vanderbilt Hospital. Local media also contacted us and began covering the story.

    A temporary injunction was issued that day, but was not the same judge who was familiar with the case. The judge has reportedly stated that if they could find a doctor stating that the baby could live off of the machine with a heart transplant, they would prevent the hospital from taking him off life support.

    As far as we know (we are still investigating this) all the doctors who came forward to look at the case never got a chance to even to talk to anyone at Vanderbilt.

    They took the baby off life support.

    So the parents never had any say in any of this, and when they tried to film his last moments of life, they were threatened with arrest and escorted out of the hospital.
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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Here's a video that actually still works:

    http://www.wsmv.com/story/35616022/b...n-life-support

    That Fox station may be getting some heavy traffic to kill the video. Maybe this story will have traction.
    The family gave us the videos and we have them on our YouTube channel. They aren't going anywhere...



    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    No, you did not read the whole story. We broke this story, and here is the history:


    Medically Kidnapped Baby Scheduled for Execution TODAY!

    Baby Scheduled to go Off Life Support Responding to Family – Rally and Court Date on Monday Morning

    Civil Rights Abuse? Judge Only Gives Parents 24 Hours to Find Doctor Before Baby is Removed from Life Support

    Family Seeks Answers on Baby’s Death – Threatened Arrest for Trying to Record Last Moments of Life


    Short summary:

    The baby was born with Down Syndrome and a heart defect that is common among Down Syndrome babies. Many of these Down Syndrome kids with this heart defect either have it successfully repaired surgically later in life, or live just fine with no major medical intervention.

    When CPS came in and seized the child, and his older sister, the baby HAD NO HEALTH ISSUES WHATSOEVER according to the family. The doctor visits the parents missed (and later made up) where routine for Down Syndrome babies, and not for any emergency or health issue.

    It was only AFTER the baby was in Foster care, in the custody of the State, that he developed some viral infection that affected his heart. Vanderbilt proceeded to do multiple surgeries, and there is some suspicion at this point they botched things up, and maybe were using him for experimentation.

    This required him to go on the ECMO machine for life support. And then on Memorial Day, a day where court was not in session, they told the family they were taking him off life support the next day.

    The story came to the attention of us at Health Impact News/MedicalKidnap.com, and we sacrificed our Memorial Day holiday to rush the story to press, putting public pressure on the Governor and State of Tennessee, and Vanderbilt Hospital. Local media also contacted us and began covering the story.

    A temporary injunction was issued that day, but was not the same judge who was familiar with the case. The judge has reportedly stated that if they could find a doctor stating that the baby could live off of the machine with a heart transplant, they would prevent the hospital from taking him off life support.

    As far as we know (we are still investigating this) all the doctors who came forward to look at the case never got a chance to even to talk to anyone at Vanderbilt.

    They took the baby off life support.

    So the parents never had any say in any of this, and when they tried to film his last moments of life, they were threatened with arrest and escorted out of the hospital.
    This is NOT acceptable.

    And why were they seized in the first place?
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This is NOT acceptable.

    And why were they seized in the first place?
    That's still not clear to me.

    Does it even matter...they seize our money, our homes, our cars, our property...guess they figure they can have our kids too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This is NOT acceptable.

    And why were they seized in the first place?
    The reason given is that they missed doctor's appointments.

    To know the real reasons children are medically kidnapped, see these articles:

    Medical Kidnapping in the U.S. – Kidnapping Children for Drug Trials

    Child Kidnapping and Trafficking: A Lucrative U.S. Business Funded by Taxpayers Called “Foster Care”

    Child Sex Trafficking through Child “Protection” Services Exposed – Kidnapping Children for Sex
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Modern medicine as a whole is a disaster for our genetics. It's a weapon of mass destruction. It is, in fact, a more powerful destroyer than any other disaster that could befall us.

    Think of humanity like cockroaches. We're tough. We're adaptable. You could kill 99% of us, and we'll still come back just as strong as ever -- stronger, actually (so long as the 1% who survived were generally the toughest -- a safe assumption). What could possibly destroy this indestructible species?

    Corrupt it. How? Build cockroach hospitals. Make it so that cockroaches born with only three legs, or who otherwise would normally be non-viable, or have gotten gruesomely injured, are kept alive so they can reproduce. Cockroach surgery! Now an ever-increasing percentage of malformed cockroaches are born, as well as weak, stupid, or otherwise unfit ones. Every generation more. 10%, then 30%, then 50% -- cockroach generations come fast. Soon, the entire population could become dependent upon the hospital infrastructure you built. You built it in the name of compassion. But you have destroyed the species. Their entire genome is thrashed. You can't get the good genes back; they're gone.

