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    Patriarch Kyrill replies to Patriarch Bartholomew

    Of particular interest to @fisharmor @TER and @RJB

    “It is Not Too Late to Stop”
    A Sorrowful Reply to Patriarch Bartholomew Concerning His Anti-Canonical Actions in Ukraine

    His Holiness Patriarch Kirill


    In reply to a letter of His Holiness Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople, in which he informed of the “reinstatement” of the Ukrainian schismatics in their “rank,” of the “annulment” of the document which is three hundred years old and indicates the transfer of the Kievan Metropolia to the jurisdiction of the Moscow Patriarchate, of the organization in Kiev of a “local council” of the non-canonical groups admitted to communion, and of the intention to grant “autocephaly” in the next few days to the institution established at this gathering, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia expressed his deep pain, astonishment and indignation over the anti-canonical actions of the Patriarchate of Constantinople.

    HIS HOLINESS BARTHOLOMEW
    PATRIARCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE

    Your Holiness,

    It was with a feeling of great pain, astonishment and indignation that I read your letter in which you informed me of the recent actions of the Church of Constantinople: of admitting to communion the uncanonical communities in Ukraine; of “revoking” the Letter of Patriarch Dionysius IV of Constantinople which had transferred the Kievan Metropolia to the jurisdiction of the Moscow Patriarchate; of organizing in Kiev a “local council” of the uncanonical communities admitted to communion by you; and of intending to give in the next few days the status of an autocephalous Orthodox Church to the institution that you have established. The reunification of the schismatics with the Church would have been a great joy both for Orthodox Christians in Ukraine and for the whole Orthodox world had it occurred in compliance with the rules of canon law, in the spirit of peace and love of Christ. However, the current politicized process of coercive unification is far from the norms and spirit of the holy canons. A great amount of lies has been piled up, and now violence is being inflicted on the true Ukrainian Orthodox Church. This is the same Church of millions of the Ukrainian faithful that you recognized as canonical all the years of your ministry, until very recently. And now you pretend that it does not exist, that there are only some separate dioceses which have returned under your omophorion.

    Your advisers assured you that the episcopate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was ready to endorse the political project of the Kievan authorities, that a considerable number, dozens of the canonical bishops were only waiting for your blessing to secede from their Church. I repeatedly warned you that you were being misled. Now you can see it for yourself.

    Only two out of ninety bishops of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church were present at the so-called “local council” convened by you and chaired by a group of three people – your representative, a self-styled “patriarch” (who now has the title “honorary”), and the secular head of the Ukrainian state. What you call a “local council” was a gathering of schismatics who used the name of the holy Church of Constantinople as a guise. If this is not a legalization of the Ukrainian schism that you publicly promised to prevent, then what is it?

    In your decisions you refer to the will of the Orthodox people of Ukraine who allegedly ask the Church of Constantinople to interfere. Yet, it was the will of the overwhelming majority of the clergy and laity, the true Church people of Ukraine, that impelled the episcopate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church to not respond to your invitations and to refuse to participate in the so-called “unification council” of the Ukrainian schism.

    Out of the two bishops of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church whom you received into your jurisdiction in violation of the canons, only one was a diocesan hierarch. Yet, the clergy and the flock of his diocese did not accept his actions. After Metropolitan Simeon had been lawfully suspended from serving by the Synod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, all monasteries in the Vinnitsa Diocese and the vast majority of parishes together with their clergy remained subordinate to the new canonical hierarch, Archbishop Barsanuphius of Vinnitsa and Bar. Local authorities are now exerting pressure on the diocesan clergy, threatening to punish them, but the clerics, monastics, and laypeople do not want to be in communion with a bishop who betrayed them and the Church.

    Metropolitan Alexander, whom you mentioned and who was also suspended from serving by the Synod in Kiev, had only one church. A conflict occurred in his community, and the majority of this church’s clergy avoided concelebrating with the hierarch who had fallen away.
    The principled decision of the hierarchs of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church to refuse to take part in the false council convened by you was caused not by some mythical “pressure from Moscow,” which would be impossible anyway in this political situation, but by the unity of the archpastors with their clergy and faithful. This unity cannot be jeopardized either by the gross interference of the Ukrainian authorities in the internal life of the Church or by the pressure on the Church exerted by the state and greatly increased in recent months. This unity cannot be revoked with a stroke of the pen.

