2020 would be a Dem-Lite vs Dem election unless conservatives/libertarians got in the race

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Brilliant win-win strategy by Dems to fund both "leading" horses (MAGA vs Biden/Beto/Sanders/Warren).
Do Conservatives/Libertarian wings have alternative leadership ready to step in and break this Dems monopoly?
Would a Rand Paul-Amash 2020 ticket be too libertarian-heavy?




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Trump's top donor is a 'social liberal' Democrat and supports abortion-on-demand, national healthcare

Socialist Sanders supporters vow to support Trump if Bernie isn’t the nominee

[nikcers]

It's going to take someone who is really entertaining to get people to vote for a democrat president after the 2016 election. All of the good stuff from the Russiagate hoax hasn't even come out yet because of the FBI director. What did Biden know? They already stole the nomination and gave it to Clinton, some people still think they might nominate Clinton in 2020. I think they know they have no chance in 2020 which is why they were trying to impeach Trump and Pence. They wanted a president Pelosi that no one got to vote for.

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It's going to take someone who is really entertaining to get people to vote for a democrat president after the 2016 election....

That's an interesting point and probably will hold true... unless any major sugar-high economic cyclical surprises ahead of 2020.

But we probably won't see another brilliant enetertaining, crowd-pleasing communicator, former reality TV/fake-wrestling star turned truth-teller and Hillary Clinton funding democrat turned conservtive on the political scene for generations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhwAk_5b7Q

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NADER.......oh wait you said entertaining

[nikcers]

That's an interesting point and probably will hold true... unless any major sugar-high economic cyclical surprises ahead of 2020.

But we probably won't see another brilliant enetertaining, crowd-pleasing communicator, former reality TV/fake-wrestling star turned truth-teller and Hillary Clinton funding democrat turned conservtive on the political scene for generations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhwAk_5b7Q

The democrats are going to eat eachother alive in the primaries because they think anyone who gets nominated can win. It's why 0% people are still running for the nomination. The biggest factor is whether they run on a socialistic platform or not. If they run on a socialism platform the Republicans will eat them alive by taking all of the independent votes and if they don't run on a scoalistic platform they won't show up to vote because they won't think that they will get free stuff for voting.

[nikcers]

That's an interesting point and probably will hold true... unless any major sugar-high economic cyclical surprises ahead of 2020.

But we probably won't see another brilliant enetertaining, crowd-pleasing communicator, former reality TV/fake-wrestling star turned truth-teller and Hillary Clinton funding democrat turned conservtive on the political scene for generations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhwAk_5b7Q

The democrats are going to eat eachother alive in the primaries because they think anyone who gets nominated can win. It's why 0% people are still running for the nomination. The biggest factor is whether they run on a socialistic platform or not. If they run on a socialism platform the Republicans will eat them alive by taking all of the independent votes and if they don't run on a socialistic platform they won't show up to vote because they won't think that they will get free stuff for voting.

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The democrats are going to eat eachother alive in the primaries because they think anyone who gets nominated can win. It's why 0% people are still running for the nomination. The biggest factor is whether they run on a socialistic platform or not. If they run on a socialism platform the Republicans will eat them alive by taking all of the independent votes and if they don't run on a socialistic platform they won't show up to vote because they won't think that they will get free stuff for voting.

To be fair, in 2016 there were many Republicans running under similar assumption and candidate who identified as a Republican did win then.
Tariffs, protectionism, universal healthcare, socialist globalist projects etc are not necessarily always seen as socialistic platform but yes a non-RINO Republican not tainted with neocons swamp can easily win, hence the title of this discussion.

There is another troubling development, GOP-MAGA wing could get wiped out in 2020 as risk has increased significantly of MAGA movement getting defunded.

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NADER.......oh wait you said entertaining

Having a head full of hair used to be an prerequisite for US Presidential candidates.. but now crowd entertainment skills is emerging as a close second.
Could be bright future ahead in US politics still for many reality TV stars, actors with honed TV cameras stage performance skills and with ability to hook up with the right funders.

[nikcers]

To be fair, in 2016 there were many Republicans running under similar assumption and candidate who identified as a Republican did win then.
Tariffs, protectionism, universal healthcare, socialist globalist projects etc are not necessarily always seen as socialistic platform but yes a non-RINO Republican not tainted with neocons swamp can easily win, hence the title of this discussion.

There is another troubling development, GOP-MAGA wing could get wiped out in 2020 as risk has increased significantly of MAGA movement getting defunded.

