Chip In to Bail Out Roger Pion

[oyarde]

Independence day to me , is to sit in my yard , drink beer and reflect on those who came before me and all they risked for me to now have the Independence and freedoms remaining that have not been stolen back in the past 100 years.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

There's no doubt about what is going to happen to him. However, a show of support for him makes a statement

That is why I find this worth doing. And I think a fija campaign may also have some success.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I'm actively working on site and content, just so you guys know. May have something useful published tonight, but waiting on designer (who has also agreed to donate her skills) She's doing so as anon - no links to her site, etc, etc.

I'd like some help with content once I get it live, but the basic plan is to have a nice one page website linking to a few chipins explaining why this is important. Many of you are smarter and better writers than I, and I've borrowed some important points from these threads here.

I think he has something happening tomorrow regarding the original charges, and I hope his lawyers are smart enough to continue. If he pleads tomorrow, then there may be no chance of getting him out quickly. I don't know the details of that, though. Sister ignored my email and I don't communicate personally by FB.

[Philhelm]

Would it have been okay if he had shot the cops that arrested him instead, since they are thieves and held him against his will?

I don't know, but I do know that I wouldn't have stopped him.

[Philhelm]

Independence day to me , is to sit in my yard , drink beer and reflect on those who came before me and all they risked for me to now have the Independence and freedoms remaining that have not been stolen back in the past 100 years.

Remaining freedoms? That's, what, perhaps a single beer's worth of reflection?

[Origanalist]

That is why I find this worth doing. And I think a fija campaign may also have some success.

fija?

[pcosmar]

Remaining freedoms? That's, what, perhaps a single beer's worth of reflection?

And the rest of the six pack on that revelation.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

fija?

http://fija.org

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

http://fija.org

It is 'jury nullification' - we don;t care what the law says... it is unjust, so we will not convict."

Many judges do whatever they can to control the process, saying things like "If you believe X, then you most vote guilty." Then you have jurors coming out of the courtroom saying "the judge said we had to find him guilty, but we didn;t think he deserved 10 years." etc.

The fact is that jurors have a duty to judge both the facts and the law. This is why we have juries... they are one of the last useful defenses against tyranny. This is why I tell people they should hope they get put on a jury instead of trying to get out of jury duty.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

You only need ONE person who feels a guilty verdict is unjust to stop it from happening.

[ShaneEnochs]

I dunno guys. Dude sounds like a dumbass who can't control his temper.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I am just playing right now, but the link is forwarding to MJU's chipin until I get a pre-sell domain set up. In any case, we should be able to make this go someplace. And if not, we took a shot.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I dunno guys. Dude sounds like a dumbass who can't control his temper.

Good, then arrest him for that instead of MJ possession. Sounds easy enough if that were the real problem.

[ShaneEnochs]

Good, then arrest him for that instead of MJ possession. Sounds easy enough if that were the real problem.

Marijuana is illegal. If people want it, perhaps a movement should be started to push that agenda, or perhaps even run for office in order to get prohibition repealed. Running over police vehicles in a tractor because you got busted doing something illegal is a stupid course of action to take.

I understand many feel that his actions were justified because marijuana shouldn't be illegal, but if this fellow got caught possessing coke or meth, I wonder if this thread would have been started.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Marijuana is illegal. If people want it, perhaps a movement should be started to push that agenda, or perhaps even run for office in order to get prohibition repealed. Running over police vehicles in a tractor because you got busted doing something illegal is a stupid course of action to take.

I understand many feel that his actions were justified because marijuana shouldn't be illegal, but if this fellow got caught possessing coke or meth, I wonder if this thread would have been started.

Likely not. Also, this IS a movement for repeal.

If you want to allow the state to run all over you and everyone you know while you sheepishly work through their system asking for mercy or change (that will result in lost revenue for them), go right ahead. I'm gonna do something else. This is what I'm doing right now. Unjust laws are not laws at all.

And I know I'm out on a limb here, not knowing the history of the person in question. I understand he may not be a saint. Don't care. I have heard that none of his "crimes" have been "violent" before and the "authorities" said they could not have predicted this. So he sounds like a peaceful person who just got fed up.

