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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
How about 'NO'?
The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
So they knew better, but they did it anyway. That just makes them even more despicable.
The radical abolitionists were a tiny minority, essentially powerless in all but force of rhetoric.
Though slavery probably would have died eventually, there is no reason to imagine it would have done so any sooner than it actually did.
Prior to actual abolition, it was simply not in the slavers' material interests that it do so (despite any vaunted and hyprocritical appreciation of "what freedom was").
Hence, their paranoia regarding any notion of abolition ("radical" or otherwise).
Which only further compounds their hypocrisy.
Such blatantly profound contradictions cannot be maintained without severe or even fatal damage to the body politic.
This is one of the chief reasons why the Bill of Rights is a dead letter today - the principles underlying it were never really taken seriously to begin with.
(And the better and wiser men among them - like Jefferson - knew it: "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just [and] that his justice cannot sleep forever.")
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-08-2018 at 01:18 PM. Reason: typos
I do not defend slavery, in my opinion GOD allowed the south to lose the civil war as punishment for their hypocrisy.
However my point still stands, Yankees were not a liberty oriented society, the south could have and eventually would have ended slavery and their people would have been free, the Yankees "freed" the slaves and enslaved everyone.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I agree with this.
It is the bolded of which I am deeply skeptical.
These were people who allowed their immediate material self-interests to supercede their awareness of and alleged dedication to the principles of human liberty.
And they did so in one of the most profoundly anti-human and anti-liberty ways possible: the maintenance and defense (on both physical and philosophical bases) of abject human chattel slavery.
This is not a legacy upon which it can reasonably be expected that liberty will advance and flourish.
Almost every society on Earth practiced slavery, the past doesn't have to control the future, if you know what is right but have not yet conformed to it you are closer than someone who doesn't know what is right, if you never conform to it you will be more guilty than the one who is ignorant but you have the chance to, those who haven't even figured out what is right will never conform to it until they catch up to you.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Not all the Abolitionists were radicals. Nehemiah Adams, who kept a diary of his sick leave visiting Atlanta, saw first hand the rhetoric of his fellows was out of line. However, he didn't change his mind over natural rights. Maybe 1860 was too late to fight the myths of the arch-warmongers in Massachusetts, but his book was published that year.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Those are called human rights. As in, humans are entitled to them because they are human and for no other reason.
This is why, when you said that only Americans are entitled to all human rights, @r3volution 3.0 said that you view others as sub-human. You said that group membership was required in order to have human rights.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I think you'd better read this:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...30#post6614430
There is no spoon.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
JWK
”The deception of the appeal for a "convention of states" lies first of all in the name of the project. If you open your pocket Constitution, it's easy to see that the convention authorized by Article V would not be a "convention of states" in any sense of the word.” __ Phyllis Schlafly, 5/24/2016
I don't have to pretend you're a Fascist. Its right there in black and white.
And if you don't think this:
isn't what you support you're either a moron who doesn't understand how a militarized borders and immigration restriction works or you're a delusional fool with some utopian fantasy ignoring how things work in the real world.. Earth is a prison and you're going to make everyone more free by making the USA even MORE of prison, by surrounding it with a literal wall, armed military guards who will shoot you for crossing the wall, and expanding the power of the government to cage millions of nonviolent people, seize the property, and kill them if necessary? That is what you define as "freedom." That is literally insane.
Currently I'm thinking delusional fool. Humans started experimenting with statism 5,000 years ago and the end result of embracing the State has been tyranny, oppression, and destruction. And you're answer is to continue embracing and loving the State, imaging that somehow, for some magical reason, this time it will be different. Delusion.
You keep talking about anarchy being the problem, but it is quite clear that the problems only began when people embraced the State. And those problems will only continue as people continue to embrace the State. You talk about Mexicans being a threat. Anyone who votes is a threat to the peace, liberty, and prosperity of society. They're the ones choosing violent warlords to enact the edicts of a violent government onto the people, depriving them of their life, liberty, and property.
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