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    Thumbs down ATF Admits It Lacks Authority To Ban Bump Stocks

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    Congress has not prohibited bump stocks, but the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) has made them illegal with a Final Rule issued without statutory authority. In a noteworthy development, ATF’s latest court filing admits that it lacked rulemaking authority under the Gun Control Act and National Firearms Act to issue a legislative rule. ATF thus now agrees with NCLA that the district court below was wrong on this point of law.The New Civil Liberties Alliance has filed a brief on behalf of client Clark Aposhian, asking the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit to reject ATF’s remaining defenses of the Final Rule, restore Mr. Aposhian’s constitutional rights, and grant him a preliminary injunction to possess his lawfully acquired property. Specifically, NCLA argues that ATF’s interpretation is not the best reading of the statute and that the Court of Appeals cannot properly invoke the Chevron judicial deference doctrine to defer to ATF’s interpretation.
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    The ban will be overturned. it was always going to be, BATFE had already determined it couldn't outlaw bumpstocks on its own.
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    When the US was a free country, Americans did everything voluntarily and had personal responsibility.


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    Amatures are being confused by the semantics, the ATF is not making a new legislative rule, they are enforcing current legislative rule present in current laws. Congress banned machine guns in 1934. Bump stock device = machine gun.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Amatures are being confused by the semantics, the ATF is not making a new legislative rule, they are enforcing current legislative rule present in current laws. Congress banned machine guns in 1934. Bump stock device = machine gun.
    NO.
    According to the definition in the law a bumpstock equipped semi-auto is NOT a machine gun.

    BATFE has no authority to ban them and it has said so, eventually the ban will be overturned.
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    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Amatures [sic] are being confused by the semantics, the ATF MAGA is not making a new legislative rule, they are enforcing current legislative rule present in current laws. Congress banned machine guns in 1934. Bump stock device = machine gun.
    Fixed.

    It's still a false claim, since the redefining of "machine gun" (machine guns aren't banned, btw) to include bump stocks is new, and is contrary to current legislation. But at least now it's accurate as to who the bad actor is.



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