Rand Paul "neutral" on admitting Sweden and Finland to NATO

[TheTexan]

So many people on this forum were inspired when Ron dropped the truth bomb on the debate stage, "They don't hate us for our freedom, they hate us because we've been bombing and killing them"

If someone came out and told the truth on Ukraine it could very well inspire others in a similar way. It's a missed opportunity.

[tebowlives]

You're right, I dont care about Rand following the constitution. When it comes to Rand, that's the baseline I've come to expect, and even here, he does not disappoint on that issue.

Obviously you don't care to focus on the actual issue and what's important.

It's not "unconstitutional" for him to say that Ukraine's fight against Putin is "commendable" nor is it "unconstitutional" for him to say that he "supports Ukraine's cause", but that doesn't mean its not both ignorant and idiotic to say such things.

Because it's not ignorant and idiotic. That's what you've incorrectly made it out to be.

It is possible to be "constitutional" and ignorant at the same time and unfortunately Rand is proving that. As I've posted elsewhere, this isn't intended to be a dig on Rand, as nearly every other libertarian is as ignorant as he is on this issue.

No Rand isn't the ignorant one here. And again that's just you on your high horse completely missing the point and what's important. But you keep repeating yourself over and over and over again while missing the point if it makes you feel better.

[TheTexan]

Obviously you don't care to focus on the actual issue and what's important.

You're the arbiter of what is and isnt important? I wasn't aware. Please provide a list of talking points I am allowed to discuss so I can be sure to discuss only things that you think are important.

Because it's not ignorant and idiotic. That's what you've incorrectly made it out to be.

Nah, Rand is way off base on this. Just because you're too ignorant to notice his ignorance, does not make either of you, not ignorant.

No Rand isn't the ignorant one here. And again that's just you on your high horse completely missing the point and what's important. But you keep repeating yourself over and over and over again while missing the point if it makes you feel better.

Dude even $#@!ing Blinken smoked Rand on this topic when Rand tried to debate him on this. $#@!ing Blinken of all people.

When you and Rand both share the same opinion as George Soros maybe, just maybe you could be wrong on this.

You can either continue to proclaim how "not ignorant" you are all day long,
OR, you can educate yourself on this,
OR, you can explain to me how your position is not ignorant by demonstrating that you have even the remote clue of what the $#@! is going on by saying something of substance.

If you want resources to help educate yourself I am happy to provide, but I get the distinct sense that you just want to remain ignorant because that's just who you are. I think you take pride in being ignorant

[tebowlives]

You're the arbiter of what is and isnt important? I wasn't aware. Please provide a list of talking points I am allowed to discuss so I can be sure to discuss only things that you think are important.

Already been answered. You continue to ignore it and deflect.

Nah, Rand is way off base on this. Just because you're too ignorant to notice his ignorance, does not make either of you, not ignorant.

You're ignorant on what's important.

Dude even $#@!ing Blinken smoked Rand on this topic when Rand tried to debate him on this. $#@!ing Blinken of all people.

Dude you keep repeating yourself and deflecting.

When you and Rand both share the same opinion as George Soros maybe, just maybe you could be wrong on this.

When you make it about the speaker, you've lost. It's about the Constitution.

You can either continue to proclaim how "not ignorant" you are all day long,
OR, you can educate yourself on this,
OR, you can explain to me how your position is not ignorant by demonstrating that you have even the remote clue of what the $#@! is going on by saying something of substance.

You can be ignorant on what's important. You can be ignorant in a car, you can be ignorant in a bar...

If you want resources to help educate yourself I am happy to provide, but I get the distinct sense that you just want to remain ignorant because that's just who you are. I think you take pride in being ignorant

Your deflection on what Rand is doing and what's important is laughable. I know you take pride in trying to be right instead of caring about the truth.

"oh but ignorant, umm and ignorant, and ahhhhh ignorant. hey look at me, I'm the one who is all knowing and you're the one who is ignorant because I said you are. oh and ignorant."
lol I didn't realize I got under your skin that much.

Your entire catty post once again ignores Rands point about making it Constitutional. If you don't want to discuss that, then why continue? - rhetorical

[Swordsmyth]

Read Rands point before commenting. Even though you have continued to ignore Rands entire point, I will continue to point it out because that is what matters.
Again -
"In the coming days I will propose conditions to the treaty stating that Article 5 does not supersede the constitutional requirement that Congress declare war before engaging in hostilities, and that the U.S. will not bear any costs caused by the addition of Sweden and Finland to NATO."

