Alex Jones to Debate Piers Morgan LIVE! 1/7/12 9PM ET (video added)

[Deborah K]

Can we just be clear on one thing? AJ doesn't represent our 'movement'. He is only a facet of it. Dr. Paul is our representative. That's IF we still consider ourselves the Ron Paul Revolution.

[MelissaCato]

Can we just be clear on one thing? AJ doesn't represent our 'movement'. He is only a facet of it. Dr. Paul is our representative. That's IF we still consider ourselves the Ron Paul Revolution.

Alex Jones has always been apart of the Ron Paul Revolution. Why do you think Ron Paul himself will be on the Alex Jones Show tomorrow ? This is what most you need to understand - we are in this together and need to defend our own. WE are the Ron Paul Revolution.

[Anti Federalist]

Can we just be clear on one thing? AJ doesn't represent our 'movement'. He is only a facet of it. Dr. Paul is our representative. That's IF we still consider ourselves the Ron Paul Revolution.

Agreed.

I have no idea why this is so hard to understand.

We, all of us, are representatives, we are not a monolithic group by any means.

And we all have different styles that all serve different purposes.

[fr33]

Sounds like many of the rabid AJ haters on here.

No it doesn't. Nobody ever says anything like that here. But I do believe you could be delusional enough to see that happening when it isn't.

[kcchiefs6465]

Ron Paul = Thomas Jefferson

Alex Jones = Sam Adams

Smdh.

ETA: Please, by all means, how is Alex Jones is the equivalent of Samuel Adams? I don't understand the comparison.

[jtap]

I agree with Alex sometimes and even Agree with Glenn Beck sometimes, but I'd rather see Alex's ranting angry emotion than Glenn's crying

[Anti Federalist]

Smdh.

ETA: Please, by all means, how is Alex Jones is the equivalent of Samuel Adams? I don't understand the comparison.

Sam Adams was loud and confrontational and hot tempered.

[AFPVet]

I think Ron represents us better to the television audience; however, Alex does a very good job with his radio show.

[presence]

Please, by all means, how is Alex Jones is the equivalent of Samuel Adams?

(hope nobody saw that misquote)

[AuH20]

I agree with Alex sometimes and even Agree with Glenn Beck sometimes, but I'd rather see Alex's ranting angry emotion than Glenn's crying

I like Beck but Beck is too reclusive. He's not a fighter.

[Anti Federalist]

I think Ron represents us better to the television audience; however, Alex does a very good job with his radio show.

Honestly, I don't know why this always has to devolve into thousands of posts of people bashing each other over the head.

Some folks, like myself, are fans and appreciate Jones for what he is.

Others dislike him.

So be it, it takes all kinds, let it go at that.

[A Son of Liberty]

My .02: I wish Alex would have stayed away from the "conspiracy" stuff, and just hammered Morgan with facts, as he came out the gate with the number of dead at the doorstep of the state, and with the confiscations of previous totalitarians.

But to be perfectly frank, I have NO problem with the "way" he behaved. People who ratherly blandly and aristocratically discuss the rights we are and are not entitled to should be shouted down. It's well and high time that someone get in the face of these smug psuedo-intellectuals. This isn't a discussion about who is picking up the tab, for cripe's sake. This is about our God-given, natural human rights.

I have my criticisms of Alex, but other than taking the conspiracy bait, last night isn't among them. A moralizing, statist pig like Morgan needs to have a finger stuck in his chest.

[mac_hine]

Fact Check Debate: Alex Jones Vs. Piers Morgan

Fact checking Alex Jones is no easy task, especially when he made over 30 statements in a 10 minute clip. This is only a partial list of statements, a full report would take days to dissect.
Alex Jones

