Kanye West Hospitalized After Controversial Comments

[jmdrake]

Ya, I know, I come from the "$#@! the police" millennial school of thought.. and he was right about the fake news media trying to fool everybody about Trump.

You mean the fake news like the bimbos on Fox who are praising Trump's needless military buildup?

See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6621588

The fake news praising Trump for bombing Syria over what is an obvious false flag?

The fake news that is on board with Trump trying to ban bumpfire stocks by executive order?

The fake news that ignores that Trump and Clinton were buddies with billionaire pedophile Jeff Epstein?

The fake news that ignores Trump installing face scanning cameras by executive order?

That fake news?

[jmdrake]

What a bunch of horse $#@!. Did you even listen to why he likes Trump? He hates the Democrats because they blame all of black people's problems on white people.. You see, they put out the narrative that black people had their resources stolen from Africa, their labor stolen through slavery and then discriminated against and through their oppression and only through that oppression white people were able to become wealthy.. and if white people weren't such horrible people, then black people would be rich too because of all the wealth that was stolen from them.

Kanye believes that black people need to stop focusing on racism and focus on themselves and improve themselves to they can become better and more prosperous. The opportunities for them are there. Focusing on racism and believing that they are owed something by white people is actually harming them.

It's really that simple, and he is absolutely correct.

Except....resources were stolen from Africa...labor was stolen through slavery....and oppression is still going on.





I agree that socialism is not the solution to problems in the black community, but it's asinine to pretend that there has not been a systematic government sponsored racist cause. The police force, that's really oppressing everybody, began as a way to catch runaway slaves. The drug laws are aimed at blacks and, sadly, many black leaders went along with it. Same with gun control. Ronald Reagan loved gun control as a governor because he wanted guns taken from the black panthers. You don't have to deny that problems exist in order to find real solutions. When Booker T. Washington was pushing economic development on the front end, he was secretly funding lawsuits against Jim Crowe laws on the back end. My personal opinion of Candace Owens is....she's got some growing and learning to do. I remember when Tony Brown of Tony Brown's Journal fame openly quit the democratic party and joined the Republican party back in the 1980s. But he eventually left the Republican party because of all of the racism and patronizing of blacks he saw. I fully concur with Tony Brown. The Democrats suck. The Republicans blow. Violent crime in this country is at a 20 year low, the black teenage birth rate has been steadily declining for the past 20 years, and yet, for no explicable reason, police shootings are at record highs. I would like Candace Owens to explain to the parents of Tamir Rice why it was okay for him to be gunned down for playing with a BB gun. I would like her to explain why the 911 operator is not in prison for taking a call where an idiot white woman decided that a kid playing with what was probably a toy gun was a reason to call the police in the first place and then the 911 operator lied to her fellow officers and said "Active shooter." I would like Ms. Owens to explain to the family of Eric Garner how it is that an officer could put Mr. Garner in a choke hold that went against NYPD policy, and the coroner could label his death a homicide, and yet nobody went to prison. It's not like we don't know who did the homicide. I would like Ms. Owens to explain how a flash bang grenade can be thrown into a child's crib and blow a hole in his chest and nobody goes to prison. I would like Ms. Owens to explain how police can bust into a house guns blazing looking for a suspect who's not there, kill a 7 year old girl and nobody goes to prison. I would like Ms. Owens to explain how Freddie Gray can be alive when he is put in the back of a police van, dead when the ride is over, and nobody goes to prison. I would like Ms. Owens to explain how an officer can pull over Philando Castille, Mr. Castille tells him "I am a concealed carry holder", Mr. Castille is told go get his wallet, Mr. Castille reaches for his wallet, the officer says "Don't reach for that gun", Mr. Castille says "I'm not reaching for a gun", the officer kills him anyway, and the officer gets off on the lame excuse that he was "in fear of his life" even though his partner was not afraid.

We shall see if the black Somali immigrant officer who killed the blonde haired, blue eyed white woman from Australia gets off. He might. He's got the same "I was afraid" excuse. And in this case his partner was also afraid. And yes, there have been other whites murdered by police. Kelly Thomas comes immediately to mind. The teenager on his way home from the church basketball game also comes to mind. And the homeless guy that got shot on video for no apparent reason. However that doesn't take away from the racist origins of the police force. As Tony Brown used to say "Blacks are the canary in the coal mind. Whites should pay attention. What happens to blacks will ultimately happen to them." I have lived to see that with the mostly black crack epidemic morphing into the mostly white meth epidemic and now the mostly white opioid crisis. More and more whites are being abused by police. Abortion was originally aimed at blacks and its affecting the white community now. The pit you dig for someone else you often fall into it yourself.

