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    Giraldi: This Will Not End Well

    Another Ron Paul supporter with intelligence cred, Philip Giraldi is a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the United States Central Intelligence Agency.


    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52799.htm

    The United States is now at war with Iran in a conflict that could easily have been avoided and it will not end well. There will be no declaration of war coming from either side, but the assassination of Iranian Quds Force Commander General Qassem Soleimani and the head of Kata’ib Hezbollah Abu Mehdi Muhandis by virtue of a Reaper drone strike in Baghdad will shift the long-simmering conflict between the two nations into high gear. Iran cannot let the killing of a senior military officer go unanswered even though it cannot directly confront the United States militarily. But there will be reprisals and Tehran’s suspected use of proxies to stage limited strikes will now be replaced by more damaging actions that can be directly attributed to the Iranian government. As Iran has significant resources locally, one can expect that the entire Persian Gulf region will be destabilized.

    And there is also the terrorism card, which will come into play. Iran has an extensive diaspora throughout much of the Middle East and, as it has been threatened by Washington for many years, it has had a long time to prepare for a war to be fought largely in the shadows. No American diplomat, soldier or even tourists in the region should consider him or herself to be safe, quite the contrary. It will be an “open season” on Americans. The U.S. has already ordered a partial evacuation of the Baghdad Embassy and has advised all American citizens to leave the country immediately.

    Donald Trump rode to victory in 2016 on a promise to end the useless wars in the Middle East, but he has now demonstrated very clearly that he is a liar. Instead of seeking detente, one of his first actions was to end the JCPOA nuclear agreement and re-introduce sanctions against Iran. In a sense, Iran has from the beginning been the exception to Trump’s no-new-war pledge, a position that might reasonably be directly attributed to his incestuous relationship with the American Jewish community and in particular derived from his pandering to the expressed needs of Israel’s belligerent Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Trump bears full responsibility for what comes next. The neoconservatives and Israelis are predictably cheering the result, with Mark Dubowitz of the pro-Israel Foundation for Defense of Democracies enthusing that it is “bigger than bin Laden…a massive blow to the [Iranian] regime.” Dubowitz, whose credentials as an “Iran expert” are dubious at best, is at least somewhat right in this case. Qassem Suleimani is, to be sure, charismatic and also very popular in Iran. He is Iran’s most powerful military figure in the entire region, being the principal contact for proxies and allies in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. But what Dubowitz does not understand is that no one in a military hierarchy is irreplaceable. Suleimani’s aides and high officials in the intelligence ministry are certainly more than capable of picking up his mantle and continuing his policies.

    In reality, the series of foolish attacks initiated by the United States over the past week will only hasten the departure of much of the U.S. military from the region. The Pentagon and White House have been insisting that Iran was behind an alleged Kata’ib Hezbollah attack on a U.S. installation that then triggered a strike by Washington on claimed militia targets in Syria and also inside Iraq. Even though the U.S. military presence is as a guest of the Iraqi government, Washington went ahead with its attack even after the Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi said “no.”

    To justify its actions, Mark Esper, Secretary of Defense, went so far as to insist that “Iran is at war with the whole world,” a clear demonstration of just how ignorant the White House team actually is. The U.S. government characteristically has not provided any evidence demonstrating either Iranian or Kata’ib involvement in recent developments, but after the counter-strike killed 26 Iraqi soldiers, the mass demonstrations against the Embassy in Baghdad became inevitable. The demonstrations were also attributed to Iran by Washington even though the people in the street were undoubtedly Iraqis.

    Now that the U.S. has also killed Suleimani and Muhandis in a drone strike at Baghdad Airport, clearly accomplished without the approval of the Iraqi government, it is inevitable that the prime minister will ask American forces to leave. That will in turn make the situation for the remaining U.S. troops in neighboring Syria untenable. And it will also force other Arab states in the region to rethink their hosting of U.S. soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen due to the law of unanticipated consequences as it is now clear that Washington has foolishly begun a war that serves no one’s interests.

    The blood of the Americans, Iranians and Iraqis who will die in the next few weeks is clearly on Donald Trump’s hands as this war was never inevitable and served no U.S. national interest. It will surely turn out to be a debacle, as well as devastating for all parties involved. And it might well, on top of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya, be the long-awaited beginning of the end of America’s imperial ambitions. Let us hope so!



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    LOL

    Trust the CIA.

    LOL
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    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Trust the CIA.

    LOL
    Like we needed another reminder you aren't actually a Ron Paul supporter?

    Giraldi has been working hard for the anti-war effort for 20+ years, he has been cited by Paul numerous times, and has a reputation that can't be touched.

    $#@! your Trump loving bull$#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Like we needed another reminder you aren't actually a Ron Paul supporter?

    Giraldi has been working hard for the anti-war effort for 20+ years, he has been cited by Paul numerous times, and has a reputation that can't be touched.

    $#@! your Trump loving bull$#@!.
    Never heard of controlled opposition? Isn’t that something that the CIA specializes in? Or maybe this guy is being fooled by deep state propaganda. How do his talking points differ from CNN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Like we needed another reminder you aren't actually a Ron Paul supporter?