    In your letter you are trying to reinterpret the meaning of the complex of documents signed in 1686 by your predecessor Patriarch Dionysius IV and the Holy Synod of the Church of Constantinople. The matter of these historical documents caused no disagreements between our two Churches for hundreds of years. And now you say that you “revoke” the Patriarchal and Synodal Letter, because “outward circumstances have changed.”

    I suggested holding talks on this issue with the participation of authoritative historians, theologians and experts in the ecclesiastical canon law. You refused, alleging lack of time. I can only express my regret that your decisions, devastating for the unity of the Church, depend so much on “outward,” that is political, circumstances, about which you have no scruples of openly telling me.

    In your letter you once again repeat rather the disputable assertions that the Church of Constantinople has the “exceptional responsibility to grant autocephaly” and to consider appeals from other Local Churches in accordance with the “spiritual meaning” of Canons 9 and 17 of the Council of Chalcedon. Yet, your interpretation of your alleged rights has never had Church-wide acceptance. A considerable number of objections stated by authoritative commentators on canon law speak against your understanding of the rights of the Throne of Constantinople to consider appeals. Thus, the outstanding Byzantine canonist, John Zonaras, writes, “The [Patriarch] of Constantinople is recognized as judge not over all the metropolitans but only those who are subordinate to him. For neither metropolitans of Syria, nor those of Palestine or Phoenicia or Egypt are summoned to his judgement against their will, but those of Syria are to be judged by the Patriarch of Antioch, those of Palestine by that of Jerusalem, while the Egyptian ones are judged by that of Alexandria who ordains them and to whom they are subordinate.” Neither do the present-day Local Orthodox Churches recognize that you have such a privilege.

    However, unlawfully assuming such a right, in this case you did not even bother to conform to the existing canonical norms defining the actions of a party that recieves an appeal.

    It is widely known that Mikhail Denisenko continued to serve after Church punishments had been administered to him and he had been excommunicated. Thus he deprived himself of the right to appeal and, according to the basic norms of canon law, condemned himself. You expressed your consent with Denisenko being defrocked, though by that time you had received his first appeal. In your letter to Patriarch Alexei II of Moscow and All Russia of August 31, 1992 you wrote, “Our Holy Great Church of Christ, recognizing the fullness of the Russian Orthodox Church’s exclusive competence on this issue, synodally accepts the decisions regarding the one in question, not desiring to bring any trouble to Your Church.”

    The Holy Synod of the Church of Constantinople did not take into consideration the numerous problems of canonical succession and moral character of the “hierarchs” admitted to communion, despite the fact that earlier the Church of Constantinople had recognized the importance of resolving these matters for healing the Ukrainian schism and had received all the necessary information during negotiations between our Churches’ delegations.

    The fact that by the decision of your Synod Makary Maletich was “restored” to the episcopal rank shows with what haste and rashness the appeals of the Ukrainian schismatics were being considered. In your official Patriarchal letters, you call him “former Metropolitan of Lvov” and in this capacity he attended the so-called “unification council.”

    Meanwhile, Makary Maletich lapsed into schism while being a priest of the canonical Church, never having canonical episcopal consecration. His “consecration” as well as the “consecrations” of the most part of “bishops” of the so-called “Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church” admitted to communion by the Church of Constantinople date back through his predecessors to one defrocked bishop who had committed these acts together with the imposter Viktor Chekalin, a former deacon of the Russian Orthodox Church who was never even ordained priest.

    Reception of such persons into communion with the Church without consideration of the mentioned circumstances undermines canonical succession of consecrations and will have hard destructive consequences for the entirety of world Orthodoxy.

    For centuries the Russian Church has been thankful to the holy Church of Constantinople for its contribution to the formation of world Orthodoxy, for its role in the Christian enlightenment of the heathen Rus’, and its help in developing the traditions of monasticism and religious education. At present our faithful both in Ukraine and in other countries experience bitter disappointment because the historical Mother Church does not hear their voices.

    Hundreds of thousands of letters from the believers in Ukraine in support of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and with requests not to undermine its unity have been brought to your residence. The Ukrainian authorities tried to hinder the delivery, while you have ignored these letters. And now you do not want to hear the voice of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church which stands on the verge of new ordeals.