[dannno]

Except....

You're missing the point.. Every narrative has SOME amount of truth to it, but it is still mostly based on lies and the conclusion is totally wrong.. but let's take a look at a couple of these you mention.

resources were stolen from Africa

I would argue they were mostly harvested from Africa. If Africans were harvesting it themselves and selling it, we would have just bought it from them. But we brought the equipment, tools, resources and know-how to harvest resources in Africa that were not being utilized by the local population. In some cases they may have even purchased the land, in other cases it may have been largely empty, and in some cases they may have used less than honorable means to acquire the land. This is a complicated topic, do you nationalize these industries to benefit the local population or do you just let the free market take over? In a free market, would a white person not be allowed to go to Africa and harvest resources on land that they acquire legitimately?

But what you really miss is the conclusion - black people in Africa would have been rich and wealthy instead if we didn't harvest the resources in Africa. Do you believe that?

...labor was stolen through slavery....

Not by anybody alive today, and it didn't benefit anybody alive today. The industrial revolution would have happened sooner if we got rid of slavery sooner, we were all being held back by that wretched institution.

and oppression is still going on.

LOL, ya, white people are being oppressed as much or more through taxation (which is ironically, slavery), black people are being oppressed through their addiction to state welfare.

I'll bet if you counted up the number of hours black slaves worked for white people during slavery, and counted up the number of hours white people have slaved away in taxes for black people on welfare, most people would be pretty surprised at the results.

[Anti-Neocon]

It figures that a Trumpkin would make a comparison between involuntary slavery and voluntary paid labor. It's like the freedom part of the issue doesn't even register in that kind of brain.

[jmdrake]

You're missing the point.. Every narrative has SOME amount of truth to it, but it is still mostly based on lies and the conclusion is totally wrong.. but let's take a look at a couple of these you mention.

I would argue they were mostly harvested from Africa. If Africans were harvesting it themselves and selling it, we would have just bought it from them. But we brought the equipment, tools, resources and know-how to harvest resources in Africa that were not being utilized by the local population. In some cases they may have even purchased the land, in other cases it may have been largely empty, and in some cases they may have used less than honorable means to acquire the land. This is a complicated topic, do you nationalize these industries to benefit the local population or do you just let the free market take over? In a free market, would a white person not be allowed to go to Africa and harvest resources on land that they acquire legitimately?

WTF? Slaves were "harvested?" Mate you are about as dumb as a box of rocks.

But what you really miss is the conclusion - black people in Africa would have been rich and wealthy instead if we didn't harvest the resources in Africa. Do you believe that?

1) Straw man argument. I never said who would or would not be richer.

2) Some most certainly would have.

3) Haiti, which was originally a slave colony, wouldn't be broke of they hadn't paid France gold reparations for the revolution that gained their freedom.

4) Black would probably be better off if Britain had won the revolutionary war. Slavely ended sooner in British colonies and black GDP in places like the Bahamas are higher than in the U.S. That doesn't mean I wish the U.S. had lost the revolutionary war.

Really your whole argument is retarded.

Not by anybody alive today, and it didn't benefit anybody alive today. The industrial revolution would have happened sooner if we got rid of slavery sooner, we were all being held back by that wretched institution.

Dannno you are a pyromaniac in a field of strawman. I never said that YOU stole black labor so get off your high horse! Yes ending slavery was good for everyone. I often say to idiots who still want to be butt hurt over the union kicking the south's collective butts in the civil war that the end of slavery was good for the south. That has NOTHING to do with anything I said.

LOL, ya, white people are being oppressed as much or more through taxation (which is ironically, slavery), black people are being oppressed through their addiction to state welfare.

More strawman bull$#@! that has nothing to do with anything I said.

I'll bet if you counted up the number of hours black slaves worked for white people during slavery, and counted up the number of hours white people have slaved away in taxes for black people on welfare, most people would be pretty surprised at the results.

More strawman bull$#@! that has nothing to do with anything I said.

DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO REPLY TO WHAT I SAID?

I will copy and paste it for you jackass.

What a bunch of horse $#@!. Did you even listen to why he likes Trump? He hates the Democrats because they blame all of black people's problems on white people.. You see, they put out the narrative that black people had their resources stolen from Africa, their labor stolen through slavery and then discriminated against and through their oppression and only through that oppression white people were able to become wealthy.. and if white people weren't such horrible people, then black people would be rich too because of all the wealth that was stolen from them.

Kanye believes that black people need to stop focusing on racism and focus on themselves and improve themselves to they can become better and more prosperous. The opportunities for them are there. Focusing on racism and believing that they are owed something by white people is actually harming them.