    Giraldi has been working hard for the anti-war effort for 20+ years, he has been cited by Paul numerous times, and has a reputation that can't be touched.

    $#@! your Trump loving bull$#@!.
    Have you ever heard of a cover?

    There is no such thing as an ex-CIA operative.

    This is like watching the Demoncrats suddenly discover a new found love of the CIA and FBI.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Wow.

    You people.
    Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,--
    Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
    Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
    ‫‬‫‬

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Never heard of controlled opposition? Isn’t that something that the CIA specializes in? Or maybe this guy is being fooled by deep state propaganda. How do his talking points differ from CNN?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Have you ever heard of a cover?

    There is no such thing as an ex-CIA operative.

    This is like watching the Demoncrats suddenly discover a new found love of the CIA and FBI.
    Everyone who criticizes Trump is a Deep State operative.

    Every event which makes Trump look bad is a false flag by the Deep State.

    Every bad act by Trump is a cunning plan to do the opposite.

    Only random people on youtube who agree with me know the truth.




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    War or not... there will be no declaration.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Everyone who criticizes Trump is a Deep State operative.

    Every event which makes Trump look bad is a false flag by the Deep State.

    Every bad act by Trump is a cunning plan to do the opposite.

    Only random people on youtube who agree with me know the truth.

    The CIA thanks you.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    Wow.

    You people.
    It's freaking the most bizarre thing, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    Wow.

    You people.
    It's something to behold isn't it?
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The CIA thanks you.
    I haven't punched out a Spook in a While...

    that's it...(wow)

    That would probably make me feel better..
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I haven't punched out a Spook in a While...

    that's it...(wow)

    That would probably make me feel better..
    That would be nice.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Never heard of controlled opposition? Isn’t that something that the CIA specializes in? Or maybe this guy is being fooled by deep state propaganda. How do his talking points differ from CNN?
    So he basically agrees with Ron Paul. As does Mike Scherer and a few other ex-CIA agents in our ranks. You are suddenly convinced that they were honest from 2007 - 2016, but they're lying now....because Trump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    So he basically agrees with Ron Paul. As does Mike Scherer and a few other ex-CIA agents in our ranks. You are suddenly convinced that they were honest from 2007 - 2016, but they're lying now....because Trump?
    Uh, that's not what I said.
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    I've been reading this forum for over a decade. The SwordSmyth account is one of the most bewildering things I've ever seen in the internet. Almost without fail he seizes and redirects almost every single thread I come across, regardless of subforum, regardless of topic, regardless of day or time. It makes things unreadable at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Have you ever heard of a cover?

    There is no such thing as an ex-CIA operative.

    This is like watching the Demoncrats suddenly discover a new found love of the CIA and FBI.
    Bull $#@!.

    In addition to Angela citing Giraldi, Michael Scheuer and Ray McGovern have an impeccable track record at exposing the real innerworkings of the CIA.

    Who the hell should we listen to?
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCifelli1 View Post
    I've been reading this forum for over a decade. The SwordSmyth account is one of the most bewildering things I've ever seen in the internet. Almost without fail he seizes and redirects almost every single thread I come across, regardless of subforum, regardless of topic, regardless of day or time. It makes things unreadable at times.
    Yep.....

    If we had a few of the mods from around 2012 back he would have already had a temp and perma ban.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Who the hell should we listen to?

    A random spook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCifelli1 View Post
    I've been reading this forum for over a decade. The SwordSmyth account is one of the most bewildering things I've ever seen in the internet. Almost without fail he seizes and redirects almost every single thread I come across, regardless of subforum, regardless of topic, regardless of day or time. It makes things unreadable at times.
    Maybe one of these days @Bryan will tell us how much it costs a "supporting member" to have carte blanche to destroy a forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Maybe one of these days @Bryan will tell us how much it costs a "supporting member" to have carte blanche to destroy a forum.
    the guy averages over 40 posts a day and posts nothing besides Trump defenses and conspiracy theories about nuclear weapons being dropped on pedophile deep staters living underneath the ground in California that caused 7.1 magnitude earthquakes. He is a very valuable member of the forum

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    He's proven himself to not be antiwar like he promised, but he hasn't been as bad as I expected.

    Unless he changes his direction on this quickly, there's no sane way to defend Trump here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Everyone who criticizes Trump is a Deep State operative.

    Every event which makes Trump look bad is a false flag by the Deep State.

    Every bad act by Trump is a cunning plan to do the opposite.

    Only random people on youtube who agree with me know the truth.

    That's pretty much it. I see that they got to you.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCifelli1 View Post
    I've been reading this forum for over a decade. The SwordSmyth account is one of the most bewildering things I've ever seen in the internet. Almost without fail he seizes and redirects almost every single thread I come across, regardless of subforum, regardless of topic, regardless of day or time. It makes things unreadable at times.
    The account started going hard in 2016 - not a coincidence. A total disinformation spewer in every thread. Things add up.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    The account started going hard in 2016 - not a coincidence. A total disinformation spewer in every thread. Things add up.
    They added up a long time ago.
    "The Patriarch"



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