*colored (amiright)Originally Posted by TheTexan
I prefer this one. It gets all the colors out
Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,--
Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
A photo op by whom? Trump, Rand, or both?
I think the upside of this relationship is that Rand has the president’s ear... covert activism on the inside?
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows
Is this for real?
Rand is a full time sitting U.S. Senator, not a full time white house adviser, unlike some of the names you listed.
Along the full time WH advisers you listed there are also those he listens to that fall on our side of the ideological map. So why don't you also list kudlow, mulvaney, or Stephens?
Why do Rand and Trump always meet at the golf course?
Why can't they just have a talk at Trump Tower?
Kidding aside, I hope whatever they had to talk about was important. The political world has been getting stranger since the Mueller report came out.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Damn you're good. Need to spread more reputation before....I prefer this one. It gets all the colors out
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
I might be wrong, but I think your feelings are leading you astray. After Trump was elected I thought it would be a good idea to read some of his books. I started with The Art of the Deal from 1987. I think Trump surrounds himself with advisors of all sorts so he can gather information from different points of view.
We can see that Trump hasn't started any wars for the neocons. Will he listen to their input? I think so. Does he do their bidding? Apparently not.
It seems to me that Trump likes to listen to people and then he makes his own decisions after running everything through his filter. This is a guy who has run his own companies for decades and doesn't take orders from some board or stockholders. He has kept his companies private his whole life to my knowledge.
This is a guy that will listen to people if they aren't an $#@! to him. It doesn't mean he will act on the request of Rand or Bolton or anyone else, but he will listen. I don't see any evidence that Trump listens Bolton more than Rand.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
Rand is winning in my opinion, the drone crisis proves that and so does banishing Bolton to Mongolia on the N. Korea trip.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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If claims about about MAGA's top donor being an Iran war championing Israel First globalist are valid, he would never support a ticket with Rand on it.
Although MAGA's 2020 funding and election chances are not looking great as is, so this could be a moot point in the end. Some weak signs of alternate GOP leadership emerging also.
MAGA Allies: 'Bully Israel with undeclared nukes steals land'
Dangerous conspiracy theories on Right claim MAGA fake frontgroup
Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
Obama-Clinton Years: A Violent Chapter in World History
Trump: If (Neocon) Adelson Backs Rubio "He'll Have Total Control" Over Him
Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
Seems like a much better strategy than Amash's, but what do I know?
What's better....call for his impeachment and become a political exile with zero influence on the President for the next 6 years.....or go golfing with him and try to counter what the neocons have been whispering in his ear? Rand could be the Trump whisperer.
Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos
You know what would be better than a picture of Trump and Rand together? A picture of Trump, Rand, and Massie together. I think the internet would explode if that were to ever happen.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
Rand should arrange that, it would help Massie against the establishment shill that's running against him.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Maybe so, but it seems like he surrounds himself with way more globalists, neocons, zionists, pedophiles and just plain ole degenerates than with libertarians, free marketers, constitutionalists etc. I personally think you don't need anyone from the former group in your cabinet but if you do, you wanna have a minimum amount of em.
Yet, we know conflict initiation can be very difficult but with Trump enacting more punishing sanctions of Iran, moving troops and battle ships close to their border and stealing their ships, you know that its only a matter of time before he is able to get excuses to start a war. He doesn't want war but he seems to be pushing Iran to war
I disagree with you, I think Trump listens to people in his inner circle more than he does with people in his outer circle like Rand. I hope it changes in the future but with Trump not pulling troops out, increasing sanctions and moving troops around the middle east we can tell Bolton and Pompeo got his ear.
Photo op by Trump, Rand is genuinely trying to persuade him into doing the right thing but it would be hard to counter the daily pushing by Bolton and Pompeo with Rand's monthly golf outings.
Kudlow is on who's side? Stephens is wishy washing, sometimes I agree with him and the other times I think he is completely off. I mentioned Bolton and Pompeo because those are the 2 who seem to have the most noticeable influence on Trump. I cannot think of anything free market policies those 3 names have moved Trump on.
EM.