So I'm for his defense. Maybe you can start a campaign in opposition if you like. Have at it.

[TheTexan]

Our country was founded on people destroying property because of laws they didn't like. <-- historical fact for you

[ShaneEnochs]

Nevermind. I quit.

[Origanalist]

It is 'jury nullification' - we don;t care what the law says... it is unjust, so we will not convict."

Many judges do whatever they can to control the process, saying things like "If you believe X, then you most vote guilty." Then you have jurors coming out of the courtroom saying "the judge said we had to find him guilty, but we didn;t think he deserved 10 years." etc.

The fact is that jurors have a duty to judge both the facts and the law. This is why we have juries... they are one of the last useful defenses against tyranny. This is why I tell people they should hope they get put on a jury instead of trying to get out of jury duty.

Got it. I've served jury duty before and know just what you're talking about.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Nevermind. I quit.

I appreciate intelligent discourse. You don't have to quit if you still believe your line of thinking is appropriate.

Those who put people in jail for owning a plant don't appreciate intelligent discourse. They don't show up to make sure no one is being hurt by the plant or the use of it. They run over people like tractors and then steal their property, suggesting the victim needs to prove how they acquired the property.

This guy smashed empty cop cars. The drug warriors smash peoples' lives, their children's lives, and their possessions, often without due process of law or any threat to the people they are pretending to protect.

[MJU1983]

He can quit derailing the thread.

From the horses mouth on MJ:



"The Constitution does not authorize the federal government simply to ban these substances..." - Ron Paul

[Nirvikalpa]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

[Revolution9]

This is a great idea and sends a message to men that need to hear it..or in this case witness it.. Don't listen to the mod above. They are not a man and have no clue about men.

Rev9

[Origanalist]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

Exactly, they already call us crazy. So what's all the fear about? Do you have any idea how many people are opposed to the war on drugs?

[MJU1983]

So can I pencil you in for a $100, Nirvikalpa?

[Nirvikalpa]

Do you all have any idea how many people are for the war on drugs and support the police, believing they are truly "America's finest" and do truly protect and serve?

[Revolution9]

Marijuana is illegal. If people want it, perhaps a movement should be started to push that agenda, or perhaps even run for office in order to get prohibition repealed. Running over police vehicles in a tractor because you got busted doing something illegal is a stupid course of action to take.

I understand many feel that his actions were justified because marijuana shouldn't be illegal, but if this fellow got caught possessing coke or meth, I wonder if this thread would have been started.

You have admitted never smoking it so you have no stance to make a correct judgement. Busting someone for weed is sheer tyranny. They need to understand blowback because their response to potsmoking is way out of proportion. This is not meth nor coke. Roger Pion is a folk hero. he did what hundreds of thousands wanted to do. Probably knows the pigs personally too. "Alright Fred..We went to school together and you busted my ass for smoking when you used to too..I am running yer $#@! over.."

Rev9

[Revolution9]

Do you all have any idea how many people are for the war on drugs and support the police, believing they are truly "America's finest" and do truly protect and serve?

They have had their way for far too frakkin' long. It is time the blowback begins./ I hope copycats show up all over jackboot land. These idiots that want the boot on the neck of their fellow countrymen need to crawl back in their holes. They got their own set of sins to handle like judging other they do not know as bad people.


Rev9

[PaulConventionWV]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

Right! Sometimes you just have to comply and blend in with the status quo. But don't worry, you can still oppose the police state by being completely subservient and non-combative. Just follow the herd and we'll achieve the change we're looking for... eventually. It is completely reasonable to expect the laws to change if we oppose them by not challenging them in any way whatsoever.

War is peace.
Slavery is freedom.
And compliance is resistance.

Good strategy there.

Sometimes, the only way to stand out is to look as normal as possible. /sarcasm

[Origanalist]

Do you all have any idea how many people are for the war on drugs and support the police, believing they are truly "America's finest" and do truly protect and serve?

Yes, yes I do. Maybe a little reality will break through all that propaganda. How did the prohibition against alcohol end? Because everybody just said well it's illegal, and the government is only looking out for us?

[MelissaWV]

Yep. Not running over cop cars is now "being completely subservient and non-combative."

How many has Ron run over, I wonder...