* FBI says there’s a 20%+ rate drop in crime: True, but over many years, not just in a single year
* About 74% of about 11,000+ gun homicides in the US were gang related: As an average, True
* 190,000 people died from hospital infections: Couldn’t find recent data but in 2009 it was the 4th leading cause of death in the United States, and this 2012 article put’s it around the same rank
* The Number 1 killer in history is “governments” who killed 292 millions people in the 21st Century: True
* Britain took your guns 15-16 years ago and it tripled violent crime: True. Britain is the most violent country in Europe
* Michael Springman head of (inaudible) department blew the whistle that the hijackers were allowed into the US: Potentially True. A lot of news outlets reported on this. Here’s one.
* Mexico, total gun ban on citizens, over 50,000 died in three years: True
* German fasle-flag firebomb April 27th 1933: [B]True[B]
* Mega banks have bragged that they have taken over in Bloomberg, AP. True, this has been said on those outlets. I’ve seen them personally but don’t have time to dig around for them.
* Criminal elements of the military industrial complex were behind 9/11: Unknown, but history will tell.
* Criminal factions of the US Military were behind Gulf of Tonkin: True, Robert McNamara said publicly that it was a false flag.
* Criminal elements of the military industrial complex were behind Operation Gladio: True
* Why don’t you go back and face charges for the hacking scandal? True
* Why did you get fired from the daily mirror for putting out fake stories? True
* The government buys 1.6 billion bullets last year : True
* The number 1 cause of death is suicide: Couldn’t find solid 2011 or 2012 data but suicide is in the top 10 and has climbed every year for over a decade. Link
* Why don’t you want to get rid of drugs? Because they’re half your sponsors? This is an exaggeration but a lot of drug companies advertise on CNN.
* 3 times the amount of people are killed with rocks, pipes, knives: Need more information, but this number is higher than you think.
* Murder with a semi automatic weapon is very low. Unknown but Hand Guns are #1 but a long shot. Here.
* Mao killed 80 million people because he was the only guy who had the guns: Estimates vary widely, with 80,000,000 on the very HIGH end.
* Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in Europe, and your country (Britain) has the highest: True

Piers Morgan

There were 35 gun murders in Britain last year: True

America has the most guns out of 23 of the richest countries in the world: True

He didn’t make too many statements.
http://thebostonliberal.com/fact-che...-morgan-78918/

[presence]

[Deborah K]

My .02: I wish Alex would have stayed away from the "conspiracy" stuff, and just hammered Morgan with facts, as he came out the gate with the number of dead at the doorstep of the state, and with the confiscations of previous totalitarians.

But to be perfectly frank, I have NO problem with the "way" he behaved. People who ratherly blandly and aristocratically discuss the rights we are and are not entitled to should be shouted down. It's well and high time that someone get in the face of these smug psuedo-intellectuals. This isn't a discussion about who is picking up the tab, for cripe's sake. This is about our God-given, natural human rights.

I have my criticisms of Alex, but other than taking the conspiracy bait, last night isn't among them. A moralizing, statist pig like Morgan needs to have a finger stuck in his chest.

Personally, I think it would have been a better tactical move if AJ would have waited before he went on the attack, for Morgan to make some stupid remark like he tends to do i.e.: "You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" - which is what he said to Larry Pratt. At that point, it would have been BEAUTIFUL to see AJ unleash hell on him.

[MelissaCato]

Well, it's evident the Alex Jones rant was just a normal Monday night for Alex. It's everyone else who's freaking out. LOL

[Antischism]

Reactions I've seen a lot of following the video (these are from people who otherwise wouldn't know Piers or Alex):

"Holy $#@!. I felt sorry for Piers in that video

This Alex Jones guy looked like an $#@! with poor reasoning and even worse self control.

It was like watching a petulant 4 year old, in the body of a 40 year old man-child, debating someone by changing the subject, raising his voice, and resulting in name calling and petty imitations.

What a piece of $#@!."


"If I ran a country I would like somebody like Alex Jones at my disposal, acting as a crazies magnet, spouting bull$#@! all day in the most obnoxious fashion to minimize him gaining a sane fanbase and whenever I have some inconvenient information that I fear will leak to the public eventually I would feed it to him first, wrapped inside more ridiculous $#@!, his credibility will tarnish whatever story there might be and I wouldn't have to worry about it getting any traction in mainstream media when the actual leak occurs."


"Guy acts like a complete psycho and I think just made every gun owner in america look like an insane gun nut."


"SMH Alex Jones made pro-2nd amendment people sounds like raging lunatics with this.

Piers Morgan and delusional anti-gun people are very easy to debate when applying logic and rationale, no need to really yell over the douche or ask him to be deported."


