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    New sepsis treatment reduces death by 87 percent

    by: Sharon Thomas

    Sepsis, a body-wide infection that can progress to shock and organ failure, features a grim mortality rate of 30 to 50 percent. In fact, one out of every three patients who die in a hospital bed has sepsis – which claims a shocking 270,000 lives in the United States every year.

    Now, a new study reveals that a revolutionary vitamin C-based protocol is slashing sepsis mortality rates – causing some to hail it as a ‘miracle.’

    Of course, the extraordinary results come as no surprise to high-dose vitamin C pioneers – such as Dr. Thomas E. Levy – who have long advocated for the use of vitamin C in treating disease!

    Vitamin C treatment caused mortality rates to plummet
    To conduct the retrospective clinical study, researchers compared outcomes of 47 sepsis patients – treated with a combination of intravenous vitamin C, hydrocortisone and thiamine – with 47 sepsis patients treated with conventional medications.

    And the results were astounding!

    The progressive vitamin C treatment reduced mortality among the sepsis patients by 87 percent (when compared to patients who had been treated with standard therapy.)

    Only four of the 47 patients treated with the progressive therapy died – as opposed to 19 of the 47 conventionally-treated patients.

    In addition, not one of the patients in the vitamin C group developed organ failure. Furthermore, all of them were able to be weaned off vasopressors (used to ward off dangerous drops in blood pressure that can strike sepsis patients) more quickly than the conventionally-treated group.

    Medical professionals deem the mixture a “miracle juice”
    The study, which was published in the journal Chest, involved patients at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital in Norfolk, VA.

    The patients received the vitamin therapy under the care of Dr. Paul E. Marik. Dr Marik, chief of pulmonary and critical care at Eastern Virginia Medical School, instituted the protocol after reading about intravenous vitamin C in medical journals.

    The simple, non-toxic protocol consists of 1.5 grams of intravenous vitamin C every six hours for four days, 200 mg of thiamine – or B1 – every twelve hours for four days, and 50 mg of hydrocortisone every six hours for seven days, followed by a three-day taper.

    Over 700 patients in the United States have been treated with Dr. Marik’s protocol to date – at a cost of about $60 per patient.

    Compare this to the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent to treat sepsis patients with standard medications!

    In an article in The Virginian-Pilot, an ICU nurse at Sentara Norfolk marvels at the treatment results, saying she had witnessed “one patient after another” experiencing remarkable results. “They’d be at death’s door and, 24 to 48 hours later, they had turned around,” she reported.

    Is it any wonder that the mixture is commonly referred to by some on the hospital staff as “miracle juice?”

    Sepsis is associated with a raised risk of premature death – even years later
    Sepsis is usually triggered by a bacterial infection, followed by an extreme over-reaction by the immune system. The inflammatory responses that are unleashed can cause oxidative damage, widespread and abnormal blood clotting, mitochondrial dysfunction and loss of circulation in major organs.

    In severe cases, septic shock – in which blood pressure plummets and organs fail – ensues, and may lead to death. Making sepsis even more dangerous is the fact that the debilitating effects persist for months, with over 40 percent of sepsis patients returning to the hospital within 3 months of being discharged.

    The somber fact is: even after recovery from sepsis, the risk of dying can remain elevated for years to come.

    Red ALERT: Low vitamin C levels are associated with sepsis
    Antioxidant and anti-inflammatory, vitamin C seems uniquely qualified to fight sepsis. Vitamin C suppresses inflammation, combats oxidative damage, improves circulation to organs, and boosts the immune system.

    Research has also shown that vitamin C and hydrocortisone work together to protect against the capillary leakage that often attends sepsis. Significantly, new evidence has emerged showing that shortfalls in vitamin C can raise the risk of this life-threatening condition.

    A 2017 study found that virtually all critically ill sepsis patients had low vitamin C, with 40 percent displaying outright deficiencies. And this was the case despite the fact that the patients were being given dosages of 125 mg of vitamin C per day.

    Of course, natural health experts maintain that 125 mg is a woefully inadequate dose – especially for those who are sick. Illness has the effect of depleting vitamin C levels, robbing patients of this important nutrient at a time when they need it most.

    Recent research supports the vitamin C protocol
    Despite the success rate of intravenous vitamin C, physicians who use it often face a firestorm of criticism from their peers in the mainstream medical community – with some doctors maintaining that the therapy is ‘unproven and ineffective.’

