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    UK Election Results: Exit polls 'catastrophic' for Tories, Foreign Policy failures weigh in

    Live Results:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0WL8cjrpC8


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    Big Story 12 | Thu Jun 8, 2017 | 5:20pm EDT

    Former UK finance minister Osborne says exit poll 'catastrophic' if true

    A man carries a ballot box as ballots are counted at a counting centre for Britain’s general election in London, June 8, 2017. REUTERS/Darren Staples

    Former British finance minister George Osborne said the exit poll forecasting that Prime Minister Theresa May will lose her majority in parliament would be "completely catastrophic" for her and the Conservative Party.
    "It is early days. It's a poll. If the poll is anything like accurate this is completely catastrophic for the Conservatives and for Theresa May," Osborne told ITV News.
    "It's difficult to see if these numbers were right how they would put together the coalition to remain in office. But equally it's quite difficult looking at those numbers to see how Labour could put together a coalition so it's on a real knife edge.
    The exit poll has predicted that May will win 314 seats, below the 326 needed to secure a majorit

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...-idUSKBN18Z2VC




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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

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    How does one lose an election against Jeremy Corbyn?
    Stop believing stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    How does one lose an election against Jeremy Corbyn?
    By acting just like him.


    A Very Unlibertarian British Parliamentary Election

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/08/a-...sh-parliamenta

    Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn represent two illiberal choices.

    Ed Krayewski|Jun. 8, 2017 4:10 pm

    WILL OLIVER/EPA/NewscomWILL OLIVER/EPA/NewscomToday in the U.K., voters will choose whether they want to be governed by Theresa May's Conservative Party or Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party. In other words, they'll face the most unlibertarian options the modern British electorate has ever had.

    "The 2017 Conservative manifesto is the most illiberal and anti-market manifesto any major party has produced in 30 years, with the exception of the 2017 Labour manifesto," says Sam Bowman, executive director of the London-based Adam Smith Institute. Corbyn, Bowman complains, "is an unreconstructed Marxist, and I do not use the term lightly, who despises markets and capitalism." May, meanwhile, "has explicitly attacked libertarians within her own party"; she represents "the old Tory tradition of patrician paternalism that distrusts markets for being chaotic and socially disruptive."

    Since April, May has seen her party's lead over Labour shrink from 20 percent to about 7. Tom Clougherty, British-born managing editor of the Cato Journal, blames that decline on its decision to make the election about issues of leadership rather than policy or ideology. Corbyn came off as more authentic than the "flip-flopping" May, Clougherty observes.

    That said, May has recovered some of that lead by shifting focus to economic issues. The Conservatives, Clougherty notes, are now highlighting "some of the Labour Party's plans for renationalization, for massive tax increase, for spending money on basically anything that any left-wing pressure group could possibly wish for regardless of the still large deficit that Britain has."

    Whichever party wins today, the prospects are irredeemably grim for civil liberties. After last weekend's London Bridge terrorist attack—the third Islamist assault in the country in as many months—May said the government should have the authority to censor and control speech on the internet. She has also suggested that human rights laws are obstructing the campaign against terror.

    Clougherty thinks the United Kingdom doesn't have a culture of strong respect for civil liberties to begin with. "Britons are much more willing to put a lot more faith in their security and intelligence services than your average Americans." he says. "Aside from a relatively small group of committed civil libertarians, there's not a big political constituency for civil libertarian talk, whether it's on basic counterterror stuff or whether it's about surveillance or online free speech." He adds that May doesn't have a "libertarian bone in her body" on civil liberties and that the recent terror attacks strengthened her preexisting authoritarian views.

    There are some civil libertarians in May's party. David Davis, who serves as secretary of state for exiting the European Union, took Theresa May to court in December and secured a ruling that the government could not mandate "general and indiscriminate" retention of email data by internet companies. But the "Conservative manifesto is dreadful on civil liberties, particularly on digital surveillance and internet regulation," Bowman says. "Banning messaging apps that use end-to-end encryption to protect users (such as WhatsApp) has been suggested by both the PM and the current home secretary, even though it would achieve very little." There is also "a big push to force the big tech firms to censor jihadi videos" and other extremist content.