It's really that simple, and he is absolutely correct.

Except....resources were stolen from Africa...labor was stolen through slavery....and oppression is still going on.





I agree that socialism is not the solution to problems in the black community, but it's asinine to pretend that there has not been a systematic government sponsored racist cause. The police force, that's really oppressing everybody, began as a way to catch runaway slaves. The drug laws are aimed at blacks and, sadly, many black leaders went along with it. Same with gun control. Ronald Reagan loved gun control as a governor because he wanted guns taken from the black panthers. You don't have to deny that problems exist in order to find real solutions. When Booker T. Washington was pushing economic development on the front end, he was secretly funding lawsuits against Jim Crowe laws on the back end. My personal opinion of Candace Owens is....she's got some growing and learning to do. I remember when Tony Brown of Tony Brown's Journal fame openly quit the democratic party and joined the Republican party back in the 1980s. But he eventually left the Republican party because of all of the racism and patronizing of blacks he saw. I fully concur with Tony Brown. The Democrats suck. The Republicans blow. Violent crime in this country is at a 20 year low, the black teenage birth rate has been steadily declining for the past 20 years, and yet, for no explicable reason, police shootings are at record highs. I would like Candace Owens to explain to the parents of Tamir Rice why it was okay for him to be gunned down for playing with a BB gun. I would like her to explain why the 911 operator is not in prison for taking a call where an idiot white woman decided that a kid playing with what was probably a toy gun was a reason to call the police in the first place and then the 911 operator lied to her fellow officers and said "Active shooter." I would like Ms. Owens to explain to the family of Eric Garner how it is that an officer could put Mr. Garner in a choke hold that went against NYPD policy, and the coroner could label his death a homicide, and yet nobody went to prison. It's not like we don't know who did the homicide. I would like Ms. Owens to explain how a flash bang grenade can be thrown into a child's crib and blow a hole in his chest and nobody goes to prison. I would like Ms. Owens to explain how police can bust into a house guns blazing looking for a suspect who's not there, kill a 7 year old girl and nobody goes to prison. I would like Ms. Owens to explain how Freddie Gray can be alive when he is put in the back of a police van, dead when the ride is over, and nobody goes to prison. I would like Ms. Owens to explain how an officer can pull over Philando Castille, Mr. Castille tells him "I am a concealed carry holder", Mr. Castille is told go get his wallet, Mr. Castille reaches for his wallet, the officer says "Don't reach for that gun", Mr. Castille says "I'm not reaching for a gun", the officer kills him anyway, and the officer gets off on the lame excuse that he was "in fear of his life" even though his partner was not afraid.

We shall see if the black Somali immigrant officer who killed the blonde haired, blue eyed white woman from Australia gets off. He might. He's got the same "I was afraid" excuse. And in this case his partner was also afraid. And yes, there have been other whites murdered by police. Kelly Thomas comes immediately to mind. The teenager on his way home from the church basketball game also comes to mind. And the homeless guy that got shot on video for no apparent reason. However that doesn't take away from the racist origins of the police force. As Tony Brown used to say "Blacks are the canary in the coal mind. Whites should pay attention. What happens to blacks will ultimately happen to them." I have lived to see that with the mostly black crack epidemic morphing into the mostly white meth epidemic and now the mostly white opioid crisis. More and more whites are being abused by police. Abortion was originally aimed at blacks and its affecting the white community now. The pit you dig for someone else you often fall into it yourself.

[Firestarter]

Kanye West is one of the most successful rappers of the 21th century.

Following is one of the biggest hits of his first album; after he had been a successful producer for a couple for years.
Kanye West ft. Syleena Johnson - All falls down (2004)

Oh when it all, it all falls down
I'm telling you oh, it all falls down

I say f*ck the police, that's how I treat em
We buy our way out of jail, but we can't buy freedom
We'll buy a lot of clothes when we don't really need em
Things we buy to cover up what's inside

Cause they make us hate ourself and love they wealth
That's why shortys hollering "where the ballas' at?"
Drug dealer buy Jordans, crackhead buy crack
And a white man get paid off of all of that

[jmdrake]

......

@dannno From the desk of Ron Paul.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...-life-victory/
Planned Parenthood may have abandoned the explicitly racist and eugenic views of its founder Margaret Sanger, but the majority of its abortion "services" are still provided to lower-income and minority women. Every day nearly 2,000 African-American babies lose their lives to abortion, a rate five times higher than the Caucasian abortion rates.

I support the black lives matter movement. I have long advocated an end to the drug war, police militarization, and other threats to liberty that disproportionately victimize African-Americans. However, I wish some of the black lives matter movement’s passion and energy was directed to ending abortion. Unborn black lives also matter.