Trump could probably run a campaign on a shoestring budget if he wanted to. Jeb Bush had all the money he could spend but couldn't win. The other reason why they have so many DNC candidates is to block Bernie Saanders from getting the nomination. I bet a DNC staffer wouldn't dare leak that kind of strategy out, he would be the next Seth Rich.

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Trump could probably run a campaign on a shoestring budget if he wanted to...

He did push 'self-funded' claims for a longtime but what possessed a 'filthy rich' former reality TV star him to take money from a socialistic liberal democrat neocon Adelson?
Can a political candidate whose top donor is an Israel-First neoconservative really execute America-First agenda?

Pro 2nd amendment GOA leaders/hard right conservatives who label him as 'fraud, 'scam' go too far but there are legit questions about his top funder's agenda.

[nikcers]

Having a head full of hair used to be an prerequisite for US Presidential candidates.. but now crowd entertainment skills is emerging as a close second.
Could be bright future ahead in US politics still for many reality TV stars, actors with honed TV cameras stage performance skills and with ability to hook up with the right funders.

A lot of it was Trump's "dream" was more appealing than Clintons, and he was able to articulate it in the way he does. People thought the worst with Clinton, they imagined a scorched earth. With Trump they imagined an America that manufactures and builds stuff, they imagined stickers that said "made in america" on their stuff and a booming economy.

[Philhelm]

Having a head full of hair used to be an prerequisite for US Presidential candidates.. but now crowd entertainment skills is emerging as a close second.
Could be bright future ahead in US politics still for many reality TV stars, actors with honed TV cameras stage performance skills and with ability to hook up with the right funders.

This line of thought never made sense to me. Whatever else Trump may or may not be, he is a wildly successful capitalist, which predates his reality television persona. In fact, it never even occurred to me to think of him as a reality television persona despite being on The Apprentice, since he was already such an icon in the '80s and '90s. It just doesn't make sense to compare him to reality television stars and actors, the vast majority of whom will not possess any comparable business experience. They might be able to emulate his stagecraft but that's the extent of it.

[nikcers]

He did push 'self-funded' claims for a longtime but what possessed a 'filthy rich' former reality TV star him to take money from a socialistic liberal democrat neocon Adelson?
Can a political candidate whose top donor is an Israel-First neoconservative really execute America-First agenda?

Pro 2nd amendment GOA leaders/hard right conservatives who label him as 'fraud, 'scam' go too far but there are legit questions about his top funder's agenda.

Imagine someone spent their campaign money like this, instead of on the media and special interests.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpVfcZ0ZcFM

[Working Poor]

I think democrats should have tried to protect John Edwards from the media blood feast they had at his expense.

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This line of thought never made sense to me. Whatever else Trump may or may not be, he is a wildly successful capitalist, which predates his reality television persona. In fact, it never even occurred to me to think of him as a reality television persona despite being on The Apprentice, since he was already such an icon in the '80s and '90s. It just doesn't make sense to compare him to reality television stars and actors, the vast majority of whom will not possess any comparable business experience. They might be able to emulate his stagecraft but that's the extent of it.

Has there ever been in history 'wildly successful capitalist' who would have time to do shootings for a reality TV series for months/years?

Critics during 'Trump University' scandal days who had called him 'Sir hustles a lot' were out of line but Hillary had claimed during debates that his businneses had failed but persona making with fakenew media's help was a big success. Have not validated such claims.

But why would a wildly successful rich sincere guy need to take money from a neocon casino owner to fund his campaign?

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At the same time, to be fair credit should be given to MAGA leadership for bringing old fashioned GOP towards moderate/liberal values of modern times and away from global islolationism, 2nd amendment extremism... even if this meant transition of many Republicans to RINOs.




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Extremist conservative mole Steve Bannon even used to call current senior MAGA White House leadership "democrats", fortunately he has been kicked out and put in his place.

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How did Bolsheviks manage to take over control of GOP?

Conceding that top leadership of GOP-Adelson wing used to be left wing Dems not too long ago, it is not clear if that is a large factor for GOP's move left. Part of it could be just due to passage of time.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE

"As he (Trump) launched his campaign, the conservative National Review reported that he was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009 and praised a Canadian-style universal health care system. Party affiliation in the United States is usually changed by ticking a box while registering to vote and doesn't imply any financial contribution. However Trump has also shown a willingness to contribute considerable sums to Democratic causes - including Hillary Clinton's campaign for Senate in 2002."

It's actually very simple. Instead of running as a Democrat, he is running GOP, so he must attack the Democrats. Some of his kids didn't get the memo though.

