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Yes, of course they were.
They were both progressive and racist.
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html
https://fee.org/articles/the-racist-...a-prohibition/
US leftism has been, since its inception and for the most part, been anti liberty, collectivist and racist.
“There can be no doubt that the negroes and mulattoes constitute a lower race—that the Caucasian and indeed even the Mongolian have the start on them in civilization by many thousand years—so that negroes will find it difficult ever to overtake them. The many cases of rape which occur whenever negroes are settled in large numbers prove, moreover, that the free contact with the whites has led to the further degeneration of the negroes, as well as all other inferior races.” - Victor Berger: first US socialist elected to congress.
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I suspect that you're using a dramatically different definition of progressive than the one AuH2O commonly uses. You define progressivism in a very specific manner related to ideology, whereas a collectivist defines it by group membership. He would not, for example, describe Trump as a a progressivist, and yet based on the two links you provided, you might consider him such.
For example:
Sounds very Trumpian, and yet I haven't heard anyone call Trump a progressive.Let’s get one thing clear: marijuana was not made illegal because it caused “insanity, criminality, and death” as was claimed by Harry J. Anslinger. It was made illegal in an attempt to control Mexican immigration into the United States and to help boost the profits of large pharmaceutical companies.
Likewise, I haven't heard anyone call Reagan a progressive, and yet:
Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...f-guns/308608/
And thus California's oppressive gun control began with a bill brought forth by and named after a Republican state rep and signed by a Republican governor.
I would say that generally applies to the entire spectrum of mainstream US political thought.
When I was a kid, the one thing to piss my dad off was to fight with my brothers. My dad had a way of grabbing two of us by the neck and knocking our heads together while saying, "You want to fight and hurt each other? Fine. Let me help."
That's kind of my instinct watching these cat fights.
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Umm, Ron Paul was certainly displeased with Reagan.
That's why he quit the GOP and ran LP in 1988.
http://reason.com/archives/2011/09/07/ron-pauls-reagan
Reagan was an ex-democrat and union leader, in many ways, his political journey is similar to Trump's and I am not a big fan of either.
Won't get an argument from me over that.I would say that generally applies to the entire spectrum of mainstream US political thought.
Freedom is not popular.
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Yes, I love how he keeps his calm towards everyone. We need more level-headed cops like that who know how to restrain themselves and understand a measured response.
Honestly it's surprising that this is the first instance of an Antifa being killed when this is how they act. I'm sure it's not easy for people like that kid to maintain their composure when faced with that. Say what you will about the kid's political beliefs, but he is a far better person than those anti-racists in every way that matters.
No, it's usually this kind of tree.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
I know your point was that anti-Jewishness was present in C-ville, but lest I leave a false impression on these boards, let me make this clear: I'm an unapologetic anti-Zionist and Holocaust denier, but I'm not anti-Semitic or anti-Jew. What's the difference? First, my religion is that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah, which means modern Zionism is anathema, because it vainly attempts to achieve a prophesy by human effort. So I don't acknowledge the Zionists' spiritual claim to Palestine. Even Orthodox Jews insist the diaspora continues, until the Messiah comes.
Except, Israel's a geopolitical reality, so the history of the Zionists, which is documented well enough in the public domain, is worth considering. Sure, there are red herrings on the way, like any research means weeding out inconsistent or insubstantial clues, but the paper trails, fraternities, business, and historical coincidences behind Zionism titself isn't controversial to an open mind. What's controversial is the Zionists' policy of illegal settling escalating to ethnic cleansing - even into the 21st c. This is blatantly illegal; it was illegal during the Indian Wars, when we broke our treaties, and its illegal according to 60 year old international laws, Israel's pledged armistice agreements.
Jews all over the world today criticize and denounce the Israeli government. Which brings me to my last point, because this is already tl;dr, which is no one with anti-Zionist convictions deserved to be labeled anti-Jew/anti-Semite. The Jews aren't the only Semites (Arabs are Semites, there are Semites in Iran, etc.) nor are all Jews even Zionists. Zionism is a real political ideology with teeth, with a very powerful D.C. lobby, media shills, corporate financiers, and zealots among American Evangelicals and Fundamentalists to leverage. America's the only country that can realistically check and pressure Israel, but <2% of the US population has our government by the snatch.
Speaking for myself, what you'll find in my posts can seem generally anti-Jew, however I've only committed to anti-Zionism, not to hatred of Jews. When the People come to grips with the extent and the cost of Zionism's over-representation, in a nation - their homeland - where a comparative handful benefit from the destruction of their culture and slaughter of thousands, then yeah, there's going to be anti-Jew rage. That doesn't justify the Zionists' tyranny of representation. I liken the alt-right's slogans to a barking dog: the dog's just alerting us to thief's presence the best it knows how, so we don't scold the dog because it doesn't know the thief's name.
That's fine, but overblown, and hey:
They're going extinct anyway.
http://www.amerika.org/politics/why-...stion-is-over/
I am disappointed in Cantwell the most. Very disheartening talk. Antifa has no institutional power despite their loud presence. They are the epitome of henchmen. Don't waste your time with henchmen and useful idiots. I would have greatly applauded if John Brennan or another institutional devil was run over by that Dodge Charger. That young woman not so much.
Gunny, Originalist and The Gold Standard told you so in this little thread alone:
Don't suppose you'd care to admit you were dead wrong? Or are you still doing the hopey changey thingie?
It's a God damned Challenger already.