I fully concur with intelligent conservatives like Dr. Paul and unlike yourself, Kanye West or Ms. Owens.

[dannno]

WTF? Slaves were "harvested?" Mate you are about as dumb as a box of rocks.

I am reading your posts, but you are clearly responding to mine before reading them..

The quote I was responding to there was about resources being stolen from Africa, not slaves. I responded to the slavery argument in length after the next quote and clearly you didn't even get there. Please slow down and read my posts before responding. You are doing exactly what you accused me of..

[dannno]

@dannno From the desk of Ron Paul.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...-life-victory/
Planned Parenthood may have abandoned the explicitly racist and eugenic views of its founder Margaret Sanger, but the majority of its abortion "services" are still provided to lower-income and minority women. Every day nearly 2,000 African-American babies lose their lives to abortion, a rate five times higher than the Caucasian abortion rates.

I support the black lives matter movement. I have long advocated an end to the drug war, police militarization, and other threats to liberty that disproportionately victimize African-Americans. However, I wish some of the black lives matter movement’s passion and energy was directed to ending abortion. Unborn black lives also matter.


I fully concur with intelligent conservatives like Dr. Paul and unlike yourself, Kanye West or Ms. Owens.

Dude, nobody disagrees with that, you are the one missing the point.

[jmdrake]

Dude, nobody disagrees with that, you are the one missing the point.

Liar. You ignored 99% of my post and you have the gall to say I'm missing the point? Go replicate yourself asexually.

[jmdrake]

I am reading your posts, but you are clearly responding to mine before reading them..

You did not at all respond anything I said about police brutality.

The quote I was responding to there was about resources being stolen from Africa, not slaves.

One of the "resources" was human. And you can't go into someone else's country, take millions of their people off in chains, and then say you were just "harvesting" the gold, ivory, copper etc. I tell you what. Let some people break into your house, kidnap you at gunpoint, and then say "We just harvested all of his electronic equipment."

I responded to the slavery argument in length after the next quote and clearly you didn't even get there.

Another lie. I responded to your idiocy about slavery. I said it was a straw man argument as I have long said that ending slavery was good for the south. \

Please slow down and read my posts before responding. You are doing exactly what you accused me of..

Another lie. I did not snip out most of your post. I quoted you word for word as I am doing here. You snipped out 90% of my post liar.

[jmdrake]

Dude, nobody disagrees with that, you are the one missing the point.

It's funny how you claim to not be disagreeing with what you are disagreeing with. Again:

Except....resources were stolen from Africa...labor was stolen through slavery....and oppression is still going on.

Resources, human and otherwise, were stolen from Africa. Anytime you take something without paying for it and it's not a gift, that's theft. That taxation is also theft is non sequitur to the point. Labor was stolen through slavery. That's not even debatable. And oppression is still going on. Hence my quoting Ron Paul.

[dannno]

It's funny how you claim to not be disagreeing with what you are disagreeing with. Again:

Except....resources were stolen from Africa...labor was stolen through slavery....and oppression is still going on.

Resources, human and otherwise, were stolen from Africa. Anytime you take something without paying for it and it's not a gift, that's theft. That taxation is also theft is non sequitur to the point. Labor was stolen through slavery. That's not even debatable. And oppression is still going on. Hence my quoting Ron Paul.

Um, ok, but I responded to all of that already and you have yet to respond to what I said. I'm not going to repeat it, you will have to go back up and read it.

[jmdrake]

Um, ok, but I responded to all of that already and you have yet to respond to what I said. I'm not going to repeat it, you will have to go back up and read it.

You are an absolute liar. I responded to everything you said. You snipped out 90% of what I said. Anyone with half a brain who looks at the posts quotes will see that. I don't mind people disagreeing but I can't stand lies.

Here is an example of something you did not respond to.

We shall see if the black Somali immigrant officer who killed the blonde haired, blue eyed white woman from Australia gets off. He might. He's got the same "I was afraid" excuse. And in this case his partner was also afraid. And yes, there have been other whites murdered by police. Kelly Thomas comes immediately to mind. The teenager on his way home from the church basketball game also comes to mind. And the homeless guy that got shot on video for no apparent reason. However that doesn't take away from the racist origins of the police force. As Tony Brown used to say "Blacks are the canary in the coal mind. Whites should pay attention. What happens to blacks will ultimately happen to them." I have lived to see that with the mostly black crack epidemic morphing into the mostly white meth epidemic and now the mostly white opioid crisis. More and more whites are being abused by police. Abortion was originally aimed at blacks and its affecting the white community now. The pit you dig for someone else you often fall into it yourself.

