Chicago PlayStation Users Furious They Must Now Pay A 9% "Amusement Tax"

[Swordsmyth]

Why do u always respond to the trolls here? It just encourages them.

Because there are many people here who agree with them and I don't want noobs taken in by their lies.

The site staff won't ban them so somebody has to do battle with them.

[Swordsmyth]

Trolls playing ping pong ties a forum right up. That's why they do it for hours on end.

Tell it to the site staff, if the trolls aren't banned and nobody counters their lies then they win.

[Swordsmyth]

Cry me a river.

For one thing, who gives a poo about stupid ass video games? Yeah, they can be fun, but so what? There is nothing important in them. Not a whit. So either stop playing if the taxes are so offensive, or STFU and go on like the junkies most of those people are. I see little difference in principle between video addicts and the crack ho' who puts penises of questionable provenance into their mouths for token sums.

If you have no self-respect, that's fine. Just don't try to make it the John's fault. Nobody's got a gun to your head.

Humans.

If you don't like video games that is fine, this isn't about games so much as the fact that Chicago is trying to wring every loose nickle out of its residents.

[osan]

Unless you're Ender Wiggins who saved the earth with video games.

I'm so clueless on those fronts, I have no idea who that is.

These taxes are most likely unconstitutional which most taxes are- so we should all be somewhat concerned that everything is getting additional taxes upon taxes upon taxes.

All taxes are immoral.

Sadly, in this überscrewed world, it seems that at least some of them are necessary if a people is to defend itself against the predations of other populations. Then again, there's nothing to say that "government" is somehow better at managing national defense. I dunno... this crap all makes my head hurt anymore, and it's been hurting a lot lately, what with my new bad habit of elevated blood pressure. Then there's my other daughter who's decided to move to Barcelona to be near her sister and two niece/nephews.

[Anti Globalist]

Soon Xbox and Nintendo users will have to do the same thing. Unless they're already doing it.

[dude58677]

“Liberalism is a mental disorder”

[Swordsmyth]

I'm so clueless on those fronts, I have no idea who that is.

It's a reference to a character in a science fiction movie who succumbs to enemy brainwashing and becomes a traitor after winning the war for his side.

[osan]

If you don't like video games that is fine, this isn't about games so much as the fact that Chicago is trying to wring every loose nickle out of its resident.

I understand that. My point was that the players are whining about the tax on something the importance of which is just this side of zero. It appears all they can do it whine about the nasty taxes but will not suck it up like cowboys and deny that den of iniquity its revenue stream by refusing to play. They behave as despicable addicts and on that account I have no sympathy for them. Yeah, the überdouches in Chicago have no authority to do what they have done and to that point players' complaints are valid. But they can do something about it, yet apparently aren't doing it because it would seem their games are more important than the fact that they're being put over the wood. Once again, corruption of the affluent wins out over doing what is right. FAIL.

[osan]

It's a reference to a character in a science fiction movie who succumbs to enemy brainwashing and becomes a traitor after winning the war for his side.

Sounds like a Manchurian candidate.

[Ender]

It's a reference to a character in a science fiction movie who succumbs to enemy brainwashing and becomes a traitor after winning the war for his side.

NO.

It is a character in a BOOK who is a real hero & learns what the evil government he is living under is really doing to it's people as well as others.

Try reading.

[acptulsa]

NO.

It is a character in a BOOK who is a real hero & learns what the evil government he is living under is really doing to it's people as well as others.

Try reading.

Oh. Well. No wonder the shylls are spreading misinformation about him.

[DamianTV]

I'm so clueless on those fronts, I have no idea who that is.




All taxes are immoral.

Sadly, in this überscrewed world, it seems that at least some of them are necessary if a people is to defend itself against the predations of other populations. Then again, there's nothing to say that "government" is somehow better at managing national defense. I dunno... this crap all makes my head hurt anymore, and it's been hurting a lot lately, what with my new bad habit of elevated blood pressure. Then there's my other daughter who's decided to move to Barcelona to be near her sister and two niece/nephews.

