Tom Woods on Social Justice Warriors and How To Deal With Them

[AuH20]

http://tomwoods.com/podcast/ep-703-s...eal-with-them/

What exactly is the ideology of the “Social Justice Warrior”? What do you do when you’re targeted by one, whether at work or in general? Vox Day — popular blogger, author, SJW slayer, and polymath — joins me for background and strategy.

[AZJoe]

[r3volution 3.0]

SJWs are communists, plain and simple.

You deal with them the same way we've always dealt with communists; point out that communism is retarded.

The more pressing question is: who are the alt-right and how do you deal with them?

The answer to which is, they're NAZIs, and you don't pander to them like certain people (cough*Woods*cough*Rockwell*cough) have been doing.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

SJWs are communists, plain and simple.

You deal with them the same way we've always dealt with communists; point out that communism is retarded.

THat doesn't work. Liberals don't care if they are wrong or not. They refuse to listen.

The more pressing question is: who are the alt-right and how do you deal with them?

The answer to which is, they're NAZIs, and you don't pander to them like certain people (cough*Woods*cough*Rockwell*cough) have been doing.

Well, I am not a Nazi but I am alt right. Now what do you say?

You are more intelligent than buying into the NWO lies.

[merkelstan]

I always found it interesting how the word - and concept - of "justice" is insufficient for the left. It has to be "social justice", Well what distinguishes "social justice" from "justice"?

Perhaps "social justice" is actually a label for a program of injustice?

[AZJoe]

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[AZJoe]

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"The eight stages of the SJW attack sequence are as follows:
1. Locate or Create a Violation of the Narrative.
2. Point and Shriek.
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4. Reject and Transform.
5. Press for Surrender.
6. Appeal to Amenable Authority.
7. Show Trial.
8. Victory Parade.
...
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For further reading: SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police

[otherone]

SJWs are communists, plain and simple.

Even simpler; SJWs are cultists.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

Even simpler; SJWs are cultists.

Yes. Agreed. But I call them cucks.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

I always found it interesting how the word - and concept - of "justice" is insufficient for the left. It has to be "social justice", Well what distinguishes "social justice" from "justice"?

Perhaps "social justice" is actually a label for a program of injustice?

SJW are retards. They seem to believe that non-whites are oppressed when in reality all the government does is give them special benefits and privileges at the expense of white taxpayers.

[merkelstan]

SJW are retards. They seem to believe that non-whites are oppressed when in reality all the government does is give them special benefits and privileges at the expense of white taxpayers.

I think 'taxpayers' alone would have been sufficient and more accurate. I don't know the racial breakdown of taxpayer vs welfare recipient in the USA is though. Do you have any numbers?

In Germany, the govt. stats I saw for e.g. have 40% of those of Turkish descent on welfare, so the majority of them are taxpayers too.

[Danke]

I think 'taxpayers' alone would have been sufficient and more accurate. I don't know the racial breakdown of taxpayer vs welfare recipient in the USA is though. Do you have any numbers?

In Germany, the govt. stats I saw for e.g. have 40% of those of Turkish descent on welfare, so the majority of them are taxpayers too.

Germany needs more immigrants. Fur sure.

[dannno]

The more pressing question is: who are the alt-right and how do you deal with them?

The answer to which is, they're NAZIs, and you don't pander to them like certain people (cough*Woods*cough*Rockwell*cough) have been doing.

Nazis supported Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein and many other political candidates, that doesn't mean their supporters are all Nazis.. almost all who identify as alt-right are not Nazis, when the Nazi dude showed up to the Trump rally in Portland they kicked him out and called the cops.. the cops didn't do anything and he ended up murdering some leftists. They also thought he was trolling them, apparently he was talking about Trump's Nazi army on his twitter like they were the enemy, so why did he try to become that? He was obviously crazy, may have had some help, who knows.

But the point is real Nazis are few and far between, and many are feds. Saying the alt-right are Nazis is a mainstream media deep state tactic.

Now, Mike Cernovich claims he is not part of the alt-right because he thinks it has been too tainted with the racist Nazi types. He considers himself "new right", which I don't know I like that because new right is close to neo right which is linguistically close to neo nazi, so you have that whole association. I don't really consider myself alt-right either, but there are certainly a lot in the movement who have been influential in shifting politics into an anti-deep state nationalism versus deep state globalism.

[dannno]

As far as answering the OP, the way you deal with them is to be firm and calm. Let them become hysterical.

My roommate for the last year is a major SJW, she has a social justice calendar and a whole bookshelf full of social justice warrior books.

She didn't know I supported Trump until about 2 months ago when I started defending him on the Russia stuff then went on to some other things. She flipped out and started fights with me about all sorts of random house $#@! for the next week or so. She is the lease holder so she can decide to kick me out any time. But things calmed down, now we have a better relationship than we did before the debacle. Not sure how long that will last though.