[juleswin]

Such violent hyperbole.

After all, I have a pic of Che as my avatar

[dannno]

You are an absolute liar. I responded to everything you said.

No you didn't, I went into great detail discussing what happened to Africa's resources, how slavery in the past affects both whites and blacks today and about who is really enslaved today and who is oppressed and you responded to NONE of that. Zero. All you did was say that when I discussed taking resources from Africa that I also meant slaves, which I didn't at all. I was talking about resources, not people. I talked about people later on, and you never responded to that either. I would appreciate a response to what I said if you are going to repeat the talking points I already responded to and then ask me to respond to them again..

[jmdrake]

No you didn't, I went into great detail discussing what happened to Africa's resources, how slavery in the past affects both whites and blacks today and about who is really enslaved today and who is oppressed and you responded to NONE of that.

Yes you did lie and you are still doing it. I copied and pasted part of what I said that you ignored. And I responded to your bull$#@! argument by pointing out that THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING I WAS SAYING! The fact that slavery affects whites and black does NOT have anything to do with my argument.

And again, you did not at all respond to my fact list that I put in about current oppression.

Here it goes again liar. And you will snip it out again because that's just what you do.


We shall see if the black Somali immigrant officer who killed the blonde haired, blue eyed white woman from Australia gets off. He might. He's got the same "I was afraid" excuse. And in this case his partner was also afraid. And yes, there have been other whites murdered by police. Kelly Thomas comes immediately to mind. The teenager on his way home from the church basketball game also comes to mind. And the homeless guy that got shot on video for no apparent reason. However that doesn't take away from the racist origins of the police force. As Tony Brown used to say "Blacks are the canary in the coal mind. Whites should pay attention. What happens to blacks will ultimately happen to them." I have lived to see that with the mostly black crack epidemic morphing into the mostly white meth epidemic and now the mostly white opioid crisis. More and more whites are being abused by police. Abortion was originally aimed at blacks and its affecting the white community now. The pit you dig for someone else you often fall into it yourself.

And that's not even all that I wrote that you did not respond to.

Edit: Your argument is like saying a rapist caught an STD so he suffered too. Ummm....okay.

[dannno]

Yes you did lie and you are still doing it. I copied and pasted part of what I said that you ignored. And I responded to your bull$#@! argument by pointing out that THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING I WAS SAYING! The fact that slavery affects whites and black does NOT have anything to do with my argument.

And again, you did not at all respond to my fact list that I put in about current oppression.

Here it goes again liar. And you will snip it out again because that's just what you do.


We shall see if the black Somali immigrant officer who killed the blonde haired, blue eyed white woman from Australia gets off. He might. He's got the same "I was afraid" excuse. And in this case his partner was also afraid. And yes, there have been other whites murdered by police. Kelly Thomas comes immediately to mind. The teenager on his way home from the church basketball game also comes to mind. And the homeless guy that got shot on video for no apparent reason. However that doesn't take away from the racist origins of the police force. As Tony Brown used to say "Blacks are the canary in the coal mind. Whites should pay attention. What happens to blacks will ultimately happen to them." I have lived to see that with the mostly black crack epidemic morphing into the mostly white meth epidemic and now the mostly white opioid crisis. More and more whites are being abused by police. Abortion was originally aimed at blacks and its affecting the white community now. The pit you dig for someone else you often fall into it yourself.

And that's not even all that I wrote that you did not respond to.

Everything I have said is specifically on topic.. We are talking about Kanye. Kanye claims that black people need to stop focusing on racism and blaming white people for their problems and focus on themselves. The current narrative is that black people are only impoverished because of slavery, white people stealing resources from Africa and black oppression - and that white people profit from all of these things and that is why white people are rich and black people are poor.

You responded that a portion of the narrative was correct.

I said that a portion of the narrative being correct does not make the entire narrative correct nor the conclusion, and I challenged you on what you believed to be true (re: resources, slavery, oppression) and went in depth regarding how black oppression and slavery does not particularly benefit white people in the present day and how harvesting resources on legitimately acquired land is a free market activity - and how white people are currently enslaved and oppressed by the government arguably worse than black people through taxation (which is slavery).

I suggest you go back and read the post in detail because there is a lot more there, but would you argue that black slaves put in more time as slaves for the 200+ years of black slavery we had in the US, or do you think that white people have put in more time as slaves paying welfare for black people in the 50+ years we have had welfare? I don't know the answer, but I'm curious what your opinion might be.