    The prospects for liberal immigration policy are also dim. The widespread assumption in the United Kingdom, Bowman says, is that all kinds of immigration—low-skilled, high-skilled, student—are bad for the country and that the parties "need to show that they're 'tough' on it." Both parties have ruled out preserving freedom of movement in the Brexit negotiations, "which in practice means we can't stay in the Single Market."

    The Conservative Party has taken the hardest line on immigration, seeking to reduce net migration from about 250,000 a year to just 100,000. But Corbyn, too, is an immigration skeptic. In a debate last week, Corbyn warned that low-skilled workers are being brought in from places like Eastern Europe to "undermine working conditions" in Britain.

    Trade may offer the election's one saving grace. "Free trade is more popular and forms more of a political consensus in Britain by a long, long way than it does in the United States, and Britain is a free trading nation," Clougherty explains. "I think Theresa May has explicitly said that she wants Britain in its post-Brexit geopolitical role to be a leader, or maybe the leader, for free trade and liberalization."

    Support for Brexit has increased since the 2016 vote, largely because the economic catastrophe promised by Brexit's opponents did not materialize. But Brexit has not been a major issue in the campaign. One reason for the lack of urgency is that Brexit negotiations will likely not begin in earnest until September, after Germans go to the polls. (German Chancellor Angela Merkel is seeking re-election.)

    "The Tories' strongest issue is Brexit, where Labour is internally divided but the Conservatives are not," Bowman says. "The Tories have fairly successfully cast themselves as the party of Brexit, though they've framed the issue as a question of who is the best negotiator rather than offering the best Brexit plan." The Conservative Party has been tight-lipped about precisely what kind of Brexit plan they want.

    Beyond Brexit, Clougherty predicts that Britain "will try to simply replicate the deals that it has through the EU with third countries as an independent nation. For example, it might just say to Canada, let's just photocopy the trade deal you just signed with the EU and say that it applies between the independent UK and Canada as well." A trade deal with Canada—or Australia, or New Zealand— could be freer than a deal with the EU, Clougherty notes, because of the climate toward free trade in those countries.

    Bowman is more skeptical. "The prospects for free trade are ambiguous," he argues. "The new Department for International Trade has some very talented staff, and there is certainly an appetite in the government to 'make the most of Brexit' by striking free trade deals quickly, but the U.S. is the only country with whom a deal is both feasible and large enough to affect our economy much." He adds that while Australia and New Zealand "seem keen to strike a deal," they "are on the other side of the world and not very large; China and India are enormous but striking a deal with them seems very difficult.

    "The deal with the EU of course must count as a 'free trade deal,'" Bowman says, "but since most people believe that ending freedom of movement should be a red line any deal we get will be much less free than what we have at the moment."

    One nonfactor in the election has been the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), the right-wing Euroskeptics who made leaving the EU a top priority.

    "Their raison d'etre has been taken away from them," Clougherty says. With Nigel Farage, their long-time leader, off the political stage—plus organizational problems, financial problems, and some scandals embroiling their leadership—UKIP is in a downward spiral.

    "I think chances are, we will see UKIP effectively cease to exist," Clougherty says. "Though it's always dangerous to make those kinds of predictions."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    How does one lose an election against Jeremy Corbyn?
    That, and of course the fact that freedom is unpopular.

    The people want more rules, more global government, more surveillance, more tyranny.

    They love it, can't get enough of it and fall all over themselves to pay for it out of their own pockets.

    I'm pretty well convinced Brexit and Trump were just anomalies, now that the bulk of the masses of asses are mobilized and angry, look for a blowout here in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    How does one lose an election against Jeremy Corbyn?
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    By acting just like him.