    Dr. Marik is philosophical about the negative reaction from the mainstream medical community. “When something is too good to be true, people don’t want to believe it,” he declares.

    But, recent peer-reviewed studies and articles are causing some to “change their tune.”

    In a 2018 review published in the well-regarded, peer-reviewed Journal of Critical Care, the authors acknowledged that vitamin C could mediate inflammation through its antioxidant activities.

    The team reported that emerging evidence supports the administration of vitamin C, in addition to standard therapy, to ease the effects of inflammation and improve blood flow to organs in patients with sepsis and septic shock.

    The researchers called for further study to explore the potential of vitamin C therapy. And, they will get their wish.

    No less than eight new clinical trials – some using the same three constituents utilized by Dr. Marik – are scheduled to take place in 2018.

    As for Dr. Marik, he calls the protocol “safe, cheap and effective.” He also has a more direct way to describe the treatment – “the cure for sepsis.”

    Scientific research may just prove him right.

    Sources for this article include:

    LifeExtension.com
    NIH.gov
    Pilotonline.com
    NaturalHealth365.com
    https://www.naturalhealth365.com/sep...tion-2718.html
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    Wow. Gotta get me some of that. Here, I've been thinking death was pretty much a 100% proposition. Good to know I can get it down to 13% with more vitamin C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Wow. Gotta get me some of that. Here, I've been thinking death was pretty much a 100% proposition. Good to know I can get it down to 13% with more vitamin C.
    You have sepsis?
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    It wasn't just vitamin C. They were given hydrocortisone as well. That is actually used already for treating sepsis. https://www.the-hospitalist.org/hosp...s-septic-shock Just vitamin C will likely not be enough to help you. Article misleads the reader into thinking it was due to the vitamin C. Vitamin C can help, but that isn't the cure.


    The simple, non-toxic protocol consists of 1.5 grams of intravenous vitamin C every six hours for four days, 200 mg of thiamine – or B1 – every twelve hours for four days, and 50 mg of hydrocortisone every six hours for seven days, followed by a three-day taper.
    The team reported that emerging evidence supports the administration of vitamin C, in addition to standard therapy, to ease the effects of inflammation and improve blood flow to organs in patients with sepsis and septic shock.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-03-2018 at 03:59 PM.

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    Chester Copperpot
    Member

    I think Vitamin C (real vitamin C not that ascorbic acid crap) is instrumental in beating/preventing cancer.. I try to eat peppers everyday. And dont get stressed out over $#@!... stress destroys vitamin C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    I think Vitamin C (real vitamin C not that ascorbic acid crap) is instrumental in beating/preventing cancer.. I try to eat peppers everyday. And dont get stressed out over $#@!... stress destroys vitamin C
    What is "real vitamin C"? How is it different from ascorbic acid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What is "real vitamin C"?

    Apparently more real than your fakery in pretending to have a real conversation. You are posting to only be contrary and no other reason. You want to act like some cute smart-ass on here? Then expect the to be treated in kind. Neg rep.

    And some research:



    1. The Parenteral Vitamin C Improves Sepsis and Sepsis-Induced Multiple Organ Dysfunction Syndrome via Preventing Cellular Immunosuppression.
    Inflamm. 2017;2017:4024672. doi: 10.1155/2017/4024672. Epub 2017 Jan 22.

    "These results suggested that parenteral Vit C has the ability to improve the outcome of sepsis and sepsis-induced MODS and is associated with improvement in cellular immunosuppression."



    2. Vitamin C: should we supplement?
    Curr Opin Crit Care. 2018 Aug;24(4):248-255.

    "A short course of intravenous vitamin C in pharmacological dose seems a promising, well tolerated, and cheap adjuvant therapy to modulate the overwhelming oxidative stress in severe sepsis, trauma, and reperfusion after ischemia."



    3. Ascorbate-dependent vasopressor synthesis: a rationale for vitamin C administration in severe sepsis and septic shock?
    Crit Care. 2015 Nov 27;19:418. doi: 10.1186/s13054-015-1131-2.

    Patients with severe sepsis present with hypovitaminosis C, and pre-clinical and clinical studies have indicated that administration of high-dose ascorbate decreases the levels of pro-inflammatory biomarkers, attenuates organ dysfunction and improves haemodynamic parameters.



    And many other studies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Apparently more real than your fakery in pretending to have a real conversation. You are posting to only be contrary and no other reason. You want to act like some cute smart-ass on here? Then expect the to be treated in kind. Neg rep.

