Kucinich on Hannity on Fox: "Deep State" trying to destroy Trump

[TheCount]

humanity needs a p2p crypto proofed forum for the exchange of ideas..

Most P2P things are for file sharing rather than idea sharing, unfortunately. There are tools such as Freenet but it was pretty cumbersome to use when I last tried it.

The best thing that I'm aware of right now are some forums on .onion sites, but that's not p2p, of course. Also extremely low traffic.



Edit: Took a second look at Freenet just now. Unfortunately it will only support static sites, so any dynamic changes such as what forums need don't seem like they would work.

[Mordan]

Most P2P things are for file sharing rather than idea sharing, unfortunately. There are tools such as Freenet but it was pretty cumbersome to use when I last tried it.

There are no such tool right now. On the top of my head

1)create a p2p forum to formalize logical arguments.

2)arguments. is the earth round? Every side of the argument gets to vote on a message to help further the cause of their side. Every 10 minutes the reply with most votes is posted to the question blockchain. every vote is public. Someone committing his vote to "The earth is flat" puts his reputation on the line as illogical. Repeat this process for all the questions you like. Sub divide people into pools for each question. 100 pools of 100 persons arguing if the earth is flat or not is more user manageable than 1 pool of 10000 people voting on answers.

3) 3 sides... for/neutral/against... as the neutral people in the pool start to vote on answers, they take a side.. a consensus starts to emerge as to what is "truth" to the question "is the earth flat?" aggregate all the results of all pools. You get a truth probability that the earth if flat or round. Forumers get points by siding.

4) inside a argument, you have may have to solve sub questions. The argument of the root question stops until that subquestion is resolved. in the end you get a tree of questions answers to reach the truth



5) More complicated example. Should Windows 10 make its Update optional ? Each side can expose its views.
Sub question: is it ok when a bug in windows update consume 10% of your CPU 24/24 7/7? People saying yes it is OK to force the windows update on users will have their reputation forever tainted.

Another example. Did Petraus break the law? Yes/No. Did Hillary break the law? Yes/No... the forum can quickly rate logical consistencies of users.

[TheCount]

There are no such tool right now.

There is Zeronet but the way that it enables forums - from my understanding - is that it permits every registered/authorized user to sign the page. What that means in practice is that any authorized user can entirely change the page in any way that they wish. Great for teams and small groups of known good users but bad for any kind of 'open' discussion.


I don't agree with your concept of how a forum should work, as it would explicitly encourage brigading. I don't think that such a page could/would actually enable productive discussion. It would be a howling mob.

[Occam's Banana]

On the other hand, we appear to be tied for reputation, and you've been posting for 10 years, while I've been posting for a few weeks.

RPF's reputation system was changed to an inflationary model some time back, before you joined.

The "gradient" for rep power was expanded out to a maximum of 55. (I don't recall what the previous limit was, but I think it was considerably lower.)

That's why there are so many posters now with three-digit post counts who have reputations "beyond repute."

IOW: Most of yours is the fiat reputation of the nouveau riche, while Danke's is that of an aristocrat of the ancien régime ...

[merkelstan]

RPF's reputation system was changed to an inflationary model some time back, before you joined.

The "gradient" for rep power was expanded out to a maximum of 55. (I don't recall what the previous limit was, but I think it was considerably lower.)

That's why there are so many posters now with three-digit post counts who have reputations "beyond repute."

IOW: Most of yours is the fiat reputation of the nouveau riche, while Danke's is that of an aristocrat of the ancien régime ...

Oh thanks for the explanation. Apologies Danke.

[AZJoe]

[AZJoe]

[kpitcher]

There are no such tool right now. On the top of my head

1)create a p2p forum to formalize logical arguments.

2)arguments. is the earth round? Every side of the argument gets to vote on a message to help further the cause of their side. Every 10 minutes the reply with most votes is posted to the question blockchain. every vote is public. Someone committing his vote to "The earth is flat" puts his reputation on the line as illogical. Repeat this process for all the questions you like. Sub divide people into pools for each question. 100 pools of 100 persons arguing if the earth is flat or not is more user manageable than 1 pool of 10000 people voting on answers.