    A Very Unlibertarian British Parliamentary Election

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/08/a-...sh-parliamenta

    Periodically both parties have been doing role reversals but Corbyn was shrewd enough to get the right message out when public was paying attention.

    Corbyn links Manchester attack to foreign wars

    By Associated Press
    May 26, 2017

    LONDON — Four days after a suicide bombing plunged Britain into mourning, political campaigning resumed Friday for next month’s general election with the main opposition leader linking deadly terrorism at home to foreign wars like the one in Libya.
    Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn risked being assailed for politicizing the attack on Manchester Arena that killed 22 people by claiming in his first post-atrocity speech that his party would change Britain’s foreign policy if it takes power after the June 8 vote by abandoning the “war on terror.”

    “Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries, such as Libya, and terrorism here at home,” he said as national campaigning resumed after a hiatus to honor the victims in the arena blast.

    Salman Abedi, the bomber who struck the Ariana Grande concert on Monday night, had strong links to Libya. His parents had been born there before moving to Britain and he traveled there on occasion.

    While Corbyn may face criticism for his comments, he is trying to win back the many Labour supporters who turned away from the party in the aftermath of then Prime Minister Tony Blair’s decision to back President George W. Bush in the 2003 Iraq war. More than 1 million protesters marched on Britain’s Parliament to condemn Blair’s move, which proved hugely controversial, in part because the case for war was built around the idea that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
    When none were found, Blair faced widespread criticism and his popularity, which saw him lead the Labour Party to three straight election victories, eroded. There was then also heated criticism in some quarters that the July 7, 2005 public transport bombings in London came as a result of Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war.

    The Labour Party under Corbyn has trailed Prime Minister Theresa May’s Conservatives in the polls, but has begun to make gains in the last week.

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/26/corbyn-...-foreign-wars/

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Periodically both parties have been doing role reversals but Corbyn was shrewd enough to get the right message out when public was paying attention.
    Funny how the results mimic the US WRT to rural and urban voters.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2017/results



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    Hung parliament

    326 seats needed to win



















    Party CON Conservative LAB Labour SNP Scottish National Party LD Liberal Democrat DUP Democratic Unionist Party OTH Others
    Seats 313 260 35 12 10 13
    Change −12 +29 −21 +4 +2 −2
    Change −12 +29 −21 +4 +2 −2

    UK Results Prediction After 643 of 650 seats called







    Hung Parliament even if Conservatives get the last 7 seats
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    FARAGE: IF BREXIT IS IN TROUBLE, I'D HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CHOICE BUT TO RETURN TO POLITICS

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/375567...ndum-majority/


    UKIP 2015
    3,800,000 votes

    UKIP 2017
    570,000 votes

    ==============

    Hard Brexit's off the table.
    Soft Brexit IF Tories can form a government.
    Labour made historic gains.
    Every third party in Britain has collapsed.


    For Brexit the results are not good
    Farage may be back. (if UKIP survives!)



    BBC officially announcing hung parliament.

    Theresa May faces calls to resign as hung parliament confirmed
    May likely to step down.


    Theresa May to speak at 10am as she faces calls to resign as Prime Minister

    Theresa May insists she won’t resign as Britain wakes to a hung Parliament

    The UK may not have a government by 19 June when Brexit talks are scheduled to begin


    Think about it...
    BREXIT NOW THROWN UNDER THE BUS by THE CABAL AFTER THERESA MAY LOSES MAJORITY IN SNAP ELECTIONS SHE CALLED HERSELF.
    sad.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 06-09-2017 at 12:52 AM.