    And some research:
    Thank you for the links. They looked at vitamin C as a potential adjuvant therapy- one given in additional to regular treatment- not instead of. https://www.medicinenet.com/script/m...rticlekey=2151

    Adjuvant therapy: Treatment that is given in addition to the primary (initial) treatment.

    Adjuvant treatment is an addition designed to help reach the ultimate goal. Adjuvant therapy for cancer usually refers to surgery followed by chemo- or radiotherapy to help decrease the risk of the cancer recurring (coming back).

    In Latin "adjuvans" means to help and, particularly, to help reach a goal.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4661979/

    From their conclusion:

    Ascorbate-dependent vasopressor synthesis represents a plausible physiological mechanism whereby ascorbate could act as an adjuvant therapy for severe sepsis and septic shock.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-03-2018 at 05:07 PM.



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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What is "real vitamin C"? How is it different from ascorbic acid?
    by "real vitamin c" i mean the entire vitamin.. Ascorbic acid is represented as "Vitamin C" but its only part of the vitamin.. without all the parts there is no vitamin activity... Vitamin activity that comes from simple ascorbic acid use is dependent on the body having stores of the other parts of the vitamin at best and at worst wont work at all.. so just to be safe id eat a whole food like peppers to ensure proper vitamin activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    by "real vitamin c" i mean the entire vitamin.. Ascorbic acid is represented as "Vitamin C" but its only part of the vitamin.. without all the parts there is no vitamin activity... Vitamin activity that comes from simple ascorbic acid use is dependent on the body having stores of the other parts of the vitamin at best and at worst wont work at all.. so just to be safe id eat a whole food like peppers to ensure proper vitamin activity.
    What are the "other parts"? True some vitamins work better in concert with other vitamins and minerals. That does not make the vitamin "fake".

    dependent on the body having stores of the other parts of the vitamin at best
    Vitamin C is water soluble. The body does not store it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Thank you for the links.

    Why are you being sugary disingenuous, especially when your purpose here is a nasty thwarting of this site? Oh, I know why. It's just part of your little game playing.






    They looked at vitamin C as a potential adjuvant therapy-
    LOL. No, they did not. You are purposely being obtuse or just now downright lying. Neg rep.
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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What are the "other parts"? True some vitamins work better in concert with other vitamins and minerals. That does not make the vitamin "fake".




    Vitamin C is water soluble. The body does not store it.
    one of the other parts is the mineral copper.. so without copper there wont be any Vitamin C activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Why are you being sugary disingenuous, especially when your purpose here is a nasty thwarting of this site? Oh, I know why. It's just part of your little game playing.



    LOL. No, they did not. You are purposely being obtuse or just now downright lying. Neg rep.
    I simply quoted from your source. If you disagree with that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I simply quoted from your source. If you disagree with that...

    No, you did not just simply quote from my source. The adjuvant was a suggestion in the conclusion of one of the studies, and not in the purpose. You are purposely being devious. Neg rep.
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    Vitamin C supplementation in the critically ill patient.
    Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2015 Mar;18(2):193-201

    "Clinical trials in sepsis, trauma and major burns testing high-dose vitamin C show clinical benefit. Restoration of normal plasma levels in inflammatory patients requires the administration of 3 g/day for several days, which is 30 times the daily recommended dose."



    Resolution of sterile inflammation: role for vitamin C.
    Mediators Inflamm. 2014;2014:173403. doi: 10.1155/2014/173403. Epub 2014 Sep 9.

    "Parenteral vitamin C (VitC) attenuates proinflammatory states in murine and human sepsis."

    ***

    "VitC sufficiency and in vivo VitC supplementation restored macrophage phenotype and function."



    Vitamin C revisited.
    Crit Care. 2014 Aug 6;18(4):460. doi: 10.1186/s13054-014-0460-x.


    "Preclinical studies show that high-dose vitamin C can prevent or restore microcirculatory flow impairment by inhibiting activation of nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate-oxidase and inducible nitric oxide synthase, augmenting tetrahydrobiopterin, preventing uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation, and decreasing the formation of superoxide and peroxynitrite, and by directly scavenging superoxide. Vitamin C can additionally restore vascular responsiveness to vasoconstrictors, preserve endothelial barrier by maintaining cyclic guanylate phosphatase and occludin phosphorylation and preventing apoptosis. Finally, high-dose vitamin C can augment antibacterial defense. These protective effects against overwhelming oxidative stress due to ischemia/reperfusion, sepsis or burn seems to mitigate organ injury and dysfunction,..."

    ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    one of the other parts is the mineral copper.. so without copper there wont be any Vitamin C activity.
    Copper competes with vitamin C in the intestines (even though it uses them both differently). If you are taking a lot of vitamin C you may be reducing the amount of copper in your body. That is why you need more copper with it.

    https://www.lifeextension.com/Magazi...copper/Page-01

    Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) has been found to antagonize the absorption of copper intestinally, and can impede the binding of copper to copper-zinc superoxide dismutase (Cu,Zn)SOD.5
    A 1988 study from the Department of Foods and Nutrition at the University of Georgia also found that after feeding male rats various amounts of copper, iron and vitamin C for 20 days, high intakes of iron and/or vitamin C dramatically reduced copper levels. Results showed that high iron intake decreased copper absorption in copper-deficient rats, high vitamin C intake significantly decreased tissue copper levels in rats with adequate copper intake, and high iron plus high vitamin C caused severe anemia in copper-deficient rats, while dropping ceruloplasmin levels in copper-adequate rats by 44%.8
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-03-2018 at 05:57 PM.



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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Copper competes with vitamin C (even though it uses them both differently). If you are taking a lot of vitamin C Ascorbic Acid you may be reducing the amount of copper in your body. That is why you need more copper with it.

    https://www.lifeextension.com/Magazi...copper/Page-01
    Do you understand what Im saying? Copper is part of the whole vitamin c.. When you take ascorbic acid your body is going to need copper to facilitate vitamin activity, because copper is part of the vitamin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    Do you understand what Im saying? Copper is part of the whole vitamin c.. When you take ascorbic acid your body is going to need copper to facilitate vitamin activity, because copper is part of the vitamin.
    Link? Copper is a mineral- not a vitamin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    Do you understand what Im saying?

    Even if he understands it, he does not care. That is not why he is here. He is here to act like a scumbag, which is exactly what he's doing.
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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Link? Copper is a mineral- not a vitamin.
    Let me explain it as clearly as I can.

    There is a reason why vitamins in food are useful in healing and vitamins in synthetic pills arent as useful.. And the reason is because the vitamin in its natural whole state only exists in the food and not in the synthetic pill... As an example we can point to the discoverer of Vitamin C who said that he was never able to curve scurvy with the synthetic vitamin but could do so easily with peppers. (he was from the area of Hungary that was known for producing paprika from peppers)

    Doctors will admit to synthetic Vitamin E as being much less effective than natural Vitamin E but for some reason stop the discussion at Vitamin E.

    But to summarize we can say that ascorbic acid is not vitamin c, retinoic acid is not vitamin a, alpha tocopherol is not vitamin e, etc etc etc.

    Vitamin C as a vitamin is made of many components other than ascorbic acid, there are enzymes and co-enzymes, bioflavonoids, not to mention the mineral copper. the mineral copper is PART of Vitamin C, just like cobalt is part of Vitamin B-12.

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    Chester Copperpot
    Member

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Even if he understands it, he does not care. That is not why he is here. He is here to act like a scumbag, which is exactly what he's doing.
    Well, somebody has to support the federal reserve and IRS on here I suppose.. Though to be honest Im not sure this is the same zippy ive been talking to for the last 10 years... his electronic signature hasnt matched up at times though ive been so inactive on here I may not be remembering him correctly, or he may have forgotten me.

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    Yes, things do work synergistically. Iron works synergistically with oxygen in our blood to help get it to other cells. Does that make iron part of oxygen? Link showing copper is a part of vitamin C?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-03-2018 at 06:38 PM.

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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Yes, things do work synergistically. Iron works synergistically with oxygen in our blood to help get it to other cells. Does that make iron part of oxygen? Link showing copper is a part of vitamin C?
    Heres a link I just googled:

    Vitamins and minerals are not functionally separable. They make each other work. Example: vitamin D is necessary for the body to absorb calcium. Copper is necessary for vitamin C activity.

    https://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/E...articles_id=55

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    Chester Copperpot
    Member

    Heres another link about copper as part of vitamin c





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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    Heres a link I just googled:

    Vitamins and minerals are not functionally separable. They make each other work. Example: vitamin D is necessary for the body to absorb calcium. Copper is necessary for vitamin C activity.

    https://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/E...articles_id=55
    "Works with" is not the same as "is part of". See my example of oxygen and iron. They may work together (or separately) but they are not the same. Iron is not part of oxygen and oxygen is not part of iron (iron may bond with oxygen to form iron oxide or rust).