Ender's Game. Movie. Basically, children are screened for military tactical geniuses, and those skills are focused on thru playing video games.

Taxation in this case is in an effort to continue Socialism, the Great Lie where everyone lives at the expense of everyone else, which is what the Taxes are used to fund. I already made my case from a Monetary perspective, but kind of doubt anyone read a word of it.

[osan]

There are a few problems here. I will address one or two.

Money Printing is Counterfeiting

First issue, and it is a big one: You employ "money" where you should be using "currency". There is literally no such a thing as printed money. Paper, most especially when it is irredeemable, cannot by definition be "money". It is only currency. The two are not the same. All money may be currency, but not all currency is money.

All money printed must be destroyed.

You've not quite explained this clearly, which is not to say I disagree, but that a more detailed and clear description of what is meant by "destroy" and why it "must" be.

The Life Cycle of the US Dollar as a Fiat Currency, and the World Reserve Fiat Currency is coming to an end.

On what do you base this assertion? Again, not saying you are wrong, but that you put it out there without 'splaining.

The system is unbalanced

Depends on how one looks at it. Thus far, I see it as being quite in balance, precarious though it may be.

Ignorance of the nature of Coin and Credit has gotten us into this mess,

THIS^^^^^.

[Ender]

Ender's Game. Movie. Basically, children are screened for military tactical geniuses, and those skills are focused on thru playing video games.

Taxation in this case is in an effort to continue Socialism, the Great Lie where everyone lives at the expense of everyone else, which is what the Taxes are used to fund. I already made my case from a Monetary perspective, but kind of doubt anyone read a word of it.

Ender's Game. BOOK- by Orson Scott Card, one of the greatest living sci-fi writers today. (The movie doesn't come close in brilliance.)

And, what you say is true about the military & video games, Still, as I said earlier, the real story is when Ender becomes a real hero as he learns what the evil government he is living under is really doing to its people as well as others.

[TheCount]

What subsidy?

http://www.georgia.org/industries/en...on-incentives/

1 The Constitution prohibits the states from taxing interstate commerce and even if that weren't the case or shouldn't be the case we must abide by the rules until they can be changed. (that is why they didn't make it a tariff, game services based in the state or the city are not exempted)

Given that you oppose freedom of movement among the states, I'm assuming that you also oppose free trade among the states, and are merely arguing this point because you are incapable of not posting.

Also, obviously they can simply offset that tax with a subsidy to in-state studios.

2 That which is permissible isn't always advisable, Chicago and Illinois already overtax their residents and they didn't cut other taxes and shift to a tariff.

If it's advisable to tax international trade, why would it not be advisable to tax interstate trade?

[Swordsmyth]

http://www.georgia.org/industries/en...on-incentives/

I see tax cuts, not subsidies.

Given that you oppose freedom of movement among the states, I'm assuming that you also oppose free trade among the states, and are merely arguing this point because you are incapable of not posting.

I'm arguing it because the rules must be observed as they are unless/until they are changed.
I believe that interstate tariffs should be allowed but they should be limited to a percentage set by the feds and only the destination state should be allowed to collect them.

Also, obviously they can simply offset that tax with a subsidy to in-state studios.

Which they haven't done because their goal is to wring money out of their citizens.
They might also be challenged for regulating interstate commerce if they tried that workaround.

If it's advisable to tax international trade, why would it not be advisable to tax interstate trade?

It might be but in this case as I said they already overtax their residents and they didn't cut other taxes and shift to a tariff.

[DamianTV]

There are a few problems here. I will address one or two.

First issue, and it is a big one: You employ "money" where you should be using "currency". There is literally no such a thing as printed money. Paper, most especially when it is irredeemable, cannot by definition be "money". It is only currency. The two are not the same. All money may be currency, but not all currency is money.