    Even now the archpastors and clerics in Ukraine are being summoned to questioning on far-fetched pretexts and blackmailed, their near and dear are being threatened, searches are being conducted in churches and homes, pressure is being brought to bear on families, including children. Recently a law has come into force with the aim of depriving the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of its name in order to carry out the violent seizure of its church buildings under the guise of a “voluntary transfer of communities.” Is this the kind of unification of Orthodox Christians in Ukraine you envisage?

    I spoke with you about the Church of Constantinople's plans in private and in the presence of a few witnesses. Now, when these plans have been largely realized I appeal to you before the entire Orthodox Church maybe for the last time. Doing so, I am guided by the commandment of our Lord Jesus Christ: If thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone… But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but is he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican (Mt. 18:15-17).

    The Diptych of Their Holinesses the Patriarchs of Constantinople includes dozens of names of great theologians, zealots, and teachers of piety. Sts. Gregory the Theologian, Proclus, Flavian the Confessor, John IV the Faster, Tarasius, Methodius, Photius, and many others have brought glory to the holy Church of Constantinople by their ministry.

    However, there were also those who dishonored it. Do not enter your as-yet respected name into the same list as such infamous bishops of Constantinople as Nestorius, the iconoclasts Anastasios, John VII and Theodotos, and the Uniates Joseph II, Metrophanes II Mitrofonos, and Gregorios III Mammas. Retreat now from communion with the schismatics and refrain from participating in the political gamble of their legalization. Then the genuine Orthodox Church of Ukraine led by His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry of Kiev and All Ukraine will bless you, and history will keep your memory among those heads of the Throne of Constantinople who under the most difficult political conditions had managed not to demean the Church but to preserve its unity.

    Yet, if you will act in keeping with the intentions enunciated in your letter, you will forever lose the opportunity to serve for the unity of the holy Churches of God, will cease being the First in the Orthodox world which numbers hundreds of millions of believers, and the sufferings that you have inflicted upon Orthodox Ukrainians will follow you to the Last Judgment of our Lord Who judges all people impartially and will testify against you before Him.

    I pray with all my heart that this will not happen. It is not too late to stop.
    + KIRILL
    PATRIARCH OF MOSCOW AND ALL RUSSIA
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    Every reason I've heard for his actions was only a supposition, and every one is hardly valid.
    I hate situations like this, where you know he knows what he's doing, you know he knows how much pain he's causing everyone, you know he knows nothing good is coming from it, and yet he keeps doing it.
    It leaves one with the rather uncomfortable task of coming to some inevitable conclusions about the character of a sitting patriarch.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    A very sad situation indeed. Much prayer is needed.
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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    A very sad situation indeed. Much prayer is needed.
    Things like this are why the whole "equal bishops" idea NEVER, EVER worked in real life..
    and yet another example of why Catholics are right about everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Things like this are why the whole "equal bishops" idea NEVER, EVER worked in real life..
    and yet another example of why Catholics are right about everything.
    Things like this are exactly why the Christian Church is synodical and why the Catholics are wrong, so that when one hierarch/patriarch goes bad, the rest can prevent him from courrupting the rest of the Church.

    The major troubles in the Orthodox Church are ecclesiological, and she will overcome, as she always has.

    The major troubles in the Catholic Church are spiritual with the widespread pedophilia, coverups and corruption. The two do not come even close to comparing and has already led to throngs of people leaving that church because of it in the past few decades. The Catholic Pope has only added fuel to that fire.

    There hasn’t been a ‘Reformation’ in the Orthodox Church. We are currently witnessing another one occurring in the Catholic Church. And it is precisely because of the Papal structure of the Roman Catholic Church that such reformations happen.
    Last edited by TER; 01-19-2019 at 05:41 PM.
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    But you are right that such noble ideas of ‘equal bishops’ is very difficult to achieve in this world which is marked by sin, nevertheless it is the perfection we must strive for and can only be achieved with humility, love and forgiveness through the Holy Spirit of God.
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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

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    For the ordained, and particularly the Bishops, their equality is in their servitude to Christ

    This does not diminish the individual gifts to them before God,as some are great examples of patience and charity, others with firm and zealous faith, others with great discernment and prophecy. These are all gifts of the One God in Holy Spirit, the same energy of God which strengthens those who have given their life to the service of Christ.

    The synodical way is the godly way, in the image of the Holy Trinity.
    Last edited by TER; 01-19-2019 at 06:02 PM.
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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ



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