Then this might have been fakenews:
In 2016-2019's America with wars fatigue, even Bush-Cheney would have escalated/started fewer wars than Trump or Obama. He did military escalation in Afghanistan, bombed Syria and now has military build up and harsh sanctions around Iran that can lead to war even without intention. There is no appetite for a new major war even among GOP base and MAGA funding Deep Zionism lobbies seem to know that too. If you can argue that Trump would not have started Iraq war if he were in Bush-Cheney shoes in 2003 after media machine allied with Trump funding lobbies had made public hungry for war, then I would say that would be a weak argument knowing his track record and history of principled stands (or lack of).
Granted he does not seem like a war hungry POTUS organically and usually talks more than he acts. But critics say he takes orders from his top donor Israel-Firster neocon Adelson and his Israel-Palestine, Iran, Syria policies are a reflection of that. Looking at recent globalist foreign policy and MIC spending, such claims can not be entirely dismissed.
Last edited by enhanced_deficit; 07-16-2019 at 10:42 AM.
MAGA Allies: 'Bully Israel with undeclared nukes steals land'
Dangerous conspiracy theories on Right claim MAGA fake frontgroup
Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
Obama-Clinton Years: A Violent Chapter in World History
Trump: If (Neocon) Adelson Backs Rubio "He'll Have Total Control" Over Him
Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
Love seeing these two together. Are Rand and Trump closer than Ron and Reagan were? Sure seems like it.
When you're biased its easy to be blinded to information that does not align with your view
There is a moral issue with helping end wars, end Obamacare, lowering taxes, reducing regulations, etc?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Wars still going on. 5000 pages of Obamacare still on the books. Tariffs are taxes. No idea what regulations you mean but nothing that affects any of us in any material way.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Wars are winding down, he hasn't started any new wars, Obamacare mandate/penalty (worst part of Obamacare) is gone. Free market options opened up for healthcare. Average person is saving a lot of money on taxes, tariffs are helping bring jobs back, manufacturing jobs having been going way up, government jobs have been going down.
Tons of regulations have been dropped that are saving the economy billions a year..
Sorry you're just wrong. Things may not be as great as you can imagine, but they are heading in the right direction in many ways - despite all of the deep state resistance against Trump.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax CutStudies consistently find that the 2017 law cut taxes for most Americans. Most of them don’t buy it.
April 14, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/14/b...e-tax-cut.html
The irony in the NYT writing that most Americans don't buy the tax cut savings when they have been the ones pushing that propaganda.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I don't know if this story is true, but it does illustrate exactly what I am saying. People near Trump do have a chance to influence him. This is why it is important to have a positive relationship with the president. Rand Paul is smart enough to have a relationship, while Justin Amash was not.EM.
Then this might have been fakenews:
In 2016-2019's America with wars fatigue, even Bush-Cheney would have escalated/started fewer wars than Trump or Obama. He did military escalation in Afghanistan, bombed Syria and now has military build up and harsh sanctions around Iran that can lead to war even without intention. There is no appetite for a new major war even among GOP base and MAGA funding Deep Zionism lobbies seem to know that too. If you can argue that Trump would not have started Iraq war if he were in Bush-Cheney shoes in 2003 after media machine allied with Trump funding lobbies had made public hungry for war, then I would say that would be a weak argument knowing his track record and history of principled stands (or lack of).
Granted he does not seem like a war hungry POTUS organically and usually talks more than he acts. But critics say he takes orders from his top donor Israel-Firster neocon Adelson and his Israel-Palestine, Iran, Syria policies are a reflection of that. Looking at recent globalist foreign policy and MIC spending, such claims can not be entirely dismissed.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
If you say so. Justin Amash at least has principles so I respect him 100x more than Rand.
Look who is attacking Rand again.
If Amash had any principles he wouldn't have endorsed the treasonous coup and its idiotic obstruction claims.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Rand is getting good things done and you are trying to stop him.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
O'Bummercare is going to be declared unconstitutional and Trump's DoJ is helping to see to it.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
If Amash was so principled, why ignore the illegal FISA warrants against Trump and support an obviously bull$#@! web of lies that the mainstream media put out daily propaganda on for 3 years?
I still support Amash because generally he is pretty good on everything else, and he is great for his district. But Rand is a lot better for the country and the world.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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