First reply is absolutely +REP worthy! You are very very correct, Money is not printed, I was just using the term rather loosely. The real definition, I should have used "currency" because currency bleeds out its value over time, money does not.

Second point, also again you are correct. Real money, when the definition is used correctly, can not be "destroyed". The "money" I meant was "Debt Based Currency" due to its nature. Its borrowed into existence, thus leaving the currency in existence as long as the debt exists. However, when the "loan is paid off", that currency is destroyed. The actual paper is redistributed, but the currency itself no longer exists on the books.

I based the "coming to and end" for the US Dollar as the worlds reserve currency on current events. Things like BRICs, and other nations seeking other ways to back their currency. It still is the Reserve Currency, but that is changing, IMHO. Other countries have seen the long term destructive nature of our Fiat Currency as their Reserve Currency and most likely want to switch away from it.

All in all, very good points!

[osan]

First reply is absolutely +REP worthy! You are very very correct, Money is not printed, I was just using the term rather loosely. The real definition, I should have used "currency" because currency bleeds out its value over time, money does not.

Second point, also again you are correct. Real money, when the definition is used correctly, can not be "destroyed". The "money" I meant was "Debt Based Currency" due to its nature. Its borrowed into existence, thus leaving the currency in existence as long as the debt exists. However, when the "loan is paid off", that currency is destroyed. The actual paper is redistributed, but the currency itself no longer exists on the books.

I based the "coming to and end" for the US Dollar as the worlds reserve currency on current events. Things like BRICs, and other nations seeking other ways to back their currency. It still is the Reserve Currency, but that is changing, IMHO. Other countries have seen the long term destructive nature of our Fiat Currency as their Reserve Currency and most likely want to switch away from it.

All in all, very good points!

If USA would give the Fed the heave-ho and execute all its officers, then return to minted gold currency, the dollar would remain supreme indefinitely.

That, of course, will not happen

[DamianTV]

If USA would give the Fed the heave-ho and execute all its officers, then return to minted gold currency, the dollar would remain supreme indefinitely.

That, of course, will not happen

Yep. Our leaders are addicted to the Debt the Federal Reserve Bank offers because otherwise, they have to raise taxes for the revenue for their War and Welfare paradigm, and raising taxes makes them quite unpopular. The important bit is they continue to maintain a dishonest currency, and with that knowledge, makes our Leaders the Dishonest ones. We are ALL victims of the schemes of Central Banking.

[osan]

Yep. Our leaders are addicted to the Debt the Federal Reserve Bank offers because otherwise, they have to raise taxes for the revenue for their War and Welfare paradigm, and raising taxes makes them quite unpopular. The important bit is they continue to maintain a dishonest currency, and with that knowledge, makes our Leaders the Dishonest ones. We are ALL victims of the schemes of Central Banking.

Are we? If so, it says nothing good about our moral fiber... being so well armed as we are and all.

It would appear convenience and the "sin" of crushing debt suits us just fine, despite our complaints.

[DamianTV]

Are we? If so, it says nothing good about our moral fiber... being so well armed as we are and all.

It would appear convenience and the "sin" of crushing debt suits us just fine, despite our complaints.

It does. Of course, alcoholics also think that "just one more drink" will at least temporarily fix their "problems". And it goes right back to Ignorance of the nature of Coin and Credit... so full circle. What gets to me is even if people hear that statement about Ignorance, they never seek to eliminate their own ignorance, and continue making the same demands that the "alcoholic" or "addict" (which includes debt) that got us in trouble in the first place.

Then an Einstein Quote comes up.

Insanity is doing the same exact thing and expecting completely different results.

[osan]

It does. Of course, alcoholics also think that "just one more drink" will at least temporarily fix their "problems". And it goes right back to Ignorance of the nature of Coin and Credit... so full circle. What gets to me is even if people hear that statement about Ignorance, they never seek to eliminate their own ignorance, and continue making the same demands that the "alcoholic" or "addict" (which includes debt) that got us in trouble in the first place.

Then an Einstein Quote comes up.

Humans.