"Piers Morgan did less than 5% of the talking in that interview - Alex Jones made the point for him and lived up to a hugely perceived stereotype. I bet Piers had a $#@!-eating grin on him after they shut off the cameras."


It's all anecdotal, of course.

[A Son of Liberty]

Personally, I think it would have been a better tactical move if AJ would have waited to go on the attack, for Morgan to make some stupid remark like he tends to do i.e.: "You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" Which is what he said to Larry Pratt. At that point, it would have been BEAUTIFUL to see AJ unleash hell on him.

Yeah, to an extent. But, that is already out there. I like that he came out fired up. I get that people think it "discredited" the "liberty movement", but to those people I say that we are past that point. The sides have been chosen. The lines need to be drawn and, for all my disagreements with him, I'm on Alex's side of that line. Just so you know, Piers. We are not here to ask your permission to carry our weapons. We're not here to convince you that you should let us. We WILL carry our weapons. If you think we shouldn't, well... come and get 'em. Molon Labe.

[talkingpointes]

Reactions I've seen a lot of following the video (these are from people who otherwise wouldn't know Piers or Alex):

"Holy $#@!. I felt sorry for Piers in that video

This Alex Jones guy looked like an $#@! with poor reasoning and even worse self control.

It was like watching a petulant 4 year old, in the body of a 40 year old man-child, debating someone by changing the subject, raising his voice, and resulting in name calling and petty imitations.

What a piece of $#@!."


"If I ran a country I would like somebody like Alex Jones at my disposal, acting as a crazies magnet, spouting bull$#@! all day in the most obnoxious fashion to minimize him gaining a sane fanbase and whenever I have some inconvenient information that I fear will leak to the public eventually I would feed it to him first, wrapped inside more ridiculous $#@!, his credibility will tarnish whatever story there might be and I wouldn't have to worry about it getting any traction in mainstream media when the actual leak occurs."


"Guy acts like a complete psycho and I think just made every gun owner in america look like an insane gun nut."


"SMH Alex Jones made pro-2nd amendment people sounds like raging lunatics with this.

Piers Morgan and delusional anti-gun people are very easy to debate when applying logic and rationale, no need to really yell over the douche or ask him to be deported."


"Piers Morgan did less than 5% of the talking in that interview - Alex Jones made the point for him and lived up to a hugely perceived stereotype. I bet Piers had a $#@!-eating grin on him after they shut off the cameras."


It's all anecdotal, of course.

I don't want to know how the internet feels. I want to know how the voters feel about it. They were probably the only ones to watch it live as well.

[Deborah K]

"If I ran a country I would like somebody like Alex Jones at my disposal, acting as a crazies magnet, spouting bull$#@! all day in the most obnoxious fashion to minimize him gaining a sane fanbase and whenever I have some inconvenient information that I fear will leak to the public eventually I would feed it to him first, wrapped inside more ridiculous $#@!, his credibility will tarnish whatever story there might be and I wouldn't have to worry about it getting any traction in mainstream media when the actual leak occurs."

uhhh.....uhhh...that'll get ya thinkin....

[specsaregood]

That is a helluva list.

Fact Check Debate: Alex Jones Vs. Piers Morgan

Fact checking Alex Jones is no easy task, especially when he made over 30 statements in a 10 minute clip. This is only a partial list of statements, a full report would take days to dissect.
Alex Jones