[merkelstan]

shifting politics into an anti-deep state nationalism versus deep state globalism.

That alone is extremist or 'Nazi', at least on this side of the pond.

[Danke]

That alone is extremist or 'Nazi', at least on this side of the pond.

Why did you guys ban this song? I'd like to get it in quadraphonic.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

I think 'taxpayers' alone would have been sufficient and more accurate. I don't know the racial breakdown of taxpayer vs welfare recipient in the USA is though. Do you have any numbers?

In Germany, the govt. stats I saw for e.g. have 40% of those of Turkish descent on welfare, so the majority of them are taxpayers too.

You're right. Everyone pays taxes. But I said white taxpayers because the SJWs accuse whites of being racist. If we are so racist why do we fund these programs?

[Ron Paul in 2008]

Nazis supported Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein and many other political candidates, that doesn't mean their supporters are all Nazis.. almost all who identify as alt-right are not Nazis,

You're pretty reasonable, but I don't think people of the alt right voted for Bernie Sanders. Hes Jewish. So is Jill Stein. It doesn't make sense from an alt-right perspective to vote for them. And this isn't just because they are JEws, but because they are extreme open borders types.

But the point is real Nazis are few and far between, and many are feds. Saying the alt-right are Nazis is a mainstream media deep state tactic.

Its kinda like "Nut picking." They focus on the nuts who are Nazis and only give them press to discredit the rest of the alt right who are mostly normal conservative people.

One thing I know about leftists is every tactic and attack they use is always derived from some logical fallacy.

Now, Mike Cernovich claims he is not part of the alt-right because he thinks it has been too tainted with the racist Nazi types. He considers himself "new right", which I don't know I like that because new right is close to neo right which is linguistically close to neo nazi, so you have that whole association. I don't really consider myself alt-right either, but there are certainly a lot in the movement who have been influential in shifting politics into an anti-deep state nationalism versus deep state globalism.

While I sorta like and respect Mike Cernovich, I think its hes a dumbass if he is letting the media narrative that we are Nazis influence him out of the alt right. If anything he should call them out.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

As far as answering the OP, the way you deal with them is to be firm and calm. Let them become hysterical.

Leftists are overly emotional. TO get through to them I suppose we have to be emotional too, in addition to what you suggested.

My roommate for the last year is a major SJW, she has a social justice calendar and a whole bookshelf full of social justice warrior books.

She didn't know I supported Trump until about 2 months ago when I started defending him on the Russia stuff then went on to some other things. She flipped out and started fights with me about all sorts of random house $#@! for the next week or so. She is the lease holder so she can decide to kick me out any time. But things calmed down, now we have a better relationship than we did before the debacle. Not sure how long that will last though.

You generally have nothing to gain by debating with far leftists types. She is not going to change her beliefs. IF I were you I would stop talking about politics. Only work on people you can change.

[r3volution 3.0]

almost all who identify as alt-right are not Nazis

Almost all who identify as alt-right are highly nationalistic and socialistic.

Most of them aren't literally members of the (new) NAZI party, of course, but that's beside the point.

...though, were they magically transported to Germany c. 1932, they clearly would be members of the NAZI party.

Similarly, SJWs aren't members of the Bolshevik Party, but they have the same ideology, and would no doubt have joined at the time.

[juleswin]

SJWs are communists, plain and simple.

You deal with them the same way we've always dealt with communists; point out that communism is retarded.

The more pressing question is: who are the alt-right and how do you deal with them?

The answer to which is, they're NAZIs, and you don't pander to them like certain people (cough*Woods*cough*Rockwell*cough) have been doing.

*cough* Stefan Molyenux *cough* Justin Ramondo *cough* Tom DiLorenzo.

[juleswin]

Almost all who identify as alt-right are highly nationalistic and socialistic.

Most of them aren't literally members of the (new) NAZI party, of course, but that's beside the point.

...though, were they magically transported to Germany c. 1932, they clearly would be members of the NAZI party.

Similarly, SJWs aren't members of the Bolshevik Party, but they have the same ideology, and would no doubt have joined at the time.

The Chinese are very nationalistic and socialist but nobody calls them Nazis. The term Nazi usually imply that some is anti-semetic or holds genocidal ideologies against some race. These people are mostly anti Nazis and they believe every statement made by the victors about the Nazi regime. They also support the most pro Israel candidate the US has ever seen.

Can we please stop referring to these people as Nazis, the Nazis deserve better

[r3volution 3.0]

The Chinese are very nationalistic and socialist but nobody calls them Nazis. The term Nazi usually imply that some is anti-semetic or holds genocidal ideologies against some race. These people are mostly anti Nazis and they believe every statement made by the victors about the Nazi regime. They also support the most pro Israel candidate the US has ever seen.

