I dont think there is anything refutable in the video. It could be the way the information is presented, but at some level, I think we all know this to be true. We have been able to out all the naysayers here who think that everything govt does is completely legitimate, so those folks arent here to call "Conspiracy Theory" when challenged with this information. Hell, even those naysayers must understand that what our public schools do for us is awful, and are only designed to serve the type of industry that benefits the rich by turning children into their "workforce".
Im not refuting any of the facts. Perhaps what we should be doing is asking ourselves and each other how to teach and learn without falling into the trap of following their models?
FREEDOM
Perhaps one of the things we need to understand is the Major Differences between a system of teaching that allows students to learn and become independent and compare it to a system of education (not learning) that traps the mind in itself and prevents growing beyond the intent of those that benefit. Public education is intended to teach people just enough to enable them to use a tool or "push a button" but never enough so that they think and ask "is this the right tool for the job"? Another series of videos addresses that problem to show that the method of education is an Input Output system of learning. "Classical" Learning is achieved by the Trivium, which is Input,
Logic, Output. The Logic step is eliminated, thus, school trains people to never challenge the system by teaching dependency on authority, everything is hard, obedience, confusion, compartmentalization, categorization, and a blind adherence to a social caste that is reinforced by those who are indoctrinated. This information could also be quite wrong, and we should at least entertain the idea there are flaws in it.
SCHOOL
Input + Logic + Output = FREEDOM
Input + Output = SLAVERY
"The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth." It is funny how often that phrase is quoted, but how often it seems to legitimately apply. So lets challenge my idea, that I am also repeating, test it, see if we can make it fail, so that if we are unsuccessful in defeating the idea, we should at least temporarily entertain that the idea holds true. For me, it mostly holds true, but, has a few holes in it.
When I first heard about the Trivium (Input + Logic + Output), it was stated that we dont really have any control over the Input. That is sort of true. We can choose either to listen or not listen, but both of those behaviors fall easily into the category of predictable. However, lets look at it from the point of view of a student, where every class teaches the exact same thing. Students do NOT get a choice to control the Input they receive from the world because every class teaches the exact same things, starting with Obedience. When LOGIC is fully eliminated, and students are taught that the only acceptable answers are the ones that are in the back of the book, logic is eliminated and skipped, which controls the Output of the student and molds them into "Obedient Workers". Output that is predictable can be profitable even to students and people that resist because Private Prisons are just as profitable to a different subset of the filthy rich as an employee whose soul is owned by whatever soulless corporation they allow themselves to be enslaved to.
Logic must be where freedom exists. At least according to the Trivium, as it is the only opportunity a person has to become unpredictable and ask questions that students are taught not to ask. I think a very good example of the results of this is peoples reaction to religion. If a non religious person and a religious person exist, their patterns of arguments are absolutely predictable on both sides, where neither side is willing to apply logic to consider the other side might be correct due to a bias each side has with their point of view. Very little Logic is applied from either side and both do their best to reject the ideas of the other. The consequence of what happens is also predictable, conflict that can be turned into profit. If a discussion escalates, then one side will usually attack the other side. To make that situation profitable, arm both sides and offer to imprison one or both, as that is also profitable. That level of conflict doesnt always happen, so for a controller to benefit, they sometimes have to goad those with the potential to cause conflict to the point they are willing to cause problems by spoonfeeding them ideas that support their bias on both sides. This is partly how the MSM also works, it spoonfeeds those that do not think with a series of arguments that these types of people in conflict will parrot at each other in order for that conflict to be sustained. Resolution is NOT the goal, but the only thing that would free both of these people in a heated argument is Logic, to step back and look at who is benefiting from their argument.
The deeper trouble is that it seems we do NOT have "the big picture". George Carlin stabs at this by saying "there is a reason that education sucks, and it will never get better, and that is because the owners, the real owners of this country do not want that". And he is right. Although Carlin (RIP) may have understood the big picture himself, he is was able to convey the idea of the big picture to his audience due to the audiences trained inability to apply logic to Carlins statements. So its not a failure of Carlin himself. Thing is, Gatto has a big part of the big picture, but not the whole picture, as so far as I have seen, his teachings havent said much about the Trivium. The guy that expressed the greek idea of the Trivium (again, Input + Logic + Output as a form of learning) did not say anything about what Gatto had to say in how school achieves its goals for the owners of the country. Carlin also understood that education sucks, but did not express any specifics how the methods of education had twisted, only to say that a person needs to be able to "think critically" and "challenge the bull$#@! of authority". Another fantastic person that has some major parts of this Big Idea is Charlotte Iserbyt; the head of policy at the Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald Reagan.
I think there really is a Bigger Picture here, and if we are to overcome the consequences of the Public Education model on the minds of the people, that Big Picture needs to be fully understood so we can correct each and every part of the system of control.
Perhaps that is the conversation we should aim to have?
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This is another pretty interesting video on How it works and why we have goals, but also leaves out the Big Picture that includes the real concepts brought up by Gatto, Iserbyt, Carlin, and others. At the end of the vid, there is mention of a "part 2" but I havent been able to find it. Google probably took it down, like MANY videos I had bookmarked....
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Thats cool, can you share what he taught you?
As far as Rep, you have to give Rep to like 6 other people before you can give it to someone again...
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
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