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    UK results

    after 648 of 650 seats
    SORT BY:

    Party Seats Net change in seats +/- Votes Vote Share Net percentage change in seats +/- %
    Party Conservative 317 Net change in seats -12 Votes 13,625,065 Vote Share 42.4 Net change in seats +5.5
    Party Labour 261 Net change in seats +29 Votes 12,852,501 Vote Share 40.0 Net change in seats +9.5
    Party Scottish National Party 35 Net change in seats -21 Votes 977,569 Vote Share 3.0 Net change in seats -1.7
    Party Liberal Democrat 12 Net change in seats +4 Votes 2,349,413 Vote Share 7.3 Net change in seats -0.5
    Party Democratic Unionist Party 10 Net change in seats +2 Votes 292,316 Vote Share 0.9 Net change in seats +0.3
    Party Sinn Fein 7 Net change in seats +3 Votes 238,915 Vote Share 0.7 Net change in seats +0.2
    Party Plaid Cymru 4 Net change in seats +1 Votes 164,466 Vote Share 0.5 Net change in seats -0.1
    Party Green Party 1 Net change in seats 0 Votes 524,604 Vote Share 1.6 Net change in seats -2.1
    Party UKIP 0 Net change in seats -1 Votes 593,852 Vote Share 1.8 Net change in seats -10.8
    Party Social Democratic & Labour Party 0 Net change in seats -3 Votes 95,419 Vote Share 0.3 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party Ulster Unionist Party 0 Net change in seats -2 Votes 83,280 Vote Share 0.3 Net change in seats -0.1
    Party Alliance Party 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 64,553 Vote Share 0.2 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party The Yorkshire Party 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 20,958 Vote Share 0.1 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party National Health Action 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 16,119 Vote Share 0.1 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party Christian Peoples Alliance 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 5,684 Vote Share 0.0 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party British National Party 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 4,642 Vote Share 0.0 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party Monster Raving Loony Party 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 3,890 Vote Share 0.0 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party Women's Equality Party 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 3,580 Vote Share 0.0 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party Pirate Party 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 2,321 Vote Share 0.0 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party English Democrats 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 1,913 Vote Share 0.0 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party Workers Revolutionary Party 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 771 Vote Share 0.0 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party Social Democratic Party 0 Net change in seats 0 Votes 469 Vote Share 0.0 Net change in seats 0.0
    Party Others 1 Net change in seats 0 Votes 185,997 Vote Share 0.6 Net change in seats +0.3
    http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2017/results


    With DUP help the Conservatives should be able to make a majority coalition.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    MY 2017 MANIFESTO: Strong, not entirely stable, leadership

    1. The abolition of the Lords (except me).

    2. Full facial coverings to be kept legal, especially bucket-related headgear.

    3. No third runway to be built at Heathrow: where we’re going we don’t need runways.

    4. Ceefax to be brought back immediately, with The Oracle and other Teletext services to be rolled out by the next Parliament.

    5. Regeneration of Nicholson’s Shopping Centre, Maidenhead.

    6. Buckethead on Brexit: a referendum should be held about whether there should be a second referendum.

    7. Nuclear weapons: A firm public commitment to build the £100bn renewal of the Trident weapons system, followed by an equally firm private commitment not to build it. They’re secret submarines, no one will ever know. It’s a win win.

    8. Nationalisation of Adele: in order to maximise the efficient use of UK resources, the time is right for great British assets to be brought into public ownership for the common good. This is to be achieved through capital spending.

    9. A moratorium until 2022 on whether Birmingham should be converted into a star base.

    10. Legalisation of the hunting of fox-hunters.

    11. New voting age limit of 16 to be introduced. New voting age limit of 80 to be introduced too.

    12. Katie Hopkins to be banished to the Phantom Zone.

    13. Stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia. Start buying lasers from Lord Buckethead.

    14. Prospective MPs to live in the seat they wish to represent for at least five years before election, to improve local representation in Parliament.

    15. Free bikes for everyone, to help combat obesity, traffic congestion and bike theft.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Nigel Farage to decide in the next seven days if he will lead Ukip for the fourth time after electoral wipeout




    Nigel Farage to decide in the next seven days if he will lead Ukip for the fourth time after electoral wipeout

    Nigel Farage will decide within the next seven days whether he is going to stand for the fourth time
    to be leader of the UK Independence Party following a collapse in his party's support at the polls.