    How do you wipe out the roaches now? Just close the hospitals for renovations for a year.
    By the way, I am not actually opposed to medicine. This is just an idea of a way to look at it that came to me recently. It had not previously occurred to me that there was any plausible reason to even consider being opposed to all the wonders of modern medicine. But, this genome destruction scenario I've come up with, which I think is probably pretty accurate though exaggerated, is a pretty good reason.

    Now when it's you or yours whose life is on the line, obviously anyone sane is going to go ahead with the open-heart surgery or whatever. Staying alive and keeping your family alive is a healthy drive! But looking at it from the perspective of what's good for the long term, 500 years down the road, both for humanity as a whole and for your own lineage, letting the weak offspring die is actually super important and super beneficial.

    Bring back Sparta? And (apologies to Eric Peters) literally throw dem babies in the woods? Eh? Obviously I'm not going to do it, nobody modern is going to, but maybe they were on to something.

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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    By the way, I am not actually opposed to medicine. This is just an idea of a way to look at it that came to me recently. It had not previously occurred to me that there was any plausible reason to even consider being opposed to all the wonders of modern medicine. But, this genome destruction scenario I've come up with, which I think is probably pretty accurate though exaggerated, is a pretty good reason.

    Now when it's you or yours whose life is on the line, obviously anyone sane is going to go ahead with the open-heart surgery or whatever. Staying alive and keeping your family alive is a healthy drive! But looking at it from the perspective of what's good for the long term, 500 years down the road, both for humanity as a whole and for your own lineage, letting the weak offspring die is actually super important and super beneficial.

    Bring back Sparta? And (apologies to Eric Peters) literally throw dem babies in the woods? Eh? Obviously I'm not going to do it, nobody modern is going to, but maybe they were on to something.
    So much for Van Gogh, Beethoven, Einstein, and all them mentally or physically ill geniuses, amirite?
    There is no spoon.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So much for President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, amirite?
    Indeed, the world will be a sad, impoverished place without luminaries such as Dr. Lexus, Beef Supreme, Frito Pendejo, and President Comacho.

    Your posts make a very good (meta)point, Ender. I'm sure we will all be taking it into long and hard consideration.



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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Indeed, the world will be a sad, impoverished place without luminaries such as Dr. Lexus, Beef Supreme, Frito Pendejo, and President Comacho.

    Your posts make a very good (meta)point, Ender. I'm sure we will all be taking it into long and hard consideration.
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  30. #26
    Helmuth, most communists I meet fancy themselves future members of the intellectual elite. Do eugenicists, like yourself, take a similiar line? Are you a future member of the heritable elite? (By no means do I mean to imply that you are not currently a member

    You spoke of Spartan, borrowing Raspail's method. I wonder, are you aware of any of the theories regarding their descent?

    One has to do with the population of peers. Which, as you know, is a Spartan male; of who, as you know, Sparta's "walls" were comprised. Well, since the only way to become a peer was to be born of one, soon enough Sparta started running out of peers. I wonder if-when the last Spartan's fell-if they hadn't wished that more of "dem babies" hadn't been thrown in those woods.

    But its good to know that there is someone out there like you who can actually set the value of someone else's life... you and actuaries lol.

    Another link twixt eugenicists and communist! Weird.

  31. #27
    This topic makes me so mad I have a hard time even talking about it. Anyone who doesn't see where stuff like this is heading is very shortsighted imo.
    “I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”

    ― Henry David Thoreau

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by BV2 View Post
    Do eugenicists, like yourself,
    I didn't fancy you as an 'anti-eugenist,' B.V. I shouldn't be surprised, though: 21st-century Americans are probably 60%+ 'anti-eugenist,' which is the group thou (and I) are part of.

    The scare quotes around 'anti-eugenist' are definitely needed, because actually everyone is a eugenist. Everyone seeks to mate with someone possessing good qualities they value, such as intelligence, wisdom, and beauty. Because they understand -- whether explicitly, intuitively, sub-consciously, or just deep in the lizard brain -- they understand and absolutely know that if they mate with someone stupid and ugly, then chances are they will have stupid and ugly children.

    They know that. And it's true. We are all eugenists. Because eugenics is true.

    Do eugenicists, like yourself, take a similiar line?
    A good question. It's not as if I hang out with tons of eugenists, talking genetic story, so I am probably not qualified to answer. I just had this thought the other day (about widespread medical care having some harmful long-term effects) and AF's comments made me want to share it. I'm all about sharing original thoughts!

    I want to go back to your question, though, because it's an interesting question, even though you're just as qualified to answer it as I. Do those who explicitly and consciously want to see the human genome lifted up rather than eaten by the termites of time, do they favor this because they think they are the awesomest and wish everyone were less stupid and more like them?

