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LOL..... Completely untrue. The reason Trump won is because he ran a populist campaign, the Republican brand was completely dead.
Rand would have had a good shot because he didn't represent the Republican brand. Cruz and Bush would have been completely slaughtered, Rubio too.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Are there any restrictions you'd like to see the government place on the rights and liberties of women and minorities in order to increase your liberties?
Why wouldn't the government be justified in sterilizing minorities and subsidizing the abortion of girls if through a utilitarian argument you could insist that the through those policies, the gross liberty of the rest of us is increased?
I don't expect you to value the liberties of others more than your own. But I don't expect it's too much to ask that you value the principal of liberty more than your individual freedom.
Last edited by axiomata; 04-13-2018 at 03:05 PM.
Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,--
Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
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Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
Short Income Tax Video
The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,--
Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
Pfizer Macht Frei!
Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.
Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
Short Income Tax Video
The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,--
Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
You just can't control yourself. Can you?
JWK
The unavoidable truth is, our social democrat political leaders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Freedom will never be popular if we allow hordes of socialists to hijack our culture and politics.
The best way to make freedom popular is to enact it so that people everywhere can see it's fruits, that will be hard enough to do because of statist Americans, letting them send for reinforcements won't help.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
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The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
I don't think so. We disagree on whether citizens should have nukes, governments should have nukes, or both should have nukes.
The only other thing I can think of is that you wouldn't support my transporting an illegal alien across public property to my private property. Am I wrong about that?
Totally agree about the platform. Nobody reads the platform and it certainly doesn't get implemented. Leadership rhetoric (except for Rand Paul) and even grassroots rhetoric are the public face of the Republican party.
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
I had a much lengthier and thought-out post but lost it due to some 'security token error' when submitting.
I'm gonna pull this example out again simply because the issue is a hot topic in the country today, and relatable:
Just 14% of foreign-born Hispanics support the right to keep and bear arms.
14%. That's beyond pathetic.
Now, you might want to dance around the fact that this is a pretty significant difference in demographics, possibly for fear of being labeled a racist like the rest of us are, constantly, both outright and underhanded, whenever we point to the 800lb gorilla in the room. But, I've always been one to call a spade a spade, and it's pretty obvious to me that this is more than a "marketing issue." It's a life-experience issue. You grow up cared for by the state, you will tend to love the state. Background counts for a lot and as far as I can see, no one is standing at the border vetting political beliefs before letting every Tom, Dick, and Harry into the country.
Someone who has just hitched rides in closed boxcars and trekked across deserts, jungles, and slums to get here from impoverished Latin American countries is more likely to steal your canteen than sit down at the border in the middle of the Sonoran Desert and have a nice logical chat about the philosophy of liberty before coming in.
But, if you don't believe me, go stand in the checkout line at Dollar General and every time someone whips out an EBT card to buy the family sized bag of Cheetos and a case of Coca Colas, be sure to inform them that liberty is more important than free lunch and hand out a few flyers for the libertarian candidate of your choice. Those people aren't nearly as desperate for basic necessities as those who would ride in the back of 130 degree cargo trucks to try to get to America and you still can't sell liberty to them at a rate fast enough to tip the scales. But I trust it will be no challenge for a marketing guru such as yourself to win over those voters for the cause. That is, if the issue is marketing, and not the product being marketed itself.
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 04-13-2018 at 04:03 PM.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
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Originally Posted by Philhelm
I don't think citizens should have nukes because of many problems of possessing them. Safe storage being one of them. If one is misused, mishandled or accidentally detonates, the effects would kill me. Government, I wish they didn't have them, but don't know how we can reverse that clock. Already out of the bag.
No, but that is a "gotcha question."
How will you guarantee me my property will not be stolen by your actions?
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The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
@axiomata please note that AF intends these restrictions to apply to whites and men who fall into the designated categories.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
No voting for anybody but land-owning men over the age of 40 w/families. Seriously.