    Mr Farage said he was going “to have a think about it”
    since his successor Paul Nuttall resigned as Ukip leader
    after his party's woeful showing at the General Election.

    The Eurosceptic party’s future was left in doubt after Ukip failed to gain a single seat
    and the party’s vote share collapsed to less than two per cent from 12.6 per cent in 2015.

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    I read he won't unless they change the party rules to give him more power, but he has said he will return to UK politics to save Brexit.
    A new party maybe?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    I've written like 5 responses and deleted them all.
    My final answer: He should just drink beer.



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    Ordinarily, politics and economics influence each other with economics
    being more of a driver on politics
    than politics is on economics.

    However, there are times when politics becomes the most important driver.
    History has shown us that these times
    are when there is great economic, social, and political polarity within a country
    and there is selection of populist leaders to fight for “the common man" in a battle against “the elites."

    Those conditions typically lead to a strong-minded, confrontational fighter being brought to power
    to represent the underserved constituency,
    typically by pursuing more nationalistic, protectionist, and militaristic policies.

    These conditions exist now.

    The 1930s were the last time this happened in the developed world and globally.
    Ray Dalio Warns We May Be On A Path To "Dictatorships And Wars"
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ships-and-wars

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    Ray Dalio Warns We May Be On A Path To "Dictatorships And Wars"
    Sounds about right

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    Corbyn seems to partially using Trump tactics.




    • Jeremy Corbyn‏Verified account @jeremycorbyn Jun 8


      .@Theresa_May, you cannot protect communities on the cheap and by disregarding the views of the police. They've been warning you since 2011.

      Vote Labour before 10pm and we'll give the police and our emergency services the funding they need.

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    Excuse me for being absolutely dumb as foulk about what the English election was all about. I'd really like a quick overview of what did or did not happen there. One goon party lost and one goon party won. That's about all I know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Excuse me for being absolutely dumb as foulk about what the English election was all about. I'd really like a quick overview of what did or did not happen there. One goon party lost and one goon party won. That's about all I know...
    It would be similar to the GOP losing 30 or 40 seats and the Green Party picking up 10-20, so no party has a majority. Also the only party that some folks on RPF find common ground with is essentially nonexistent, but that happened before this election.
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    It would be similar to the GOP losing 30 or 40 seats and the Green Party picking up 10-20, so no party has a majority. Also the only party that some folks on RPF find common ground with is essentially nonexistent, but that happened before this election.
    Thanks for the update... they still have a Queen though, right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Thanks for the update... they still have a Queen though, right??
    Yes, but the Queen allows the commoners to form their own govt, mostly for entertainment purposes.

    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    Yes, but the Queen allows the commoners to form their own govt, mostly for entertainment purposes.

    Wouldn't it be nice for us to have such a Queen?? How we must envy the English... Damn founders anyway!
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    The DUP issued a statement saying the talks had been positive, but stopped short of confirming a deal had been sealed.

    https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...-ireland-party

    Do they want May gone first?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Excuse me for being absolutely dumb as foulk about what the English election was all about. I'd really like a quick overview of what did or did not happen there. One goon party lost and one goon party won. That's about all I know...
    Short version:
    It was routine election until few weeks ago, ruling party was projected to win record seats (sort of like predictions in US media about "landslide Hillary win"). But things started to change drasticallyfew weeks before elections after Labor candidate Corbyn started linking Ariana Grande concert attack to foreign wars. Election result was "catastrophic" for Ruling party and UK politics thrown into chaos.



    Long version:

    Corbyn links Manchester attack to foreign wars

    By Associated Press
    May 26, 2017

    LONDON — Four days after a suicide bombing plunged Britain into mourning, political campaigning resumed Friday for next month’s general election with the main opposition leader linking deadly terrorism at home to foreign wars like the one in Libya.
    Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn risked being assailed for politicizing the attack on Manchester Arena that killed 22 people by claiming in his first post-atrocity speech that his party would change Britain’s foreign policy if it takes power after the June 8 vote by abandoning the “war on terror.”