I use Nazism/fascism to refer loosely to any form of nationalistic socialism, in contrast to egalitarian socialism (which I loosely call bolshevism).

...I ignore the anti-Semitic aspect, because that's not why the NAZIs were bad (would have been no better if they hated Japanese instead).

You're right that the Chinese are closer to the former than the latter. The same with the Norks, and even the USSR under Stain (contra Lenin).

Can we please stop referring to these people as Nazis, the Nazis deserve better

In fairness to the NAZIs, I rarely called Trump Hitler without prefacing it with "retard-".

The real deal would no doubt be disgusted at the lumpenproles running their gig these days.

[merkelstan]

Why did you guys ban this song? I'd like to get it in quadraphonic.

I actually had to google that. The national anthem isn't forbidden, but it turns-out the first two verses are no-longer sung for PC-reasons. A court ruling determined they were not illegal 'because the song did not 'belong to' an outlawed political party..

The first verse describes a geographical area between some rivers I never heard-of which apparently delineates a territory larger than the current German state. This is objectionable because it proclaims either German State territory which doesn't legally belong to the country, or another interpretation is it describes a region as being culturally German irrespective of state boundaries. I can't be arsed to research more.

The un-pc-ness of the 2nd verse is actually pretty funny, imo. Here i is:

Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
Sollen in der Welt behalten
Ihren alten schönen Klang
Uns zu edler Tat begeistern
Unser ganzes Leben lang

German maids and german faithfulness
German wine and German song
Shall maintain in the world
Their beautiful tenor
And motivate to noble deeds
Our whole life long

As offensive as German Nationalism has been, this seems rather sweet. What don't they like? Praising our womenfolk?

[Madison320]

http://tomwoods.com/podcast/ep-703-s...eal-with-them/

I guess you could point out that they believe in force and legalized theft and initiating violence, but I doubt it would make much difference.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

...though, were they magically transported to Germany c. 1932, they clearly would be members of the NAZI party.

I wouldn't be. I would definitely have sympathy for some social policies, but I am against dictatorships even if they are pro-white.

[AZJoe]

SJWs are communists, plain and simple. ... point out that communism is retarded.... The more pressing question is: who are the alt-right and how do you deal with them?.

More pressing? In what lala land universe is that? I have yet to see the so called "alt-right" beliefs being propagated by the MSM, being forced as official policy throughout academia, or permeating the general mindset of academia, or being taught and implement on students as policy in major universities. I have yet to see the so called "alt-right" violently blocking people from attending a speaker, or blocking speakers from speaking, shouting down and obstructing private speaking events, or advocate censorship as official policy, punishing those who espouse anything deemed "offensive" outside the 3x5 index card of allowable opinion, or advocate segregated dorms and student facilities, or shutting down a burrito stand for "cultural appropriation", or forcing someone to "bake the damn cake" or else forfeit your livelihood, or by threat of violence force businesses or schools to mandate female customers must share restrooms with men wearing wigs, or that schoolgirls must compete athletically against boys with wigs, or forming a modern day "brownshirts" #antifa brigade to intimidate and assault and set fires and blockade and beat people ....
These are all the policies and actions of the SJW nazis. By their tactics, and actions, the SJWs are the modern day nazi brigade.

Nor does simply pointing out to SJWs that their beliefs are "retarded" fix anything. Who knew that all a targeted professor or speaker or student needed to do was simply tell them their beliefs are" retarded" and miraculously the SJW censorship and harassment and violence would end.

[dannno]

You generally have nothing to gain by debating with far leftists types. She is not going to change her beliefs. IF I were you I would stop talking about politics. Only work on people you can change.

Hah, like I said I didn't bring up politics for 10 months, which is very difficult for me I assure you.. look at my post count.. But when the first argument you have with your new roommate is her being mad at you because your dog went in her room and ate her dog's dog food, then the second argument is her being mad at you because her dog went into your room and ate your dog's dog food, do you really think I expected to have a rational discussion about something as complex as politics with this person? I don't care if she is a PhD student (which she is)..

[osan]

http://tomwoods.com/podcast/ep-703-s...eal-with-them/

This all presupposes a need to "deal" with them. For the most part, I ignore them. Occasionally, I toy with them, though they are not much sport. I don't need to destroy them because they are auto-destructive any time they open their ignorant, self-important yaps. How could it be any other way, given the carrying-on typical of their kind?

[osan]

SJWs are communists, plain and simple.

You deal with them the same way we've always dealt with communists; point out that communism is retarded.

The more pressing question is: who are the alt-right and how do you deal with them?

The answer to which is, they're NAZIs, and you don't pander to them like certain people (cough*Woods*cough*Rockwell*cough) have been doing.

I sure hope this is some sort of attempt at sarcastic humor.