* FBI says there’s a 20%+ rate drop in crime: True, but over many years, not just in a single year
* About 74% of about 11,000+ gun homicides in the US were gang related: As an average, True
* 190,000 people died from hospital infections: Couldn’t find recent data but in 2009 it was the 4th leading cause of death in the United States, and this 2012 article put’s it around the same rank
* The Number 1 killer in history is “governments” who killed 292 millions people in the 21st Century: True
* Britain took your guns 15-16 years ago and it tripled violent crime: True. Britain is the most violent country in Europe
* Michael Springman head of (inaudible) department blew the whistle that the hijackers were allowed into the US: Potentially True. A lot of news outlets reported on this. Here’s one.
* Mexico, total gun ban on citizens, over 50,000 died in three years: True
* German fasle-flag firebomb April 27th 1933: [B]True[B]
* Mega banks have bragged that they have taken over in Bloomberg, AP. True, this has been said on those outlets. I’ve seen them personally but don’t have time to dig around for them.
* Criminal elements of the military industrial complex were behind 9/11: Unknown, but history will tell.
* Criminal factions of the US Military were behind Gulf of Tonkin: True, Robert McNamara said publicly that it was a false flag.
* Criminal elements of the military industrial complex were behind Operation Gladio: True
* Why don’t you go back and face charges for the hacking scandal? True
* Why did you get fired from the daily mirror for putting out fake stories? True
* The government buys 1.6 billion bullets last year : True
* The number 1 cause of death is suicide: Couldn’t find solid 2011 or 2012 data but suicide is in the top 10 and has climbed every year for over a decade. Link
* Why don’t you want to get rid of drugs? Because they’re half your sponsors? This is an exaggeration but a lot of drug companies advertise on CNN.
* 3 times the amount of people are killed with rocks, pipes, knives: Need more information, but this number is higher than you think.
* Murder with a semi automatic weapon is very low. Unknown but Hand Guns are #1 but a long shot. Here.
* Mao killed 80 million people because he was the only guy who had the guns: Estimates vary widely, with 80,000,000 on the very HIGH end.
* Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in Europe, and your country (Britain) has the highest: True

Piers Morgan

There were 35 gun murders in Britain last year: True

America has the most guns out of 23 of the richest countries in the world: True

He didn’t make too many statements.
http://thebostonliberal.com/fact-che...-morgan-78918/

[Murray N Rothbard]

Honestly I can't think of a more damaging interview for the pro-gun side.

It would have been better if the smartest, most persuasive, ANTI-gun spokesman was up there giving a great interview. At least then we would have some material to refute. This is just no-win for our side.

[UWDude]

Reactions I've seen a lot of following the video (these are from people who otherwise wouldn't know Piers or Alex):

"Holy $#@!. I felt sorry for Piers in that video

This Alex Jones guy looked like an $#@! with poor reasoning and even worse self control.

It was like watching a petulant 4 year old, in the body of a 40 year old man-child, debating someone by changing the subject, raising his voice, and resulting in name calling and petty imitations.

What a piece of $#@!."


"If I ran a country I would like somebody like Alex Jones at my disposal, acting as a crazies magnet, spouting bull$#@! all day in the most obnoxious fashion to minimize him gaining a sane fanbase and whenever I have some inconvenient information that I fear will leak to the public eventually I would feed it to him first, wrapped inside more ridiculous $#@!, his credibility will tarnish whatever story there might be and I wouldn't have to worry about it getting any traction in mainstream media when the actual leak occurs."


"Guy acts like a complete psycho and I think just made every gun owner in america look like an insane gun nut."


"SMH Alex Jones made pro-2nd amendment people sounds like raging lunatics with this.

Piers Morgan and delusional anti-gun people are very easy to debate when applying logic and rationale, no need to really yell over the douche or ask him to be deported."


"Piers Morgan did less than 5% of the talking in that interview - Alex Jones made the point for him and lived up to a hugely perceived stereotype. I bet Piers had a $#@!-eating grin on him after they shut off the cameras."


It's all anecdotal, of course.

It's all a bunch of Brits too. check out the profiles of them.

[UWDude]

Honestly I can't think of a more damaging interview for the pro-gun side.

It would have been better if the smartest, most persuasive, ANTI-gun spokesman was up there giving a great interview. At least then we would have some material to refute. This is just no-win for our side.

Pfft, Pratt got Jonesed by Morgan.

[Deborah K]

Yeah, to an extent. But, that is already out there. I like that he came out fired up. I get that people think it "discredited" the "liberty movement", but to those people I say that we are past that point. The sides have been chosen. The lines need to be drawn and, for all my disagreements with him, I'm on Alex's side of that line. Just so you know, Piers. We are not here to ask your permission to carry our weapons. We're not here to convince you that you should let us. We WILL carry our weapons. If you think we shouldn't, well... come and get 'em. Molon Labe.

Yeah, it's out there, but that's Morgan's m.o., and waiting for it would have lent more cred to AJ, rather than him launching into it off the bat. He's capable of being civil, he behaved on 'The View' - granted it was a completely different scenario.

[A Son of Liberty]

Honestly I can't think of a more damaging interview for the pro-gun side.