[wizardwatson]

The wisdom of Kanye:

I don't subscribe the term and concept of God fearing. That's a dated mentality that was used to control people. We are in the future. If God is love and love it's the opposite of fear then to fear God makes no sense

Yes, Kanye, the fear of God IS DEFINITELY meant to control people. To keep them from doing things that piss off God and make God hate you.

Fearing God, means fearing what will happen to you for breaking the law. Loving God is on the far side of maturity. First you fear Him then you learn to love in kind of a yin/yang type God relationship.

But fear is the beginning, as the Word says...

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,

and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Kanye's babble is the wisdom of the world, which is foolishness masquerading as intellectualism. He sounds drunk in his tweets. But he's famous, it's somehow worth paying attention to.

To me this tweet of his says, "I don't fear God. Being wise is a dated concept. We are wiser than all generations before us. I believe love is the opposite of fear."

Just words of an imbecile.

[dannno]

The wisdom of Kanye:



Yes, Kanye, the fear of God IS DEFINITELY meant to control people. To keep them from doing things that piss off God and make God hate you.

Fearing God, means fearing what will happen to you for breaking the law. Loving God is on the far side of maturity. First you fear Him then you learn to love in kind of a yin/yang type God relationship.

But fear is the beginning, as the Word says...



Kanye's babble is the wisdom of the world, which is foolishness masquerading as intellectualism. He sounds drunk in his tweets. But he's famous, it's somehow worth paying attention to.

To me this tweet of his says, "I don't fear God. Being wise is a dated concept. We are wiser than all generations before us. I believe love is the opposite of fear."

Just words of an imbecile.

But that has nothing to do with anything we are discussing here.

We are never going to have a bunch of clones fighting for liberty who all have the same theological beliefs..

What is Kanye saying about race relations and racial issues? How does this relate to the current political climate?

[wizardwatson]

But that has nothing to do with anything we are discussing here.

We are never going to have a bunch of clones fighting for liberty who all have the same theological beliefs..

What is Kanye saying about race relations and racial issues? How does this relate to the current political climate?

I don't really care. I read like three days worth of tweets and had my fill right about where he said, "I love Hillary too.."

I'll grant you he's about as good for liberty as Trump though....or Hillary...or anyone else really.

[jmdrake]

Everything I have said is specifically on topic..

I didn't say it wasn't on topic. I said it had nothing to do with my point. And it didn't. Slavery did happen. There was an effect. Resources were stolen. And there is ongoing oppression. That said, socialism is not the answer.

We are talking about Kanye. Kanye claims that black people need to stop focusing on racism and blaming white people for their problems and focus on themselves.

What you seem to lack the intelligence to understand is that you can focus on helping yourself without pretending what happened to you somehow didn't happen. If you were molested as a child, spending all of your time being mad at your molester doesn't fix your problems. But neither does pretending the molestation didn't happen or that somehow the molester is a "victim too" because his life sucked after being put on the abuse registry. Yep, slavery hurt white people too. Your point?

Ron Paul is capable of reaching black people because, once he finally distanced himself from the $#@!s who wrote his newsletters, he was actually able to talk about real problems in the black community, acknowledge that systematic racial government oppression still exits, then ask the question "Do you really think more government will fix the problem" where the answer to that is obviously no.

The current narrative is that black people are only impoverished because of slavery, white people stealing resources from Africa and black oppression - and that white people profit from all of these things and that is why white people are rich and black people are poor.

Except that I NEVER SAID THAT! Do you know what a straw man argument is? Are you mentally capable enough to understand the concept of a straw man argument? Because that's what you keep doing over and over again.

You responded that a portion of the narrative was correct.

That is a TOTAL LIE! I NEVER SAID "A PORTION OF THE NARRATIVE IS CORRECT." I POINTED OUT FACTS THAT ARE CORRECT!

Are you able to respond without making stuff up? Once again, slavery did happen, resources were stolen from Africa (not "harvested" ) and oppression is still going on. But the answer to all of that is not socialism.

I said that a portion of the narrative being correct does not make the entire narrative correct nor the conclusion, and I challenged you on what you believed to be true (re: resources, slavery, oppression) and went in depth regarding how black oppression and slavery does not particularly benefit white people in the present day and how harvesting resources on legitimately acquired land is a free market activity - and how white people are currently enslaved and oppressed by the government arguably worse than black people through taxation (which is slavery).

I never said that it did. That isn't even the point. Ms. Owens is ignoring the PRESENT DAY OPPRESSION! Get that through your thick moronic skull. PRESENT DAY OPPRESSION! Philando Castille being gunned down like a dog because he exercised his 2nd amendment right to own a firearm is PRESENT DAY OPPRESSION!