    Link is trying to sell their own vitamins. Why don't they add copper to their vitamin C if it is so important and not "real vitamin C" without it? https://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/E...70-g_1103.html

    Contents / Ingredients:
    Serving size: 2 teaspoon
    Approximately 77 servings per container

    Acerola Cherry Extract Powder - 420 mg naturally occurring, non-toxic, highly absorbable vitamin C complex (not excreted as expensive, yellow urine) contained in the Acerola Berry that contains an entire complex of naturally occurring co-factors including bioflavonoids, vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients and everything else contained in this whole food - - Wildcrafted, TruGanic

    Other ingredients: Tapioca Starch
    The cherries have practically no copper. https://behealthy.today/acerola-cher...tent-benefits/

    Copper 0.086 mg
    Though they do have vitamin C:

    Vitamin C 1677.6 mg
    (Video says Vitamin C never naturally occurs in more than 100 mg so we know it is wrong).

    But he says they are "real vitamin C" so I guess "real vitamin C" does not require copper. Or it was just a sales pitch. Get you to buy some copper to go along with it.

    However, Truly Natural Vitamin C™ has all of the naturally occurring elements synergistically present and bonded (including naturally occurring bioflavonoids) because it is 100% food (100% Acerola Cherry Powder).
    Only $80 a pound for dried up cherries (plus shipping). These guys will sell you a pound for under $20. https://nuts.com/driedfruit/cherries...y-acerola.html

    And as was shown earlier, vitamin C can interfere with the body's ability to use copper. More vitamin C means lower copper in the body. That is not a good synergistic relationship.

    Loved the comments at the video.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-03-2018 at 08:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post


    ...vitamin C can interfere with the body's ability to use copper.

    No; at least not in the way you are trying to troll here.

    It would practically be very difficult to impossible sustaining a "high" vitamin C intake that would affect cooper. High vitamin C intakes turn your stomach upside-down in short order. The gas and bloating are very uncomfortable.

    Your experiment was rats given high C doses in 20 days. I would bet those were extraordinary doses. It all matches the model of people who tell you things like not to eat a bunch of carrots because you will overdose on vitamin A. The only problem with these imbecilic suggestions is that no one is eating sackfuls of carrots every day. You quickly tire of such food before it has an adverse effect.

    I eat 100% raw and rarely--if ever--overdo it on natural foods. That's very different from from overeating on processed stuff.
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    Here is the study:

    Hydrocortisone, Vitamin C, and Thiamine for the Treatment of Severe Sepsis and Septic Shock: A Retrospective Before-After Study.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27940189

    An historical compendium of 20th-Century medical & scientific literature attesting to the efficacy of Ascorbate (Ascorbic Acid, Cevitamic Acid, Sodium Ascorbate etc. a.k.a. “Vitamin C”) in the treatment and prevention of human and animal illnesses and diseases.
    https://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Chester Copperpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    "Works with" is not the same as "is part of". See my example of oxygen and iron. They may work together (or separately) but they are not the same. Iron is not part of oxygen and oxygen is not part of iron (iron may bond with oxygen to form iron oxide or rust).

    Link is trying to sell their own vitamins. Why don't they add copper to their vitamin C if it is so important and not "real vitamin C" without it? https://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/E...70-g_1103.html



    The cherries have practically no copper. https://behealthy.today/acerola-cher...tent-benefits/



    Though they do have vitamin C:



    (Video says Vitamin C never naturally occurs in more than 100 mg so we know it is wrong).

    But he says they are "real vitamin C" so I guess "real vitamin C" does not require copper. Or it was just a sales pitch. Get you to buy some copper to go along with it.



    Only $80 a pound for dried up cherries (plus shipping). These guys will sell you a pound for under $20. https://nuts.com/driedfruit/cherries...y-acerola.html

    And as was shown earlier, vitamin C can interfere with the body's ability to use copper. More vitamin C means lower copper in the body. That is not a good synergistic relationship.

    Loved the comments at the video.
    why do you waste my time looking up links for you when you have no interest in learning but instead purposely bring up nonsense to refute? Please show a little more respect for people.

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    Sincere question for Chester. How does one get massive dose of Vitamin C via peppers or food?

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    claims a shocking 270,000 lives in the United States every year.
    Humm that is almost the same number that die from medical error.

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