That article gave me an idea, perhaps the Zionists are persecuting and destroying western society not because they wish to destroy IT necessarily but to drive the diaspora Jews to Israel.
If they succeed they may stop trying to destroy us and focus on the muslims surrounding Israel.
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Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
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Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Ron Paul also gave Reagan the highest marks of any recent President during his 2012 Presidential run. He probably did it for political reasons but I remember he gave Reagan a B grade.
Gun control has been pushed more in the libertarian direction in recent years. Even though Reagan was wrong on the gun bills, it isn't like a lot freedom thinkers weren't bad on the issue too.
You can read what Ayn Rand said. There are probably a few Democrats in the House today better on the issue than her. http://sellingthesecondamendment.com...views-on-guns/
Mark Levin called Trump a populist which is basically the same thing. Of course this is back when Levin's golden boy Ted Cruz was still in the race. Levin was silent on Trump's faults until Rand Paul dropped out.
https://www.conservativereview.com/a...nd-americanism
THE NIXON PERIOD
Moving into the Nixon period: We had wage and price controls that were set in place in 1971 to try to attack inflation. But what did wage and price controls do? Terrible dislocation of markets. And when the controls were lifted, of course, they spun out of control. Massive spending and massive redistribution of wealth.
Now Donald Trump is proposing $1 trillion in infrastructure spending — twice as much as Hillary Clinton did. They insist this is going to create jobs for the middle class and union workers and so forth.
How many more times are we going to do this? How many more times are we going to take money out of the private sector to fund some mastermind's idea about how to create jobs?The great power of the American economy was not created by government or tariffs or protectionism or progressivism or populism or nationalism. It was created by Americanism, by Americans.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Yes, and we should have taken some lessons from the gun movement on how to operate.
My only point was to counter what The Count said.
Gun control and drug control are "progressive" or leftist policies and they used would certainly today be called racist terminology to pitch them.
And here's the star of that slick Vice production. Apparently he made a video on his own today. Will he eventually make a video that says "ha, fooled you, it was all just an act."
This is the boogie-man that makes it necessary for the entire nation (and MSM) to go into a hysteria. Shelter in place, it's time for a national emergency declaration...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyeTj002DCo
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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Well, if his plan was to get the Civil War monuments removed, he succeeded and then some.
"Conspiracy" time.....
This is from 2012, at least start watching at 3:20....... media pushing distractions (what's new?), a group or person guilty of racism, people being arrested for domestic terrorism..... Illinois State Senate passes measure designating neo-Nazi groups as domestic terrorists....
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FJB
Does anybody remember when this group of people right here were all working together on fun political ideas like inventing the Tea Party - pretty much, actually, used the tea party name first - as a group, we were pretty active, working on projects and whatnot. Back in 2007-8, we had somethings going on.
It seems like now would be a good time to get together and do something on the ground.
You have nazis (apparently) who want big government solutions and commies (apparently) who want big government solutions.
It seems like no one is providing any voice that's just, more, chill. Government sucks, let's just have less of it. People, right now, would like to hear a Liberty message, especially if you leave minimum wage out of it. We're Libertarians, and we don't care what you think. Your feelings will not upset us. We're cool.
It's amazing how shrill whining about people whose feelings they don't like is in any way popular.
What are the alternatives? How about "Libertarians, we're just gonna be a little more chill than everybody else."
Beyond that, I'd think it would be fun, possibly dangerous, to get in the middle of these free press opportunities. Ron Paul has been able to bring people together, he can bring large groups. This group right here.
The shtbags in charge of this awfulness might want to pull these stunts over and over again, I would assume that these awful stunts are something that people on here do not like one bit. And Libertarians really shouldn't like nazis or commies. Everyone just goes to the rally, outnumbering everyone, with Libertarians - the Normal ones - on a tasteful button. But the point, really, is to prevent their false flag skits from going as planned. And there are so many different things you can do to defeat their plans. Any introduction of additional uncertainty makes it more difficult to accomplish their objectives.
you have a link to anything like "the worst things the nazis did in Charlottesville" with video from there of them doing that.
What seems to be happening is that these folks with unpopular opinions were standing around and they were attacked by antifa. Piss and $#@! was thrown on them, tear gas and pepper spray and the cops did nothing. Somewhere someone drove a car through a bunch of people and it was said that it was the nazis who did it? I'm not sure exactly what happened there, but there's video of an antifa guy pepper spraying someone. The guy wearing the vanguard "uniform" was said not to be a member of vanguard. That could've been a false flag element.
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
Well, you know, I made a suggestion that would honestly accomplish everything you suggest. It's designed to get press, it jumps in the middle of this whole mess, it's amusing, it'll draw attention to one of the finest libertarians of the twentieth century and a personal hero of Ron Paul, it upsets the 'Republicans are all racists and no Democrat ever was' lie, it has all the 'WTF Factor' it needs to get attention, and it gives us a chance to enlighten people how one of the most prosperous eras of U.S. history came to pass.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-Cal-MONEYBOMB!
By all means, click on the thread and count the crickets chirping.
I don't know whether to laugh at Rev3's post or be more incredulous. You befriend the very malicious trolls on this site who are attempting to harm the site, and you have the nerve to talk about RPFers sympathizing with others.
Your "pressing on" is licking the boots of people harming the site for your own self-absorbed, debate gratification. Maybe you should actually do something instead of trying to be some bigshot whose only concern is feeble attempts to showboat your fictional purity.
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