People have ability to change, democrats can become conservative Republicans sometimes.
Don't understand why some conservative purists keep calling them Democrats even now.

For some of Berners it may make sense though to keep it in the 'liberal Democrat values family' sort of . Biden may offer lip service but his commitment to our closest ally is doubtful but in case of MAGA there is no doubt that he'll stand with our closest ally. Heaven forbid if Deep Stage managed to derail MAGA 2020 run, Berners 3rd choice probably would be Cory Booker.. another solid supporter of our closest ally and brings pretty much same liberal social democrat values to the table as Bernie and GOP-Jarvanka wing.

Trump to host fundraiser for Booker





Top Trump donor is pro-choice, self-described 'social liberal'
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Trump top donor Sheldon Adelson-Funded Paper Israel Hayom Prints Gay Dad Ad
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Trump is selling ‘LGBTQ for Trump’ T-shirts for Gay Pride month
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Trump-appointed judge upheld his bumpfire stock ban

[Philhelm]

Has there ever been in history 'wildly successful capitalist' who would have time to do shootings for a reality TV series for months/years?

Critics during 'Trump University' scandal days who had called him 'Sir hustles a lot' were out of line but Hillary had claimed during debates that his businneses had failed but persona making with fakenew media's help was a big success. Have not validated such claims.

But why would a wildly successful rich sincere guy need to take money from a neocon casino owner to fund his campaign?

I didn't realize that Jeff Bezos is a Ron Paul supporter. If I have to defend the fact that a guy who was rich and famous for decades before becoming POTUS qualifies as being a "wildly successful capitalist," then I don't know how to continue this conversation. Whether he is as rich as he projects, or whether he had failed business ventures, etc., is irrelevant. I merely argued that Trump was a successful capitalist (i.e. rich) before he became associated with reality television. Most people who are around 35+ would probably associate Trump more with being a rich businessman than being a reality television persona.

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I didn't realize that Jeff Bezos is a Ron Paul supporter. If I have to defend the fact that a guy who was rich and famous for decades before becoming POTUS qualifies as being a "wildly successful capitalist," then I don't know how to continue this conversation. Whether he is as rich as he projects, or whether he had failed business ventures, etc., is irrelevant. I merely argued that Trump was a successful capitalist (i.e. rich) before he became associated with reality television. Most people who are around 35+ would probably associate Trump more with being a rich businessman than being a reality television persona.

Meaning of 'successful' can be subjective, so I guess you are right in your assertion. I was suggesting that his wealth claims are disputed by many and it is possibile that he may not be as rich as he wants others to believe. But it is not disputed that he is a very successful former Reality TV star, I highlighted that undisputed fact also because TV media savy expertise as used in those Camera/Lights/Sounds productions greatly helped him to sell himself to the masses (many of whom without doubt also see him as 'richer' than themselves).

Awkward Old Clip Of Ivanka Trump Talking About Her Father’s Debt

Ivanka Trump, now a senior White House adviser to the president, said in the video:

I remember once my father and I were walking down Fifth Avenue and there was a homeless person sitting right outside of Trump Tower and I remember my father pointing to him and saying, ‘You know, that guy has $8 billion more than me,’ because he was in such extreme debt at that point, you know?

“And that is why it was OK for him to take that man’s change cup,” Bee later joked.

“Look, the only thing that Donald Trump really had going for him as a candidate was that he was supposed to be a great businessman,” Bee added. “Now we know that not only is he a bad businessman, he is one of the worst in American history.”

[Philhelm]

Meaning of 'successful' can be subjective, so I guess you are right in your assertion. I was suggesting that his wealth claims are disputed by many and it is possibile that he may not be as rich as he wants others to believe. But it is not disputed that he is a very successful former Reality TV star, I highlighted that undisputed fact also because TV media savy expertise as used in those Camera/Lights/Sounds productions greatly helped him to sell himself to the masses (many of whom without doubt also see him as 'richer' than themselves).

I don't think that it's necessary to get into a semantic debate over what it means to be successful. He owns a lot of $#@!, is married to a former model, and is currently playing golf on the White House lawn. Unless you are part of a religious order, took a vow of poverty, and have found enlightenment, quibbling over the term "success" is silly.

I'm old enough to remember when Trump was "poor," and I wouldn't even contest that he's not as rich as he implies, but he still has it made. Plenty of successful people have had financial failures; one of the reasons such people are successful is because they are willing to take risks.

[TheTexan]

A Trump/Rand ticket would be a great ticket. Mike Pence as VP isn't working. He's embarrassingly poor.