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  1. #181
    Jan2017
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    Federalist papers argued that liberty was not to be destroyed just because like air it fuels both life and the fire of anarchy -
    ...

    Minarchy is not anarchy
    In thinking about this , Federalist Paper 10, written by Madison was sorta arguing to go minimalist on the Federal government idea . . .
    trying to sell New York, Rhode Island and others to this idea of a federal government and ratify -
    NYC ultimately was the first national capital, with the Senate in Philadelphia.

    But this wasn't a done deal . . . some definitely wanted to go rogue - the AntiFederalists and Anti-Administration Party included -
    New Yorkers Alexander Hamilton and Jay along with the prolific writer and promoter Virginian James Madison had alot of explaining
    of what was coming out of that largely secretive constitutional convention.

    Jay's compatriate in France whom made it back to Philly - Ben Franklin - was asked in
    the classic description of the results leaving the Constitutional Convention hall in his hometown -
    "Mr. Franklin . . . what kind of government do we have, Sir ?"
    Ben - "A republic . . . if ya' can keep it."
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-09-2016 at 07:30 AM.



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  3. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    In thinking about this , Federalist Paper 10, written by Madison was sorta arguing to go minimalist on the Federal government idea . . .
    trying to sell New York, Rhode Island and others to this idea of a federal government and ratify -
    NYC ultimately was the first national capital, with the Senate in Philadelphia.

    But this wasn't a done deal . . . some definitely wanted to go rogue - the AntiFederalists and Anti-Administration Party included -
    New Yorkers Alexander Hamilton and Jay along with the prolific writer and promoter Virginian James Madison had alot of explaining
    of what was coming out of that largely secretive constitutional convention.

    Jay's compatriate in France whom made it back to Philly - Ben Franklin - was asked in
    the classic description of the results leaving the Constitutional Convention hall in his hometown -
    "Mr. Franklin . . . what kind of government do we have, Sir ?"
    Ben - "A republic . . . if ya' can keep it."
    What if your (or mine) min is zero?

  4. #183
    Jan2017
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Truth View Post
    What if your (or mine) min is zero?
    Fine . . . no government . . . everyone (or sovereign states not ratifying) act on their freewill, human nature, or sometin' -
    may or may not lead to anarchy ?

  5. #184
    I have to say I find much more peace now in RPF then three, four weeks ago
    I'm a bit of a statistical junkie. I like to analyze or sum up polling or voting data. That doesn't mean that I believe all the pollmakers - I simply dont know most of the time if they counterfeit their data because of an agenda or not. It's just the only data I have to work with.
    And I love the message of liberty!



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  7. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    what is the difference between Anarchy, and Liberty? AF.

    have you ever explained that? can you?
    There is none.
    There is no spoon.

  8. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There is none.
    the distinctions are minor friend. we are on the same team.

    and if I can make friends with @luctor-et-emergo over what a real pizza oven is...
    then, there is hope you can make friends with AF.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

  9. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, liberty and freedom are well known.

    They are despised and hated by most people.
    do you get these feelings often? I am pretty sure I saw an ad on the teevee...
    that promised to help with that.

    is @Ender talking about spoons again?

    this goes here..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZhfFXEMMI4
    Last edited by HVACTech; 04-09-2016 at 11:30 PM.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

  10. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    And yes, HVAC... AF has explained it many times in his multi-tens-of-thousands of posts.
    are we talking about spoons again?
    or the obvious threats to Liberty?

    are you proposing sir.. that Liberty is a system... and can protect itself?
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

  11. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    are we talking about spoons again?
    or the obvious threats to Liberty?

    are you proposing sir.. that Liberty is a system... and can protect itself?
    Are you trying to tell me that liberty isn't free?

  12. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    the distinctions are minor friend. we are on the same team.

    and if I can make friends with @luctor-et-emergo over what a real pizza oven is...
    then, there is hope you can make friends with AF.
    I am friends with AF- and the spoon analogy is much closer than most realize.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Are you trying to tell me that liberty isn't free?
    It is free on its own, the problem is that other people want to take it away from you; so it must be protected.

    The question is, how?
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  14. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Are you trying to tell me that liberty isn't free?
    well, I DO think @Ender and @AntiFederalist should not share spoons or even spoon together.
    but what business is that of mine?

    what I am trying to tell you sir... is that Liberty is a Lady.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.



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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    the distinctions are minor friend. we are on the same team.

    and if I can make friends with @luctor-et-emergo over what a real pizza oven is...
    then, there is hope you can make friends with AF.
    Hey, we can all be friends and I'll provide the pizza.

    Liberty, then pizza, right ?!
    "I am a bird"

  17. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    what I am trying to tell you sir... is that Liberty is a Lady.
    She is indeed.


  18. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    well, I DO think @<u><a href="http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=9064" target="_blank">Ender</a></u> and @<u><a href="http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=1866" target="_blank">AntiFederalist</a></u> should not share spoons or even spoon together.
    but what business is that of mine?

    what I am trying to tell you sir... is that Liberty is a Lady.
    NO.

    Liberty is William Wallace.



    A bit too much commitment for most.
    There is no spoon.

  19. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Hey, we can all be friends and I'll provide the pizza.

    Liberty, then pizza, right ?!
    ha! I remember that. It was awesome.

  20. #197
    there are definitely a lot of ppl here trying very hard to make it an inhospitable place.
    Carthago Delenda Est

  21. #198
    Jan2017
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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    what is the difference between Anarchy, and Liberty? AF.

    have you ever explained that? can you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There is none.
    look at the Reince Priebus-led RNC . . . there is no Liberty - and yet it is near total Anarchy

  22. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    look at the Reince Priebus-led RNC . . . there is no Liberty - and yet it is near total Anarchy
    Sorry- can't be both. If there is anarchy then people are exerting their FREEDOM.
    There is no spoon.

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