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    The Jackboots Are Coming: Mass Arrests, Power Grabs and the Politics of Fear

    Great article, well worth the read!

    https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...litics_of_fear


    “Never has our future been more unpredictable, never have we depended so much on political forces that cannot be trusted to follow the rules of common sense and self-interest—forces that look like sheer insanity, if judged by the standards of other centuries.” ― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

    How do you persuade a populace to embrace totalitarianism, that goose-stepping form of tyranny in which the government has all of the power and “we the people” have none?

    You persuade the people that the menace they face (imaginary or not) is so sinister, so overwhelming, so fearsome that the only way to surmount the danger is by empowering the government to take all necessary steps to quash it, even if that means allowing government jackboots to trample all over the Constitution.

    This is how you use the politics of fear to persuade a freedom-loving people to shackle themselves to a dictatorship.

    It works the same way every time.

    The government’s overblown, extended wars on terrorism, drugs, violence and illegal immigration have been convenient ruses used to terrorized the populace into relinquishing more of their freedoms in exchange for elusive promises of security.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    Case in point: on June 17, the same day President Trump announced that the government would be making mass arrests in order to round up and forcibly remove millions of illegal immigrants—including families and children—from the country, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down a ruling in Gamble v. United States that placed the sovereignty (i.e., the supreme power or authority) of federal and state governments over that of the citizenry, specifically as it relates to the government’s ability to disregard the Constitution’s Double Jeopardy Clause.

    At first glance, the two incidents—one relating to illegal immigration and the other to the government’s prosecutorial powers—don’t have much to do with each other, and yet there is a common thread that binds them together.

    That common thread speaks to the nature of the government beast we have been saddled with and how it views the rights and sovereignty of “we the people.”

    Now you don’t hear a lot about sovereignty anymore.

    Sovereignty is a dusty, antiquated term that harkens back to an age when kings and emperors ruled with absolute power over a populace that had no rights. Americans turned the idea of sovereignty on its head when they declared their independence from Great Britain and rejected the absolute authority of King George III. In doing so, Americans claimed for themselves the right to self-government and established themselves as the ultimate authority and power.

    In other words, in America, “we the people”— sovereign citizens—call the shots.

    So when the government acts, it is supposed to do so at our bidding and on our behalf, because we are the rulers.

    That’s not exactly how it turned out, though, is it?

    In the 200-plus years since we boldly embarked on this experiment in self-government, we have been steadily losing ground to the government’s brazen power grabs, foisted upon us in the so-called name of national security.

    The government has knocked us off our rightful throne. It has usurped our rightful authority. It has staged the ultimate coup. Its agents no longer even pretend that they answer to “we the people.”

    So you see, the two incidents on June 17 were not hugely significant in and of themselves.

    Trump’s plan to carry out mass arrests of anyone the government suspects might be an illegal immigrant, and the Supreme Court’s recognition that the government can sidestep the Constitution for the sake of expediency are merely more of the same abuses that have been heaped upon us in recent years.

    Yet these incidents speak volumes about how far our republic has fallen and how desensitized “we the people” have become to this constant undermining of our freedoms.

    How do we reconcile the Founders’ vision of our government as an entity whose only purpose is to serve the people with the police state’s insistence that the government is the supreme authority, that its power trumps that of the people themselves, and that it may exercise that power in any way it sees fit (that includes government agents crashing through doors, mass arrests, ethnic cleansing, racial profiling, indefinite detentions without due process, and internment camps)?

    They cannot be reconciled. They are polar opposites.

    We are fast approaching a moment of reckoning where we will be forced to choose between the vision of what America was intended to be (a model for self-governance where power is vested in the people) and the reality of what she has become (a police state where power is vested in the government).

    This slide into totalitarianism—helped along by overcriminalization, government surveillance, militarized police, neighbors turning in neighbors, privatized prisons, and forced labor camps, to name just a few similarities—is tracking very closely with what happened in Germany in the years leading up to Hitler’s rise to power.

    We are walking a dangerous path right now.