    “Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries, such as Libya, and terrorism here at home,” he said as national campaigning resumed after a hiatus to honor the victims in the arena blast.

    Salman Abedi, the bomber who struck the Ariana Grande concert on Monday night, had strong links to Libya. His parents had been born there before moving to Britain and he traveled there on occasion.

    While Corbyn may face criticism for his comments, he is trying to win back the many Labour supporters who turned away from the party in the aftermath of then Prime Minister Tony Blair’s decision to back President George W. Bush in the 2003 Iraq war. More than 1 million protesters marched on Britain’s Parliament to condemn Blair’s move, which proved hugely controversial, in part because the case for war was built around the idea that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
    When none were found, Blair faced widespread criticism and his popularity, which saw him lead the Labour Party to three straight election victories, eroded. There was then also heated criticism in some quarters that the July 7, 2005 public transport bombings in London came as a result of Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war.

    The Labour Party under Corbyn has trailed Prime Minister Theresa May’s Conservatives in the polls, but has begun to make gains in the last week.

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/26/corbyn-...-foreign-wars/

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    Two in three Conservative Party members say that May should announce her resignation

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thet...signation.html
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Short version:
    It was routine election until few weeks ago, ruling party was projected to win record seats (sort of like predictions in US media about "landslide Hillary win"). But things started to change drasticallyfew weeks before elections after Labor candidate Corbyn started linking Ariana Grande concert attack to foreign wars. Election result was "catastrophic" for Ruling party and UK politics thrown into chaos.



    Long version:

    Corbyn links Manchester attack to foreign wars

    By Associated Press
    May 26, 2017

    LONDON — Four days after a suicide bombing plunged Britain into mourning, political campaigning resumed Friday for next month’s general election with the main opposition leader linking deadly terrorism at home to foreign wars like the one in Libya.
    Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn risked being assailed for politicizing the attack on Manchester Arena that killed 22 people by claiming in his first post-atrocity speech that his party would change Britain’s foreign policy if it takes power after the June 8 vote by abandoning the “war on terror.”

    “Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries, such as Libya, and terrorism here at home,” he said as national campaigning resumed after a hiatus to honor the victims in the arena blast.

    Salman Abedi, the bomber who struck the Ariana Grande concert on Monday night, had strong links to Libya. His parents had been born there before moving to Britain and he traveled there on occasion.

    While Corbyn may face criticism for his comments, he is trying to win back the many Labour supporters who turned away from the party in the aftermath of then Prime Minister Tony Blair’s decision to back President George W. Bush in the 2003 Iraq war. More than 1 million protesters marched on Britain’s Parliament to condemn Blair’s move, which proved hugely controversial, in part because the case for war was built around the idea that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
    When none were found, Blair faced widespread criticism and his popularity, which saw him lead the Labour Party to three straight election victories, eroded. There was then also heated criticism in some quarters that the July 7, 2005 public transport bombings in London came as a result of Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war.

    The Labour Party under Corbyn has trailed Prime Minister Theresa May’s Conservatives in the polls, but has begun to make gains in the last week.

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/26/corbyn-...-foreign-wars/
    So now there's no "majority party", correct? What does this mean going forward? Peace or war or something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    So now there's no "majority party", correct? What does this mean going forward? Peace or war or something else?
    What does every election mean? Absolutely nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gold Standard View Post
    What does every election mean? Absolutely nothing.
    I think there are things that can be learned by the outcome of elections. For instance, after 2008 and even further after 2012 the way Ron Paul was treated made it clear that it was a rigged game and there would be no changes. Perhaps that's exactly what meaning can be had from the English election but I for one do not know enough about the English to try to make heads nor tails out of what it may mean...
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