It would have been better if the smartest, most persuasive, ANTI-gun spokesman was up there giving a great interview. At least then we would have some material to refute. This is just no-win for our side.

I think you're mistaken as to where we are exactly in this particular debate. In my opinion, the cases have been made. What left is there to say? Little, if anything. If they want to confiscate the guns of law abiding citizens... MOLON LABE.

[jmdrake]

+rep for posting! And looks like Alex Jones was spot on in his facts even if his delivery irked some.

Fact Check Debate: Alex Jones Vs. Piers Morgan

Fact checking Alex Jones is no easy task, especially when he made over 30 statements in a 10 minute clip. This is only a partial list of statements, a full report would take days to dissect.
Alex Jones

* FBI says there’s a 20%+ rate drop in crime: True, but over many years, not just in a single year
* About 74% of about 11,000+ gun homicides in the US were gang related: As an average, True
* 190,000 people died from hospital infections: Couldn’t find recent data but in 2009 it was the 4th leading cause of death in the United States, and this 2012 article put’s it around the same rank
* The Number 1 killer in history is “governments” who killed 292 millions people in the 21st Century: True
* Britain took your guns 15-16 years ago and it tripled violent crime: True. Britain is the most violent country in Europe
* Michael Springman head of (inaudible) department blew the whistle that the hijackers were allowed into the US: Potentially True. A lot of news outlets reported on this. Here’s one.
* Mexico, total gun ban on citizens, over 50,000 died in three years: True
* German fasle-flag firebomb April 27th 1933: [B]True[B]
* Mega banks have bragged that they have taken over in Bloomberg, AP. True, this has been said on those outlets. I’ve seen them personally but don’t have time to dig around for them.
* Criminal elements of the military industrial complex were behind 9/11: Unknown, but history will tell.
* Criminal factions of the US Military were behind Gulf of Tonkin: True, Robert McNamara said publicly that it was a false flag.
* Criminal elements of the military industrial complex were behind Operation Gladio: True
* Why don’t you go back and face charges for the hacking scandal? True
* Why did you get fired from the daily mirror for putting out fake stories? True
* The government buys 1.6 billion bullets last year : True
* The number 1 cause of death is suicide: Couldn’t find solid 2011 or 2012 data but suicide is in the top 10 and has climbed every year for over a decade. Link
* Why don’t you want to get rid of drugs? Because they’re half your sponsors? This is an exaggeration but a lot of drug companies advertise on CNN.
* 3 times the amount of people are killed with rocks, pipes, knives: Need more information, but this number is higher than you think.
* Murder with a semi automatic weapon is very low. Unknown but Hand Guns are #1 but a long shot. Here.
* Mao killed 80 million people because he was the only guy who had the guns: Estimates vary widely, with 80,000,000 on the very HIGH end.
* Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in Europe, and your country (Britain) has the highest: True

Piers Morgan

There were 35 gun murders in Britain last year: True

America has the most guns out of 23 of the richest countries in the world: True

He didn’t make too many statements.
http://thebostonliberal.com/fact-che...-morgan-78918/

[Antischism]

It's all a bunch of Brits too. check out the profiles of them.

In any case, I don't really have much of an opinion on how Alex Jones went about the interview.

I thought it was entertaining television at most.

[Danan]

Huh?

Oh I see, you split his quote! It almost seemed like you found something he said at another time/place and posted that while implying you "Hadn't put the two together until now." and found out what the "Damned liberal." was about, but that didn't make a whole lot of sense given the context or what he wrote...

Nevermind.

[Brian Coulter]

Operation Gladio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

of note is the May 31, 1972 Peteano massacre
Magistrate Felice Casson discovered that "the explosives used in the attack came from one of 139 secret weapons depots of a secret army organized under the code name Operation Gladio".[21] Neofascist Vincenzo Vinciguerra confessed in 1984 to judge Felice Casson of having carried out the Peteano terrorist attack, in which three policemen died, and for which the Red Brigades (BR) had been blamed before.


Attack their own people, kill 3 of their own police, blame it on the commies.

this was 1972.

Slaughter theaters and schools full of innocents, blame it on law abiding gun owners.

All coincidence theorists need to spontaneously combust now.