    The horrors of the Nazi concentration camps weren’t kept secret from the German people. They were well-publicized. As The Guardian reports:

    The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust... They knew concentration camps were full of Jewish people who were stigmatised as sub-human and race-defilers. They knew that these, like other groups and minorities, were being killed out of hand. They knew that Adolf Hitler had repeatedly forecast the extermination of every Jew on German soil. They knew these details because they had read about them. They knew because the camps and the measures which led up to them had been prominently and proudly reported step by step in thousands of officially-inspired German media articles and posters… The reports, in newspapers and magazines all over the country were phases in a public process of "desensitisation" which worked all too well, culminating in the killing of 6m Jews….

    Likewise, the mass of ordinary Americans are fully aware of the Trump Administration’s efforts to stigmatize and dehumanize any and all who do not fit with the government’s plans for this country.

    These mass arrests of anyone suspected of being an illegal immigrant may well be the shot across the bow.

    You see, it’s a short hop, skip and a jump from allowing government agents to lock large swaths of the population up in detention centers unless or until they can prove that they are not only legally in the country to empowering government agents to subject anyone—citizen and noncitizen alike—to similar treatment unless or until they can prove that they are in compliance with every statute and regulation on the books, and not guilty of having committed some crime or other.


    It’s no longer a matter of if, but when.

    You may be innocent of wrongdoing now, but when the standard for innocence is set by the government, no one is safe. Everyone is a suspect, and anyone can be a criminal when it’s the government determining what is a crime.

    Remember, the police state does not discriminate.

    At some point, once the government has been given the power to do whatever it wants—the Constitution be damned—it will not matter whether you’re an illegal immigrant or a citizen by birth, a law-breaker or someone who marches in lockstep with the government’s dictates. Government jails will detain you just as easily whether you’ve obeyed every law or broken a dozen. And government agents will treat you like a suspect, whether or not you’ve done anything wrong, simply because they have been trained to view and treat everyone like potential criminals.

    Eventually, all that will matter is whether some government agent—poorly trained, utterly ignorant of the Constitution, way too hyped up on the power of their badges, and authorized to detain, search, interrogate, threaten and generally harass anyone they see fit—chooses to single you out for special treatment.

    We’ve been having this same debate about the perils of government overreach for the past 50-plus years, and still we don’t seem to learn, or if we learn, we learn too late.

    All of the excessive, abusive tactics employed by the government today—warrantless surveillance, stop and frisk searches, SWAT team raids, roadside strip searches, asset forfeiture schemes, private prisons, indefinite detention, militarized police, etc.—started out as a seemingly well-meaning plan to address some problem in society that needed a little extra help.

    Be careful what you wish for: you will get more than you bargained for, especially when the government’s involved.

    Remember, nothing is ever as simple as the government claims it is.

    The war on drugs turned out to be a war on the American people, waged with SWAT teams and militarized police.

    The war on terror turned out to be a war on the American people, waged with warrantless surveillance and indefinite detention.

    The war on immigration is turning out to be yet another war on the American people, waged with roving government agents demanding “papers, please.”


    Whatever dangerous practices you allow the government to carry out now—whether it’s in the name of national security or protecting America’s borders or making America great again—rest assured, these same practices can and will be used against you when the government decides to set its sights on you.

    If you’re inclined to advance this double standard because you believe you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, beware: there’s always a boomerang effect.

    As commentator Shaun Kenney observed:

    What civil liberties are you willing to surrender in the apprehension of 12 million people? Knock and drags? Detention centers? Checkpoints? House-to-house searches? Papers, please? Will we be racially profiling folks to look for or are we talking about people of Chinese... Indian... Irish... Polish... Italian... people-who-might-look-like-you descent as well? If the federal government makes a 1% rounding error and accidentally deports an American citizen, that's 120,000 Americans... what means will be used to restore their rights? Who will remunerate them for their financial loss? Restore their lost homes? Personal property? Families? ... What happens when these means are turned against some other group of undesirables in America by a president who does not share your political persuasion, but can now justify the act based on previous justifications?

    We are all at risk.

    The law of reciprocity applies here. The flip side of that Golden Rule, which calls for us to treat others as we would have them treat us, is that we shouldn’t inflict on others what we wouldn’t want to suffer ourselves.

