Ron Paul; ''What My Presidency Would Have Been Like'' w/ Tom Woods

[Swordsmyth]

I didn't hear that in the podcast in the OP of this thread. What minute mark was that?

Ask Angela:

So many take-aways.

''Incrementalism won't work''

[tod evans]

It's also interesting to note that Ron reiterates several times the fact that there is no fundamental difference between the parties. They're both primarily interested in expanding state power and control, they just aporoach it from different angles.

If only Boobus could see so clearly.

[TheTexan]

Incrementalism is working.

It's working phenomenally well

It's truly fantastic, just amazing, how well incrementalism is working. Ask anyone, they all agree

[Superfluous Man]

Can anyone give the time stamp for where he talks about the immigration and trade restrictions he would implement?

[Superfluous Man]

Incrementalism is working.

It's working? Unless you're talking about incremental *growth* of government, it hasn't even been tried.

[jmdrake]

https://tomwoods.com/ep-1535-ron-pau...e/?omhide=true


If you're tired of the Trumper's version of libertarian, you might like listening to Ron Paul talk about current events with Tom Woods.

So many take-aways.

''Maybe the first 100 years we believed in self-reliance...''

''Negative interest rates are bizarre''

''As soon someone calls you a plant, that person isn't worth dealing with''

''We have to be loud.''

''Incrementalism won't work''

Thanks for sharing.

[Swordsmyth]

Can anyone give the time stamp for where he talks about the immigration restrictions he would implement?

0:16



Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26


"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007

http://archive.is/HW9aj

MR. RUSSERT: You say you're a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be U.S. citizens.REP. PAUL: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What's a--what's the contradiction there?
MR. RUSSERT: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?
REP. PAUL: Well, that's constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn't in the original Constitution. And there's a, there's a confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it's still confusing because people--individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they're under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it's awfully, awfully confusing, and, and I, I--matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.


Well, I start off with saying that it`s a big problem. I don`t like to get involved with the Federal Government very much, but I do think it is a federal responsibility to protect our borders....And that`s why I don`t think our border guards should be sent to Iraq, like we`ve done. I think we need more border guards. But to have the money and the personnel, we have to bring our troops home from Iraq. Ron Paul


More at: http://www.vdare.com/articles/ron-pa...al-sovereignty


Totally free immigration! I`ve never taken that position...Well, you work on both. The most important is the welfare state, but you can still beef up your borders and get rid of some incentives for illegals....Ron Paul


More at: http://www.vdare.com/articles/ron-pa...al-sovereignty

[CCTelander]

So, let's see here. A guy who literally has decades of experience successfully navigating the political waters and who has successfully at least piqued the interest of MILLIONS of people in the principles of liberty is described as "hopeless" as a political strategist by a guy who probably has no actual experience in politics at all and is probably basing his opinions on partisan garbage he's read online? I must be on RPF.

[jmdrake]

Incrementalism is working.

Yes. It most certainly is. We have face scanning cameras at airports at on the border wall/fence. We have bumpfire stock bans. The "red flag" law ideas was floated then replaced with an Orwellian pre-crime/thought-crime regime. Incrementalism is most certainly working. The question is what direction? Trump has done some good things. Obama did some good things. (Iran nuke deal for example). But when there are no core principles in your principal you get what we get.

[jmdrake]

Ron is a great man and a great philosopher but he isn't perfect and as a political strategist he's hopeless.

Did you even listen to the interview? I think you did not. That isn't a criticism. Most of us are guilty of reacting to comments without necessarily listening to the source material. Here's what I think you missed. At 4:30 in Tom Woods brings up the study by Fordham University professor Paul Levinson which scientifically proved the media blackout of Ron Paul.

See: https://fordham.academia.edu/PaulLev...urriculumVitae

Then Tom went on to remind us of something I had forgotten. That time in the 2012 campaign when Ron Paul had a second place finish in fundraising, MSNBC reported the first and third place finishers and ignored 2nd place!.



Ron had $4.5 million at that time. Note that in 2007 when Ron Paul was just considered a novelty, MSNBC was happy to report his record fundraising. The "we must mention the congressman from Texas."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21646939/n.../#.Xdf5jFdKiUk

Contrast that with the Hillary Clinton "pied piper strategy" exposed by Wikileaks where Hillary purposefully got her friends in the media to boost Trump during the GOP primary in the hopes that he would win.

https://observer.com/2016/10/wikilea...-help-clinton/

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-trump-214428



If you did you missed where Tom Woods brought up the scientific study which showed the media blackout of Ron Paul.

[acptulsa]

Did you even listen to the interview?

There's no need to ask. We already established that.

I didn't hear that in the podcast in the OP of this thread. What minute mark was that?

Ask Angela:

[Anti Globalist]

I'll watch the interview later.

[tfurrh]

Ron is a great man and a great philosopher but he isn't perfect and as a political strategist he's hopeless.

Bret Baier? Is that you?

[dannno]

Bret Baier? Is that you?

Espousing correct and moral philosophy is not the same, unfortunately, as having good political strategy. That’s where Rand is coming in handy.

[Swordsmyth]

Espousing correct and moral philosophy is not the same, unfortunately, as having good political strategy. That’s where Rand is coming in handy.

Exactly.

[tfurrh]

Exactly.

I'm pretty sure he was joking

[Swordsmyth]

I'm pretty sure he was joking

I'm sure he wasn't but he was right even if he was.

[Origanalist]

I'm pretty sure he was joking

No, I don't think so.

[tfurrh]

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