I pointed out the facts about the past, but 90% of what I wrote THAT YOU TOTALLY IGNORED was about PRESENT DAY OPPRESSION!

I suggest you go back and read the post in detail because there is a lot more there, but would you argue that black slaves put in more time as slaves for the 200+ years of black slavery we had in the US, or do you think that white people have put in more time as slaves paying welfare for black people in the 50+ years we have had welfare? I don't know the answer, but I'm curious what your opinion might be.

Why would I want to do that when you are 1) I read all your bull$#@! the first time and responded to it 2) you are being dishonest by trying to pretend I didn't and 3) you have refused to respond to 90% of what I wrote?

[dannno]

I don't really care. I read like three days worth of tweets and had my fill right about where he said, "I love Hillary too.."

I'll grant you he's about as good for liberty as Trump though....or Hillary...or anyone else really.

Why are you analyzing his tweets? I haven't even seen his twitter feed. There are a couple of relevant tweets, but that's about it.

We are analyzing his thoughts on racial issues in the US which he has expressed in speeches in his concerts, youtube/periscope videos, his thoughts on Candance Owens, how the left is reacting to Kanye supporting Trump and telling people the fake news media is keeping them in the matrix or whatever..

If all you did was read his tweet about Candace Owens, but then you didn't go and listen to media interviews with Candance Owens and learn about what she discusses then you are not talking about what we are discussing in this thread, you are simply talking about pop-culture. We are actually discussing important issues related to race relations and black oppression and such.

[wizardwatson]

Yes, challenging Kanye's anti-scriptural tweets with real Christianity is "talking about pop-culture".

Carry on with your important discussions of race relations and black oppression.

[dannno]

I didn't say it wasn't on topic. I said it had nothing to do with my point. And it didn't. Slavery did happen. There was an effect. Resources were stolen. And there is ongoing oppression. That said, socialism is not the answer.

No, no, no.. you can't make the narrative "white people stole from black people, but the answer is not for black people to steal from white people". That is not a very convincing argument, even if it is correct. But as I've said, the premises are wrong and we have to get back to discussing them.

Slavery happened, it helped some white slave owners alive 200 years ago, it did NOT help any white people alive today. White people abolished slavery, white people went around the world and helped to end slavery. Black people enslaved black people, Muslims enslaved black people for tens of thousands of years it was a common institution and white people helped end all that (although it still exists today, not in any white countries..).. and another thing.. they don't have a lot of black people living in Iraq.. why? Because they castrated all their black slaves. But hey, leftist culture says Muslims are great people and we need to bring millions of them here, and white people are evil racists. Don't you see a huge problem with this??

I pointed out the facts about the past, but 90% of what I wrote THAT YOU TOTALLY IGNORED was about PRESENT DAY OPPRESSION!

Black people aren't oppressed by white people, they are oppressed by the government. White people are oppressed by the government, to an even greater degree, through taxation. This tax money goes to black people on welfare. White people are slaves to black people. This is the third time I've said that, how can you POSSIBLY claim that I have ignored the issue of "present day oppression" when I've now repeated it three times without it being addressed?

resources were stolen from Africa (not "harvested" )

Actually a portion of the resources were in fact stolen, and a portion were harvested - unless you are against the free market. What percentage of resources do you believe were legitimately harvested and what percentage do you believe were stolen? White people have every right to go harvest resources in Africa on land that is legitimately acquired, right? Or do you not believe that to be true? Again, this it the third time I've said this and you have yet to say specifically what you disagree with, all you do is make a face and say I'm wrong. Tell me that you think white people don't have a right to any resources in Africa if that is what you believe, then I can move on and ask more questions to see if you agree with those.

[jmdrake]

No, no, no.. you can't make the narrative "white people stole from black people, but the answer is not for black people to steal from white people". That is not a very convincing argument, even if it is correct. But as I've said, the premises are wrong and we have to get back to discussing them.

What? Let me get this straight. You actually believe that a group that has been stolen from has the right to steal from other people who were not born when the stealing took place? That is your argument? Seriously?

Okay I get it now. You are not as intelligent as I thought. You just really lack any kind of libertarian intellectual rigor. Let me help you out. Socialism is simply impractical. Look at the Soviet Union itself. The Russians had indeed been oppressed and stolen from by the czars. People shouldn't be able to take from others simply because they were born with a noble title and have an army to back them up. That doesn't make what happened in the Russian revolution good. If you lack the brains to understand that then please educate yourself before you try any further to advocate for libertarian causes Dannno.

Slavery happened, it helped some white slave owners alive 200 years ago, it did NOT help any white people alive today.