    In other words, if you don’t want to be locked up in a prison cell or a detention camp—if you don’t want to be discriminated against because of the color of your race, religion, politics or anything else that sets you apart from the rest—if you don’t want your loved ones shot at, strip searched, tasered, beaten and treated like slaves—if you don’t want to have to be constantly on guard against government eyes watching what you do, where you go and what you say—if you don’t want to be tortured, waterboarded or forced to perform degrading acts—if you don’t want your children to be forcibly separated from you, caged and lost—then don’t allow these evils to be inflicted on anyone else, no matter how compelling a case the government makes for it or how fervently you believe in the cause.

    You can’t have it both ways.

    You can’t live in a constitutional republic if you allow the government to act like a police state.

    You can’t claim to value freedom if you allow the government to operate like a dictatorship.

    You can’t expect to have your rights respected if you allow the government to treat whomever it pleases with disrespect and an utter disregard for the rule of law.

    Indeed, when the government is allowed to operate as a law unto itself, the rule of law itself becomes illegitimate. As Martin Luther King Jr. pointed out in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, “everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was ‘legal’ and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was ‘illegal.’ It was ‘illegal’ to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler’s Germany.”

    In other words, there comes a time when law and order are in direct opposition to justice.

    Isn’t that what the American Revolution was all about?

    Finally, if anyone suggests that the government’s mass immigration roundups and arrests are just the government doing its job to fight illegal immigration, don’t buy it.

    This is not about illegal immigration. It’s about power and control.

    It’s about testing the waters to see how far the American people will allow the government to go in re-shaping the country in the image of a totalitarian police state.

    It’s about the rise of an “emergency state” that justifies all manner of government misconduct and power grabs in the so-called name of national security.

    It’s about how much tyranny “we the people” will tolerate before we find our conscience and our voice.

    It’s about how far we will allow the government to go in its efforts to distract and divide us and turn us into a fearful, easily controlled populace.

    Ultimately, it’s about whether we believe—as the Founders did—that our freedoms are inherently ours and that the government is only as powerful as we allow it to be. Freedom does not flow from the government. It was not given to us, to be taken away at the will of the State. In the same way, the government’s appointed purpose is not to threaten or undermine our freedoms, but to safeguard them.

    We must get back to this way of thinking if we are to ever stand our ground in the face of threats to those freedoms.

    As I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, it’s time to draw that line in the sand.

    The treatment being meted out to anyone that looks like an illegal immigrant is only the beginning. Eventually we will all be in the government’s crosshairs for one reason or another.

    This is the start of the slippery slope.

    Martin Niemöller understood this. A Lutheran minister who was imprisoned and executed for opposing Hitler's regime, Niemoller warned:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Trump’s plan to carry out mass arrests of anyone the government suspects might be an illegal immigrant
    That's not what's happening. Trash article using lies to inspire fear, ironic.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    What a clickbait title. The only thing that can stop mass arrests of law abiding citizens is the second amendment. If you feel like the government arresting people who break the law is tyranny that is because you have been systematically conditioned to believe that the government should be allowed to get away with not doing their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Great article, well worth the read!

    https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...litics_of_fear
    .
    Beat me to it- John Whitehead is incredible.
    There is no spoon.

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    What I would suggest to you all is not to take Trump’s statements at face value. His MO is to speak in extremes so he can bargain down to what he wants. Take it all with a grain of salt.
    #NashvilleStrong

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    I am tired of Chicken Little “the-sky-is-falling” mentality. Whatever happened to courage?
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I am tired of Chicken Little “the-sky-is-falling” mentality. Whatever happened to courage?
    Exactly. First it was the war on drugs. Then the war on terror. Now the war on immigrants. Each one of these wars on us is only fear mongering propaganda designed to get people to accept growth of the big government police state.

    Funny how the propagandists here aren't blowing the thread up to 10 pages of calling Whitehead a communist for speaking the truth, lol. Contrary to what the propagandists would have everyone believe, opposing the growth of the big government police state =/= being in favor of an open borders policy or a leftist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Exactly. First it was the war on drugs. Then the war on terror. Now the war on immigrants. Each one of these wars on us is only fear mongering propaganda designed to get people to accept growth of the big government police state.

