When has the media ever faked an event for the good of this country?Originally Posted by acptulsa
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BTW. I know there is a difference between the suspicion that you, Gunny freedom and others have for Trump in general vs people like Zippy, the count, and Rev3. I usually am cynical like you, so I avoid attacking you.
I have never seen the establishment attack anyone like they have Trump, especially with this issue. For now I am with him on this issue. Withdrawing the troops was one of my main attractions to Ron Paul in 2008.
However if November 2020 rolls around, and I am still hearing that any day Trump will pull the troops out of Syria, I will be on your side of this.
But for now, this is the closest thing I have seen come out of Washington to hang any hope on. I gotta go with that for now.
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If nothing else, the tone from the White House has changed. That in itself is cause for some celebration, we shall see where it leads.
I know it's long, but it's worth hearing the whole thing.
"The Patriarch"
Nice first steps towards policy change in ME...miles to go..but a remarkable week.
U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper said on Friday that no U.S. troops will take part in enforcing the so-called safe zone in northern Syria and the United States "is continuing our deliberate withdrawal from northeastern Syria."Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan earlier on Friday said Turkey will set up a dozen observation posts across northeast Syria, insisting that a planned "safe zone" will extend much further than U.S. officials said was covered under a fragile ceasefire deal.
The truce, announced by U.S. Vice President Mike Pence after talks in Ankara with Erdogan, sets out a five-day pause to let the Kurdish-led SDF militia pull out of the Turkish "safe zone."
"No U.S. ground forces will participate in the enforcement of the safe zone, however we will remain in communication with both Turkey and the SDF," Esper told reporters, referring to the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).
More at: https://news.yahoo.com/u-ground-troo...175350635.html
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Defense Secretary Mark Esper says that under the current plan all U.S. troops leaving Syria will go to western Iraq and the military will continue to conduct operations against the Islamic State group to prevent its resurgence.
His comments were the first to specifically lay out where American troops will go as they leave Syria and what the counter-IS fight could look like. Esper said he has spoken to his Iraqi counterpart about the plan to shift the more than 700 troops leaving Syria into western Iraq.
As Esper left Washington on Saturday, U.S. troops were continuing to pull out of northern Syria after Turkey's invasion into the border region.
He added that the U.S. withdrawal will be deliberate and safe, and will take "weeks not days."
According to a U.S. official on Saturday, about a couple of hundred troops have left Syria so far. The U.S. forces have been largely consolidated in one location in the west and a few locations in the east.
More at: https://news.yahoo.com/defense-chief...024248227.html
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Nice self portrait.
So let me see if I have your position right:
MSM says war is peace. MSM is lying to manipulate us.
MSM says poverty is prosperity. MSM is lying to manipulate us.
MSM says racism is tolerance. MSM is lying to manipulate us.
MSM says Clinton is innocent. MSM is lying to manipulate us.
MSM says Lindsay Graham wants people in the middle east to be safe and happy and Rand Paul doesn't. MSM is lying to manipulate us.
MSM shows us a video. MSM doctored it and lied about what it is to manipulate us.
MSM says it hates Trump. MSM couldn't possibly be lying to manipulate us.
That about it?
No way, if someone was playing 3D chess, it's definitely Trump playing it and not the MSM. I doubt the MSM know how to play any kind of chess, no deception at all expect for the ones right in our faces
I'm gonna drop this here.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
That about sums it up, I think. Everything from the media is bull$#@! *except* the Trump hating part. That part is real. For some reason, which no one can ever really explain, that part is different.
Also, everyone that objects to the ad hominem, profane and generally low-brow and unnecessary invective like in OP's post should report it. There's no need for that junk here.
Last edited by devil21; 10-20-2019 at 11:30 AM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
It's not about the MSM, it's about Trump's actions.
You and the other TDS victims actively ignore the truth.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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And there is no need for your constant negative posting about a positive development. All you do is bitch, bitch, bitch about anything Trump.
Even something that is positive. So go ahead and report away, you special little snowflake.
What's so great about what he does? Not so much, according to what you do?
You spend so much time making excuses for your manly, fearless Alpha and explaining how busy he is avoiding invisible assassination attempts (which the world's busiest tweeter, who attention whores sixteen hours a day, never even mentions), one wonders where you find the time to accuse everyone else of being deranged.
If you're going to turn into nothing but an insult machine, you could at least dream up insults that actually apply to the person you're addressing. devil21 is many things, but a snowflake is not one of them.
Accusing everyone who doesn't march in lockstep with him of being a Clinton living, social justice warrioring Democratic superdelegate is Swordshyll's schtick. Come up with your own.
He has an excuse for lobbing prepackaged insults that completely fail to describe the insultee. He's paid by the post. If he slows down to hand craft his posts, he falls below minimum wage. What's your excuse?
Last edited by acptulsa; 10-20-2019 at 02:53 PM.
That's politics.