3) 3 sides... for/neutral/against... as the neutral people in the pool start to vote on answers, they take a side.. a consensus starts to emerge as to what is "truth" to the question "is the earth flat?" aggregate all the results of all pools. You get a truth probability that the earth if flat or round. Forumers get points by siding.

4) inside a argument, you have may have to solve sub questions. The argument of the root question stops until that subquestion is resolved. in the end you get a tree of questions answers to reach the truth



5) More complicated example. Should Windows 10 make its Update optional ? Each side can expose its views.
Sub question: is it ok when a bug in windows update consume 10% of your CPU 24/24 7/7? People saying yes it is OK to force the windows update on users will have their reputation forever tainted.

Another example. Did Petraus break the law? Yes/No. Did Hillary break the law? Yes/No... the forum can quickly rate logical consistencies of users.

You currently have Quora which is a social-ish site that allows people to upvote answers. Although it's not P2P.. write up a whitepaper, ICO's are hot for these sorts of things.

[merkelstan]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/politica...s-trump-crime/


Alan Dershowitz (?!) "Where's the Trump crime?"

[merkelstan]

You currently have Quora which is a social-ish site that allows people to upvote answers. Although it's not P2P.. write up a whitepaper, ICO's are hot for these sorts of things.

http://forklog.net/internet-of-peopl...-peer-economy/
http://www.fermat.org/

Another project that's farther along is retroshare. They're doing p2p sharing and chat. Setup is a bit involved. http://retroshare.net/index.html

[Mordan]

I don't agree with your concept of how a forum should work, as it would explicitly encourage brigading. I don't think that such a page could/would actually enable productive discussion. It would be a howling mob.

What does Brigading mean? I could flame you because we have are using 2 different semantics of that word. A forum should provide a workflow that stops the argument until everyone agrees on the meaning of words used in the argument.

The forum formalize the argument process to weed out personal and emotional pollution.

If the formal argument process works, Brigading isn't an issue anymore. Why would you brigade the Earth is Flat? Start with the basics.

Remember that within a side, people vote for the next argument. The formal process would allow to detect people with hidden agendas. Take again the flat earth example. You The Count sided on the roundish earth answer. 2 weeks afterwards, to argue in another argument, you use the argument the earth is flat. The forum would flag you as something. You would lose arguing power.

Also anyone can see your arguing history, your answers, your votes, your word semantics.

if you truly believe that the earth is flat. fine. side with it. but you will have to own it forever or recuse yourself. The forum will put flat earthers in pools together, separating them from round earthers. Because obviously round earthers and flat earthers have opposing views of logic.

[Mordan]

You currently have Quora which is a social-ish site that allows people to upvote answers. Although it's not P2P.. write up a whitepaper, ICO's are hot for these sorts of things.

simple upvote system is pointless. just like reddit. since it is centralized... the owners can decide at will which answers to inflate or deflate.

[H. E. Panqui]

...shame on any of you lying, fake news, low-info jew-haters!!...

...if the state department, treasury department, bank and media corporation$, etc., were/are truly dominated by 'the jews,' rush, sean, glen and alex would surely inform us!!!

..[besides, charles murray proved jews really are smarter than the shiksas and shegetz...so why wouldn't they dominate?]

[TheCount]

What does Brigading mean?

It's when people on a forum or subforum rally together people to go smash a discussion on some other forum or website.

If the formal argument process works, Brigading isn't an issue anymore. Why would you brigade the Earth is Flat?

You'd do it either to make the side you aren't on make a stupid argument by outvoting the people who actually believe it, or to sway your side to a certain angle.


The rest of your ideas are interesting, but if we want to discuss it we should probably move it to another thread. We're waaaaaaaay off topic now.

[nikcers]

I'd like to see an explanation on how the deep state is making Trump use twitter and say the dumbest $#@!, for years now.

[enhanced_deficit]

Could it be that Trump brought this trouble upon himself?
In contrast, DGP always respected DS's authority and they returned favor by not going after him.

[Mordan]

You'd do it either to make the side you aren't on make a stupid argument by outvoting the people who actually believe it, or to sway your side to a certain angle.

You can only vote once inside a pool each argument rounds. And when you vote on a side, you take the side which means if you brigade vote on earth is flat arguments, you will be a flat earther. Neutral players can only like or ask clarifications. As soon as you vote, you take a side.
Crypto protection prevents fake accounts so some degree.

[AZJoe]