All bills proposing new laws must be unanimously approved or the sponsors are executed. Then after a period of three years, the law is sunset, and must be voted on again, for it to become law for seven years extra. After that, the law is sunset again. A law can only become so three times.
Last edited by Raginfridus; 04-13-2018 at 04:52 PM.
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Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
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The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Pfizer Macht Frei!
Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.
Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
Short Income Tax Video
The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
I think more to the point is the question of allowing foreigners to enter our country without any regulations designed to preserve the general welfare of the United States.
JWK
There was a time not too long ago in New York when able-bodied people were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now there is an infestation of ticks and fleas who not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs, sex and Lotto tickets.
Good question. Utopias are hard. This was explained to me in a way that made sense by an expat on yootoob some years ago. He used goegraphy a lot; can't think of his channel's name, and none of his videos appear in my history or likes, so I wonder if he wasn't scrapped. If you want a demotist government, the best form is one restricted to the least amount of people, with the most skin in the game, should the country fail or better yet, prosper. It wasn't about making heaven on earth, but what government could thrive the longest where. So i guess he wasn't very utopian. Which is why I gave him 2 hours of my time once.
Last edited by Raginfridus; 04-13-2018 at 05:16 PM.
Arrrghh! Another out-of-context Stephchart!
Read your own chart. It nearly triples for US Born Hispanics. This is despite their immigrant moms and dads (supposedly) hammering them to grab all the guns from gringo. Why is that? Marketing maybe? or maybe so they can shoot Republicans? I don't know.
FYI, I don't give a crap about statistics anyhow. Pew studies have become the New Testament of race realists and neocons alike. But lets look at the stupid Pew reports -
60% of conservatives favor gun rights but with some limits on gun ownership. In other words, conservatives are by and large for gun control. Meanwhile, 64% of liberals say they support gun control but that most people should still be able to own guns, within limits.
What in the world is the difference? (Strangely I found out that nearly everybody in this thread believes in a more infringed second amendment than I do.)
The survey you're talking about "asked U.S. adults what is more important — protecting the right of Americans to own guns or controlling gun ownership."
This is a stupid, dumb, idiotic phrasing of the question that doesn't make any sense in English. Who knows how it translates in the field? No matter which way they answered, this doesn't indicate that even ONE PERSON actually said they don't "support the right to keep and bear arms."
Your assertion that a first generation immigrant is likely to wind up on the wrong side of the Nolan Chart makes my point about marketing. Even before they get here, they know who's for them and who's against them. When Republicans act like they like Hispanics again (and it helps if you actually do like them), that will start to change.
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
Pfizer Macht Frei!
Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.
Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
Short Income Tax Video
The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
"US born Hispanics" includes those whose families have lived here for centuries, it isn't just children of immigrants, even if it was they are below the average and below 50/50, we are having enough trouble from US citizens in general, we don't need more people with worse politics.
Last edited by Swordsmyth; 04-13-2018 at 06:19 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Well, I'd get cracking with the liberty classes. You may not put much stock in the stats, but if you're wrong you've got 82 people voting against you versus 14 who aren't. Best start winning people over.
Forget the immigration for a moment and go try that Dollar General EBT experiment I mentioned. It shouldn't be too hard to conduct. If the dollar stores in your area are anything like mine, there should be no shortage of customers buying things with other people's money.
At best, you will have someone politely, perhaps impatiently listen to your spiel about the fundamental principles of liberty and property ownership, and why wealth redistribution is immoral, and then they'll likely throw your libertarian party campaign flyer in the trash on the way out the checkout line. At worst, you'll have some morbidly obese welfare queen and her herd of ill-disciplined brats run you out of the store.
No cheating. All you can offer them is freedom. No handouts. No pandering. No perks. Tell them that if you can count on their political support, that you will promise not to give them anything tangible in return.
If you can convince one person to cut their EBT card up, you might be on to something.
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 04-13-2018 at 08:09 PM.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
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