    Funny how the propagandists here aren't blowing the thread up to 10 pages of calling Whitehead a communist for speaking the truth, lol. Contrary to what the propagandists would have everyone believe, opposing the growth of the big government police state =/= being in favor of an open borders policy or a leftist.
    Exactly.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Exactly. First it was the war on drugs. Then the war on terror. Now the war on immigrants. Each one of these wars on us is only fear mongering propaganda designed to get people to accept growth of the big government police state.

    Funny how the propagandists here aren't blowing the thread up to 10 pages of calling Whitehead a communist for speaking the truth, lol. Contrary to what the propagandists would have everyone believe, opposing the growth of the big government police state =/= being in favor of an open borders policy or a leftist.
    The first two of course are useless and fake respectively, the third ; Illegal Aliens is a fkg great war
    , one we should all support an escalate.

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    Great article, well worth the read!
    John Whitehead belts it out of park every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    That's not what's happening. Trash article using lies to inspire fear, ironic.
    ^^^THIS^^^
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    So far the opinions on the article seem to be divided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    ^^^THIS^^^
    The same nonsense as it was during 2016. It seems America Media has no problem with endless migration or open borders. I will tell you this. Canada already has enough of migrants and migrants already are causing some issues with the welfare system. Everything in Canada has become expensive.

    Even new settled migrants are having difficulty finding jobs, the only ones who find jobs are "government approved"
    Last edited by AngryCanadian; 06-22-2019 at 06:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Beat me to it- John Whitehead is incredible.
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Exactly. First it was the war on drugs. Then the war on terror. Now the war on immigrants. Each one of these wars on us is only fear mongering propaganda designed to get people to accept growth of the big government police state.

    Funny how the propagandists here aren't blowing the thread up to 10 pages of calling Whitehead a communist for speaking the truth, lol. Contrary to what the propagandists would have everyone believe, opposing the growth of the big government police state =/= being in favor of an open borders policy or a leftist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Exactly.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    John Whitehead belts it out of park every time.

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    count the number of lies in the article, or do you think its 100% factual?
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    count the number of lies in the article, or do you think its 100% factual?
    John Whitehead is not a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    count the number of lies in the article, or do you think its 100% factual?
    Please detail for us what the lies in the article are.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Please detail for us what the lies in the article are.
    The Jackboots Are Coming
    Significant lie...or perhaps lie is too strong a word...significant misstatement.

    The jackboots are already here.

    The surveillance state, much worse than the old East Germany, is already here.

    Importing millions of semi-idiot, sub 80 IQ migrants from places in the world where the jackboots, and corruption and police abuse are on a scale many times worse than what we are suffering under now and which they are comfortable to acclimated with, and then giving them a voice in the ways things will be run, will NOT improve the situation.

    Exhibit A: California.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Significant lie...or perhaps lie is too strong a word...significant misstatement.

    The jackboots are already here.
    Very true. I flew this past weekend and experienced a new level of fresh TSA hell in the form of some TSA jerk barking orders at everyone, forcing us to walk through security in pairs, shoulder to shoulder, while a dog sniffed our asses. As bad as that was, I noted that the dog handler was wearing no form of ID whatsoever that indicated he was LEO or anything else. All black outfit top to bottom. One positive I took away from it, even though we cooperated at that time, was that the people around me were not happy with what transpired and instead of being silent, random travelers were commenting to each other about how they wondered if they weren't being trained, instead of the dog and how unnecessary this all is.

    The surveillance state, much worse than the old East Germany, is already here.
    Yes and as I observed, it is getting worse.

    Importing millions of semi-idiot, sub 80 IQ migrants from places in the world where the jackboots, and corruption and police abuse are on a scale many times worse than what we are suffering under now and which they are comfortable to acclimated with, and then giving them a voice in the ways things will be run, will NOT improve the situation.

    Exhibit A: California.
    If we don't try to reach out to those people with a new perspective on what the promised "freedom in America" means then yes, you are correct, that will not help the situation at all.