If you want to ignore the fact that he wants Congress to declare war, which they won't, that's on you.

He's going to let them ignore his proposals and do whatever they want without even a symbolic vote against.
He is also feeding their pro-war, pro-Ukraine, anti-Russia agenda with his words.
If we get into WWIII and get nuked it will be partly his fault.

[Swordsmyth]

Rand is stepping out of the way of interventionism and feeding the interventionist agenda.
Whether or not Russia is wrong doesn't really matter to us, we should do nothing about it and that includes allowing more members into NATO to then have a claim on us to be dragged into their wars.

P.S. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and criminal countries in the world and has participated in crimes against the American people, I hope Russia wins.

[tebowlives]

He's going to let them ignore his proposals and do whatever they want without even a symbolic vote against.
He is also feeding their pro-war, pro-Ukraine, anti-Russia agenda with his words.
If we get into WWIII and get nuked it will be partly his fault.

lol Stop with the nonsense. Even though Rand is the one who wont fund them, he'll be partly to blame? Really? you're seeing too much into this imo.

[tebowlives]

Rand is stepping out of the way of interventionism and feeding the interventionist agenda.
Whether or not Russia is wrong doesn't really matter to us, we should do nothing about it and that includes allowing more members into NATO to then have a claim on us to be dragged into their wars.

No he's not stepping out of the way. He's making it about the Constitution like he should. That is where he wants the conversation to go. And yes we should do nothing about it.

P.S. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and criminal countries in the world and has participated in crimes against the American people, I hope Russia wins.

Agree 100%

[TheTexan]

Already been answered. You continue to ignore it and deflect.


You're ignorant on what's important.


Dude you keep repeating yourself and deflecting.

When you make it about the speaker, you've lost. It's about the Constitution.

You can be ignorant on what's important. You can be ignorant in a car, you can be ignorant in a bar...

Your deflection on what Rand is doing and what's important is laughable. I know you take pride in trying to be right instead of caring about the truth.

"oh but ignorant, umm and ignorant, and ahhhhh ignorant. hey look at me, I'm the one who is all knowing and you're the one who is ignorant because I said you are. oh and ignorant."
lol I didn't realize I got under your skin that much.

Your entire catty post once again ignores Rands point about making it Constitutional. If you don't want to discuss that, then why continue? - rhetorical

I'm done arguing with you as I'd get more value arguing with a brick wall, but you should just know this : Rand has "room for improvement" on this issue.

[tebowlives]

I'm done arguing with you

All you did was repeat yourself. oh but ignorant

as I'd get more value arguing with a brick wall,

A brick wall has more substance than you and isn't ignorant

but you should just know this : Rand has "room for improvement" on this issue.

Because making it about the Constitution is bad? Understood. Don't get hurt falling off that high horse. But you should just know one thing, that horse is ignorant.

[TheTexan]

All you did was repeat yourself. oh but ignorant

A brick wall has more substance than you and isn't ignorant

Because making it about the Constitution is bad? Understood. Don't get hurt falling off that high horse. But you should just know one thing, that horse is ignorant.

Every time I tried to add substance you just responded with insults anyway. At least the insults were fun because that was the only discussion happening.

BTW I wiped my ass this morning with a piece of your constitution. I added substance to it

It's now worth more than it was before

[tebowlives]

Every time I tried to add substance you just responded with insults anyway.

No you didn't. You ignored the constitutional aspect and you still are.

At least the insults were fun because that was the only discussion happening.

Because of your inability to focus on what's important. It's called the Constitution

BTW I wiped my ass this morning with a piece of your constitution. I added substance to it

It's now worth more than it was before

Good that you admit you don't care enough about the Constitution. Too busy being clever and breaking your word Mr. "I'm done arguing with you".

Keep deflecting and repeating yourself while ignoring the Constitution.

[TheTexan]

No you didn't. You ignored the constitutional aspect and you still are.

Because of your inability to focus on what's important. It's called the Constitution

Good that you admit you don't care enough about the Constitution. Too busy being clever and breaking your word Mr. "I'm done arguing with you".

Keep deflecting and repeating yourself while ignoring the Constitution.

omg he insulted muh constitushuhn

[tebowlives]

So you post this telling the forum you are done -

I'm done arguing with you as I'd get more value arguing with a brick wall, but you should just know this : Rand has "room for improvement" on this issue.