I never said it did help any white people today. That said, there are people living today who have generational wealth derived from slavery, so your point is another lie. To say it didn't help any white people today is to pretend that generational old money wealth that traces back to slavery doesn't exist. Now it doesn't help most white people today and it didn't help most white people when it existed and it was never designed to help them.

White people abolished slavery, white people went around the world and helped to end slavery.

Are you trying to claim now that they did it by themselves?

Black people enslaved black people, Muslims enslaved black people for tens of thousands of years it was a common institution and white people helped end all that (although it still exists today, not in any white countries..)..

Yes. That has nothing to do with anything I said. I never said that white people were the only ones involved in the slave trade. In fact when I spoke about the slave trade I didn't even mention white people. I simply said it happened. Stupid "counter" argument by you.

and another thing.. they don't have a lot of black people living in Iraq.. why? Because they castrated all their black slaves. But hey, leftist culture says Muslims are great people and we need to bring millions of them here, and white people are evil racists. Don't you see a huge problem with this??

Dannno, I have not defended Muslims in anything I said. More bull$#@! from you. There were quite a few blacks living in Libya before Obama bombed the hell out of Gaddafi. And your pimp daddy Trump supported the Libya campaign before he was against it. That said, black Muslim Moors took over Spain. While they were there they instituted religious freedom. When they were kicked out the wonderful white Christians began murdering the wonderful white Jews.

Black people aren't oppressed by white people, they are oppressed by the government. White people are oppressed by the government, to an even greater degree, through taxation.

According to Ron Paul the government disproportionately oppresses black people. But I guess once you started supporting Trump you quit supporting Ron Paul.

This tax money goes to black people on welfare. White people are slaves to black people. This is the third time I've said that, how can you POSSIBLY claim that I have ignored the issue of "present day oppression" when I've now repeated it three times without it being addressed?

Yes. Being taxed is worse than being disproportionately raped in prison. And whites who make the same amount as blacks are taxed at the same rate so your argument is ignorant. If you want to talk economics, blacks with the same credit score routinely get screwed on loans.

Actually a portion of the resources were in fact stolen, and a portion were harvested - unless you are against the free market.

And again with the straw men. I never said 100% of the resources taken from African were stolen! I said resources were stolen! So let's say I buy your TV, then tie you up, kidnap your children, and steal your stereo. If you file a police report can I then say you are against the free market?

What percentage of resources do you believe were legitimately harvested and what percentage do you believe were stolen?

I don't know and I don't care. If I purchase most of the goods out of your house and steal 10% I still stole. It would be asinine of me to say you were anti free market for pointing out the theft.

White people have every right to go harvest resources in Africa on land that is legitimately acquired, right?

If I purchase most of the goods out of your house and steal 10% I still stole. It would be asinine of me to say you were anti free market for pointing out the theft.

Or do you not believe that to be true? Again, this it the third time I've said this and you have yet to say specifically what you disagree with, all you do is make a face and say I'm wrong.

If I purchase most of the goods out of your house and steal 10% I still stole. It would be asinine of me to say you were anti free market for pointing out the theft. I at your lies and straw men arguments.

Tell me that you think white people don't have a right to any resources in Africa if that is what you believe, then I can move on and ask more questions to see if you agree with those.

Straw man argument. That's not what I believe and I never said that. I do believe that Ron Paul is right when he says that blacks are disproportionately oppressed by the government. Maybe you belong at Trumpforums.com.

[dannno]

What? Let me get this straight. You actually believe that a group that has been stolen from has the right to steal from other people who were not born when the stealing took place? That is your argument? Seriously?

Okay I get it now. You are not as intelligent as I thought. You just really lack any kind of libertarian intellectual rigor.

Uh, let's start with the fact that no, I did not make that argument. I said that is what the narrative is. Try to pay attention...

[dannno]

That said, there are people living today who have generational wealth derived from slavery, so your point is another lie. To say it didn't help any white people today is to pretend that generational old money wealth that traces back to slavery doesn't exist.

If you paid attention to my previous post, I debunked what you just said, twice now, this is the third time.. Slavery didn't enrich white people, it held everybody back - the industrial revolution would have started much sooner if slavery had ended sooner, so there is no wealth that white people have because of slavery, in fact, white people have LESS wealth because of the government institution of slavery.

[dannno]

Are you trying to claim now that they did it by themselves?

I'm saying they were probably 95%+ responsible.

[dannno]

If I purchase most of the goods out of your house and steal 10% I still stole. It would be asinine of me to say you were anti free market for pointing out the theft.

That's a bad analogy. A better analogy would be if 100 people came into your store, 99 people bought things and one person stole something, did everything from your store just get stolen?