    As for the rest of the article, he's spot on. I've mentioned numerous times how we're smack in the middle of the Operation Garden Plot/REX84 plan right now. The FEMA camps are already here and being talked about openly by politicians and media. The only difference so far is that they're always mentioned in relation to immigrants (the cover story for the green-lighting of REX84) instead of the rest of what REX84 has in store.
    Last edited by devil21; 06-24-2019 at 10:39 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If we don't try to reach out to those people with a new perspective on what the promised "freedom in America" means then yes, you are correct, that will not help the situation at all.
    Considering how we can't even get the native population to embrace liberty, wouldn't it just be much more effective to tell the migrants to stay put, country is full, we have our own issues to sort out before we allow millions of you access?
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Considering how we can't even get the native population to embrace liberty, wouldn't it just be much more effective to tell the migrants to stay put, country is full, we have our own issues to sort out before we allow millions of you access?
    Perhaps Americans are more brainwashed than immigrant counterparts? It seems to me that is the case since Americans spend an inordinate amount of time reading and watching mind-control media outlets compared to others. Immigrants may be more accustomed to more overt police states (or maybe not, it's arguable) but they are not accustomed to the massive mind-control operations that Americans are, and therefore are not in as deep as Americans are either.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Perhaps Americans are more brainwashed than immigrant counterparts? It seems to me that is the case since Americans spend an inordinate amount of time reading and watching mind-control media outlets compared to others. They may be more accustomed to more overt police states (or maybe not, it's arguable) but they are not accustomed to the massive mind-control operations that Americans are, either.
    That's wrong and the immigrant's voting habits prove it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's wrong and the immigrant's voting habits prove it.
    As opposed to the voting habits of Americans? lol ok
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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  29. #25
    Hasn't this already been going on for a long time already?
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    As opposed to the voting habits of Americans? lol ok
    Yes, the immigrants vote much worse by wide margins.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, the immigrants vote much worse by wide margins.
    First, illegals can't vote. If talking about various legally present immigrants, we're back to the circular argument that you and I have undertaken many times already. One party courts their votes. The other party calls them names. Guess who they'll vote for? Maybe trying something different instead of calling them rapists and invaders is a good idea? The libertarian conservative message of individualism and hard work, family values and religious observation is much more in line with an immigrant's mindset than "free stuff" is.

    Yeah yeah now tell me again about how Reagan's "big tent" outreach to hispanics 35 years ago failed, while also ignoring that the big tent approach actually gave Reagan one of the biggest landslide wins in presidential history.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    First, illegals can't vote.
    They do, they use stolen Identities just like they use to get work.


    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If talking about various legally present immigrants, we're back to the circular argument that you and I have undertaken many times already. One party courts their votes. The other party calls them names. Guess who they'll vote for? Maybe trying something different instead of calling them rapists and invaders is a good idea? The libertarian conservative message of individualism and hard work, family values and religious observation is much more in line with an immigrant's mindset than "free stuff" is.
    That's nonsense, the immigrants voted for free stuff before anyone turned against them, that's why people turned against them and they come here for wealth both the kind they work for and the kind they vote for.

    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Yeah yeah now tell me again about how Reagan's "big tent" outreach to hispanics 35 years ago failed, while also ignoring that the big tent approach actually gave Reagan one of the biggest landslide wins in presidential history.
    Did it result in smaller government?

    His amnesty resulted in the loss of California and a massive increase in the invasion.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  33. #29
    What civil liberties are you willing to surrender in the apprehension of 12 million people? Knock and drags? Detention centers? Checkpoints? House-to-house searches? Papers, please? Will we be racially profiling folks to look for or are we talking about people of Chinese... Indian... Irish... Polish... Italian... people-who-might-look-like-you descent as well? If the federal government makes a 1% rounding error and accidentally deports an American citizen, that's 120,000 Americans...
    The people being deported would be mostly Mexicans, Asians, and Muslims.

    Maybe like 2 white people would be deported, and they would be people like Günther who we would not miss .
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  34. #30
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

    Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.


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    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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