Yet you continue to post

omg he insulted muh constitushuhn

I got under your skin when I exposed your Highness and now you're proving your word is no good.

The Constitution still matters.

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1549475146804727808

[TheTexan]

...

"omg muh constitution"

[TheTexan]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1549475146804727808

One could pretty easily make the claim that Congress has delegated its constitutional duty to declare war to NATO.

Which is a $#@!ing stupid thing to do, but still "potentially" "constitutional"

Either way, I am glad that Rand is pushing that angle

[tebowlives]

One could pretty easily make the claim that Congress has delegated its constitutional duty to declare war to NATO.

Which is a $#@!ing stupid thing to do, but still "potentially" "constitutional"

Either way, I am glad that Rand is pushing that angle

Good to see you finally come around.

[TheTexan]

Good to see you finally come around.

Not really, I still use the constitution as toilet paper. But Rand pushing back on NATO is a good thing. Even if he is otherwise ignorant on Putin aggression bull$#@!.

[tebowlives]

Not really, I still use the constitution as toilet paper. But Rand pushing back on NATO is a good thing. Even if he is otherwise ignorant on Putin aggression bull$#@!.

lol Yes really. You even said so. Thanks again for coming around.

[TheTexan]

lol Yes really. You even said so. Thanks again for coming around.

Ya ok sure.... you do realize this was my position to begin with? Of course you don't realize that. That would take actual, I don't know, reading, and like, comprehension, and stuff

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1549475146804727808

But he will vote present instead of No anyway.
He can't have seriously expected anything else.

[Swordsmyth]

Thomas Massie and 17 Other Republicans Voted Against Resolution to Support Finland and Sweden Joining NATO

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/thomas...-joining-nato/


Massie has a spine.

[tebowlives]

But he will vote present instead of No anyway.

Either way, do you have a point?

He can't have seriously expected anything else.

He didn't. That you think he might have, is just more of your fake drama.

[tebowlives]

Ya ok sure.... you do realize this was my position to begin with?

No it wasn't. You didn't make it about the Constitution. Instead Rand ignorant.

Of course you don't realize that.

That's your second lie in this thread. When one doesn't have a leg to stand on, make something up.

That would take actual, I don't know, reading, and like, comprehension, and stuff

Actually that would take actual, I don't know, honesty, and like, making it about the Constitution, and stuff.

lol You even post like a valley girl thinking you're clever.

Like um actually... errr...I don't know. Like umm for sure.

[TheTexan]

No it wasn't. You didn't make it about the Constitution. Instead Rand ignorant.

That's your second lie in this thread. When one doesn't have a leg to stand on, make something up.


Actually that would take actual, I don't know, honesty, and like, making it about the Constitution, and stuff.

lol You even post like a valley girl thinking you're clever.

Like um actually... errr...I don't know. Like umm for sure.

"omg muh constitution"

[tebowlives]

"omg muh constitution"

lol Right on cue. I'm under your skin big time aren't I.
Gonna run, The Donger need food. Go ahead, I'll allow you to have the last word seeing as how I've exposed you.

The Constitution matters.

[TheTexan]

lol Right on cue. I'm under your skin big time aren't I.
Gonna run, The Donger need food. Go ahead, I'll allow you to have the last word seeing as how I've exposed you.

The Constitution matters.

"muh constitution omg"

[TheTexan]

Rand is stepping out of the way of interventionism and feeding the interventionist agenda.
Whether or not Russia is wrong doesn't really matter to us, we should do nothing about it and that includes allowing more members into NATO to then have a claim on us to be dragged into their wars.

P.S. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and criminal countries in the world and has participated in crimes against the American people, I hope Russia wins.

Pretty much spot on.

Whether or not Russia is wrong doesn't really matter to us

It kinda does in a big picture sense. My #1 issue is secession and it has been for many years, because the right to self determination is the root of all freedom.

And when Rand says stuff like Putin is the aggressor in this conflict, he's actively working against the right to self determination. (And he's actively working against the "constitushun" which is also founded on the right to self determination)

It's obviously not a huge issue that Rand says stuff like this, but I would still prefer he either get his facts right or just keep his aggressor opinions to himself.

[Swordsmyth]

Either way, do you have a point?


He didn't. That you think he might have, is just more of your fake drama.

He is supposed to vote NO.
Using something he knew would fail to excuse his failure to do so doesn't cut it.