    I think so, at least to an extent, but that is only because every man thinks he is the awesomest and every man thinks he is of above-average intelligence and every man thinks he is of above-average value, or at least potential. This is of course mathematically impossible, but this is how we feel.

    Actually, the most intelligent people, the really super-intelligent, tend to be pretty humble. I guess because they have more perspective, can grasp the bigger picture more thoroughly? Harry Browne, for instance, subject of a recent thread and a hero of mine, had a genius-level IQ (though he certainly would never advertise that, and probably would be uncomfortable with me doing so). And yet, he had extremely humility, and in fact the foundation of his most innovative contributions to investment theory was a rigorous and systematized humility. He used humility as an axiom! As the core of a brilliant theoretical and practical investment system, which has been working splendidly for the past 40+ years, by the way.

    To sum up, I don't think there is a strong relationship between how smart people think they are and how smart they actually are, at least not in the bottom 50%. Many/most of the truly mentally challenged people I have met think of themselves as very intelligent. They would think of themselves as members of the "intellectual elite" who should be reproducing as prolifically as possible to bring up the long-term gene pool. If, that is, they could be brought to comprehend the concept of bringing up the long-term gene pool. So there is a minimum threshold, at least, for being able to hold this view and talk about these things. There also is a minimum character threshold, as in: one has to actually care about very long-term issues. One must have a very long time horizon, a very low "now-now" preference (as opposed to criminals, who generally have a very high now-now preference). Also to care about people other than himself, since 1,000 years from now he will not be around to enjoy the sweet fruits nor reap the bitter, only others will be around.

    This brings up one more point (sorry to be so wordy): you refer to the "intellectual elite," but in my view intelligence, raw "smarts," is not the only virtue. It's not the only "eu-" component. Wisdom is even more important. That's just my view.

    Are you a future member of the heritable elite? (By no means do I mean to imply that you are not currently a member
    As for me in particular, this question doesn't make sense. It's a done deal: the world is already stuck with me! For better or worse, elite or regrettable.

    The future is in the future. It's not about us. Not me, not you, not anyone here. It does not matter for us. It matters for our great-grandchildren. I know, it's hard to get worked up about something that distant. It helps to actually have children; to have some "skin in the game." Becoming a family man really does affect your perspective.

    You spoke of Spartan, borrowing Raspail's method. I wonder, are you aware of any of the theories regarding their descent?

    One has to do with the population of peers.
    The descent(decline) of Sparta, you mean. Yes, the population drop was no doubt part of the collapse, just as with the better-documented case of Rome. This happens when civs collapse. The people lose their vigor. They lose their confidence in their civ, in the value of their way of life, lose all interest in perpetuating it. It happened to Sparta and Greek civilization in general, it happened to the Romans, and it has happened to us. People stop having kids. They stopped having kids in Rome and they didn't even have effective contraception! Think about that!

    soon enough Sparta started running out of peers. I wonder if-when the last Spartan's fell-if they hadn't wished that more of "dem babies" hadn't been thrown in those woods.
    LOL, yes I'm sure! It wouldn't have helped, though. The problem wasn't the growth rate of the earlier generations, which was fine, even with babies dying in forests (and catastrophic wars killing huge numbers, etc). The problem was the later generations, whose numbers collapsed because they stopped reproducing.

    But its good to know that there is someone out there like you who can actually set the value of someone else's life... you and actuaries lol.
    It's more about making judgment as to the quality of life in general, on a country or civilization level. This is unfashionable: we are supposed to say all people are equal and every culture is just as wonderful and valuable and good as every other culture. We are supposed to believe all sorts of blatantly false nonsense, or at least pretend we do in public. This goes back to the loss of civilizational confidence. We've lost it. Far from confident: the West is self-loathing.

    Anyway, yes, I am unashamed to say that Provo is better, much, much better, than Boosaaso. And why is it better? Better people! People matter! So should we try to bequeath to our children a world full of healthy, wise, disciplined individuals, or would you rather they be surrounded by diseased, moronic, criminal hordes? Bloomfield, or Khartoum? Which one we have in 1,000 years will depend on whether we took the time and effort and made the sacrifices to chart a eugenic course, or we just rode the natural, easy low road of dysgenics. Eu(good)-genics or dys(bad)-genics: those are our only options. A-genics is not a thing.
    Last edited by helmuth_hubener; 06-16-2017 at 09:42 AM.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by BV2 View Post
    I read a lot of different things. I'm not stupid, I don't think.
    And I do not think you are, either. And I think you should keep reading different things. Here's one:

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep...rain-shrinking

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    And I do not think you are, either. And I think you should keep reading different things. Here's one:

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep...rain-shrinking
    It could also be because advanced intelligence doesn't require as much space.

    A computer used to take up the entire wall of any business- now you can buy a 2 in external hard drive with 16 TB.
    There is no spoon.

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