Invective, profanity, threats and general devolution of forum etiquette is entirely different, is unnecessary and is a violation of forum site mission and terms. Notice UWDude is gone? Can't imagine why
LOL thanks, yeah I have my faults but the notion of me, of all people, being any kind of snowflake is downright funny. Most of the Trumpkin warriors around here would melt in situations that I sometimes find myself in due to my principles. Like traveling in my car in a major city without license plates....
Last edited by devil21; 10-20-2019 at 02:58 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Watch out, the troll brigade will target you for banning, they can get away with anything but if you use a few insults they will get you banned.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Flaunting your hypocrisy again?
Are you really that immune from discipline around here?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
That you can post such utter and complete bull$#@!, apparently with a straight face, is truly remarkable.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
That's politics.
Invective, profanity, threats and general devolution of forum etiquette is entirely different, is unnecessary and is a violation of forum site mission and terms. Notice UWDude is gone? Can't imagine why
LOL thanks, yeah I have my faults but the notion of me, of all people, being any kind of snowflake is downright funny. Most of the Trumpkin warriors around here would melt in situations that I sometimes find myself in due to my principles. Like traveling in my car in a major city without license plates....
Hey man, I just wanted to second acptulsa's assessment. I may not always agree with you but one thing you most certainly are NOT is any kind of "snowflake."
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Maybe you hypocrites are just blind and can't even see your own hypocrisy, either that or you have unlimited gall.
The guy who followed me around the forum posting sexual insults (who you ganged up with) never got a temp ban, he just left on his own after receiving some minor discipline long after his behavior started.
The rest of you run around hurling insults right and left and nothing ever happens to you but let anyone copy you or even fight back and they get disciplined.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The snowflake club agrees that none of them are snowflakes.
You guys and others around here flip out if anyone dares to disagree with you.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Maybe just having a bad day and channelling his inner Trump? Who knows?
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Playing the victim yet again? Doesn't that get old after a while?
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Projection.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
That's what every bully says when called out.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Really don't give a $#@! anymore. Libertarian purists are as bad as progressives. Which is why they have such an astounding representation with the likes of Gary Johnson and like to strip to thongs at their conventions. Winning movement right there.
Once upon a time this forum had many Constitutional conservatives. Now, it's mostly libertarian/anarchist that do nothing but bitch, advocate for open borders, and hate on the Constitution and conservatism.
$#@! 'em.
They'll keep bleating about the N.A.P. and this elusive libertarian utopia which will NEVER materialize. They are incapable of seeing the Bolshevik's in their living room that would as soon exterminate and subjugate them as they would anyone else that doesn't march in lock-step to their R3vilution.
So $#@! it. I'm about tired of this place anyway. Let them bleat until there is no one else to bleat to except themselves. And then they will start bleating at each other.
It's the libertarian way.
You are projecting about projection, that's fascinating.Projection.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
WTF?
That's the biggest bunch of $#@! I've ever read from you & you've always been one of my fav members.
The name-calling/insults/bleating started with Trump-supporters- anyone who didn't agree was called all kinds of names & insulted to the moon & back. I was called everything in the book for questioning Trump's campaign desire to have all American Muslims on a register as unconstitutional.
Trying to have a decent dialog with any Trump-supporter was virtually impossible. I didn't care if someone disagreed with me- and still don't- and having a good conversation about different thoughts & POV can be is very positive. Now anyone who stands for true conservatism is called an anarchist (in the bad sense- anarchy is actually good & generally misunderstood) and/or "purist". And that's hardly the worst things people are called for questioning the Trump status-quo.
Cracks me up that people still call zippy a shill when he never calls names or throws out personal insults- yet some of the people I like the best now stand up for some of the biggest insulters on the forum.
And, if "purist" means standing by the principles I learned as a kid from Ron Paul, then I guess I qualify.
There is no spoon.
Not only do you ignore the insults and incivility hurled by one side but you put politeness ahead of truthfulness and liberty.
It reminds me of Romney.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Just proved my point.
There is no spoon.
Guess I'm not a 'fav' anymore. Oh, well.
Ron Paul himself, and Rand, BOTH believe in encouraging Trump in non-interventionism. Both have praised him for his latest moves.
Yet, on these forums, libertarian purists can't get a grip.
Negativity, negativity, negativity. ANYTHING Trump.
They want only to divide, just like the progressives.
So here we are, can't even be happy about POSITIVE transformations. Gotta bitch, bitch, bitch. Because anti-Trump is COOL, man. Just ask any progressive.
If the libertarian/anarchists want to align with progressives then they need to just go do it. Because they DON'T align with Constitutional conservatives.
Open borders ? Hurrah! Abortion? We believe in individual choice! The Constitution? An archaic piece of paper that doesn't matter anyway! Just throw it in the bin and start a new utopia based on individual want and desire.
No. $#@! a bunch of libertarian/anarchist dipshits.
Keep going down this forum path until you are an Army of one. The one that is the MOST pure. SMDH.
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