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Where do I START with the campaign. Maybe not all his personal mistakes, but his silence and allowance of it are enough for me.
I'll start with the fact he said he would stay in the race as long as there was support. When he dropped out his support was GROWING - confused, the delegates still scrambled for a solution and at that point, Dr. Paul, the champion of getting involved with the political party system, abandoned all of the delegates who worked so hard to support him.
He betrayed his cause then and he did it again in TX.
Maybe its because it hasn't yet happened to you.
Fusion centers became real to me when I was profiled by one.
The abuse of the Paul Machine became real to me when I was stabbed in the back @ the RNC.
Texans likely feel the same. Alaskans, too.
My father use to call the white house on a daily basis asking for the president. I guarentee you they have a file on me, I guarentee they have a file on everyone. I don't have to ask, I don't need to be told why certain things happen. We're all surrounded. Just because someone is not wearing a uniform when they appoach you, it doesn't take much to realize why they were sent.
You thought it would go down differently? Welcome to politics. You've got to stand with your people and keep them from wondering otherwise you will get stabbed in the back. This was your fault not anyone elses. You don't realize it, but stick around it will all make sense at some point.The abuse of the Paul Machine became real to me when I was stabbed in the back @ the RNC.
You were doing better when you were speaking for yourself.Texans likely feel the same. Alaskans, too.
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Libertarians - trying to improve the world through ideas and free markets rather than legislation and prisons.
Truth. It's a lot to bear, being a leader. I am not saying Ron Paul is a traitor, I'm just saying I agree with Catherine on this.
I am so tired of your criticism and snarkiness. If you're such a great leader step forward and show us how it's done.
I am hearing you loud and clear.
LE doesn't like to hear dissent about anything. It's pretty pathetic that she's a mod and has to be reminded to "keep above the fray".
What the fack are YOU doing, LE. Damnit I am so sick of you claiming the moral high ground when there are people busting their asses out there every day. You are something else. Something else entirely.
Amen to that. All the good that C4L does is done locally.
This is why I appreciate you so much. Make sure to look me up if and when VT is on your fusion center list. I know where it is. Our VT C4L group has had many a long conversation about the fc's. Would love to have you share what you know with us. Between Stewart (cc2009 delegate, I think you know him) and I, we can set you up.
Why do you keep repeating this phrase, "party over principle", when it is so obvious that he has not made these arrangements for the sake of the party?
HOW do Ron Paul's actions advance the Republican Party at the expense of liberty?
WHAT principle has Ron Paul violated?
If you really want to stone him for something, stone him for the sin of lying to the Republicans he's pretending to endorse.
What's ironic here is that the video that sparked this discussion (and I assume Catherine's Facebook post) is a huge risk to Ron Paul's standing within the party. The secret that Ron Paul does not actually support the candidates he endorses is out to the general public who couldn't deduce it before. I'd be surprised if this video does not appear in an attack ad against him from the very party you're accusing him of advancing.
Edit: And please, people, can we learn the difference between principals and principles, at least just for this thread?
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Thank you Ron Paul for doing what you have to do to Continue to fight the Federal Reserve and Big Government.
Forgive these politically ignorant people.
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"Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister
As I said before, LLS, whether one busts their ass or not, really doesn't have a whole lot to do with it, does it? It's whether what the person does is constructive towards getting this country turned around.
I sat here while Catherine called Dr. Paul a traitor once; the second time was way over the line.
The fact that you have no problem with it, is enlightening, indeed.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
we do well here in louisiana. as you can see, part of my activities here do not include calling Ron a traitor and creating echoes like this thread.
Though i do see a similiarity between you and the person you are sticking up for-
and you have the same value. nothing beneficial.
rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler
I repeat it because he is chosing to support the party incumbents instead of principled candidates that = party > principle....
Also, I am a very poor speller, I have been my entire life, I have taken through differential equations in mathematics, but cannot spell. I'm doing the best I can and you condescension and negativity wearing me thin.
Can we start talking about fusion centers now? Maybe actual strategies we can take the change things? Why the hell has Catherine Bleish become the topic of discussion here - I'm not the one sending out mailer asking folks to support a bail out voting patriot act supporting tyrant who helped create this problem......
We have come all this way for little issues like this to fracture us. Lovely isnt it? I guess some people didnt take Ron Paul seriously when he said WE NEED TO WORK WITHING THE GOP. Is it Ron Pauls fault Texans didnt get their acts together and replace their neo-con Republicans with Liberty Republicans? That shows failure for the leaders of the liberty movement in Texas. And after reading this thread, I realized why some of them failed.
I have your back Catherine. I get into this debate here all the time, so I know what its like. The pragmatists vs the highly principled. We are not fracturing the movement by being principled, the wafflers are. That's my take on that.
Keep up the good work. Besides, when I see the minarchists start actually living their words like us anarchists, then maybe I'll be a little more impressed. I don't see any minarchists even attempting anything like the Keeniacs.
School of Salamanca - School of Austrian Economics - Liberty, Private Property, Free-Markets, Voluntaryist, Agorist. le monde va de lui même
"No man hath power over my rights and liberties, and I over no mans [sic]."
What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.
www.mises.org
www.antiwar.com
An Arrow Against all Tyrants - Richard Overton vis. 1646 (Required reading!)
CatherineBleish is the traitor not RP.
War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.
Glad to have some support lol - I'm literally out in the trenches fighting the man and people would rather talk about my opinion of Dr. Paul than look into who I am or what I am doing and how they can get out on the streets and help. So silly.
And if people think this is fracturing - then we were never really united. We should be rallying around FREEDOM not a man!
School of Salamanca - School of Austrian Economics - Liberty, Private Property, Free-Markets, Voluntaryist, Agorist. le monde va de lui même
"No man hath power over my rights and liberties, and I over no mans [sic]."
What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.
www.mises.org
www.antiwar.com
An Arrow Against all Tyrants - Richard Overton vis. 1646 (Required reading!)
Some articles about Fusion Centers.
My Trip to a DHS Fusion Center...and How I Lived to Talk About It
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/4736
Profiling and Criminalizing Political Dissent
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....s/politics/911
Do You Fit the Terrorist Profile?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....s/politics/934
New DHS Domestic Terrorism Report Targets Millions of Americans
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index..../politics/1006
Homeland Security: Everyone's a Threat
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index..../politics/1053
More Extremism from Obama's DHS
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index..../politics/1091
Fusion Centers and Freedom
http://www.jbs.org/us-constitution-blog/4685
What Will DHS "Fusion Centers" Mean for Local Police?
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/380...r-local-police
Missouri Information Analysis Center report demonstrates need for local control of police departments
http://www.jbs.org/press-room/4648
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"Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister
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