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    The Real Trump: Economist Peter Schiff Talking About The Trump Economy With Mark Dice

    July 24, 2020





    Trump is a politician like anybody else. He is making political decisions. Nothing Trump does is really for the good of the country… It is all politics. He wants to get re-elected. He is not draining the swamp. He is part of the swamp. The swamp is a lot deeper now that Trump is there.

    He wants to get re-elected. Trump has a different style than a lot of career politicians. His decisions are not economically oriented. He is not putting America first, he is putting the election first. Trump just has a different style than other politicians.

    He doesn’t want to go through a big cleansing of the economy on his watch and get blamed for it. He was claiming we had the biggest economy in the history of the world when that wasn’t even close to the case. Maybe we had the biggest bubble in the world, but we didn’t have anything near the strongest economy.

    When Trump was a candidate for President he called out the phony unemployment numbers that the Obama administration was touting. Trump was saying the real unemployment rate was 30% or 40% while Obama said it was 5%. Now that he is President, he says we have the lowest unemployment.

    The minute he was elected he became a champion of everything he criticized.

    The trade deficits got bigger under Trump, they didn’t go down.

    He (Trump) was a critic of the Federal Reserve because he said they were too loose (too low interest rates). Once he was in office he was criticizing the fed because they were too tight (high interest rates). He wanted the Fed to be political, like they were for Obama.

    The reality is the American economy is a shadow of what it really was.

    When Trump campaigns he never talks about what really has to be done. Which is to make government small again.

    There is nothing he (Trump) can do to keep it from sinking, he just hopes he gets off before it does.

    The average guy wasn’t experiencing that economy (the one Trump was talking about).

    Trump was (disingenuously) saying I am not a career politician. What needed to be done was massive cuts in government spending. We have to think of government spending as taxation.

    He couldn’t actually do anything to make America great again. So, all he could do is get the bubble bigger and pretend that that was making America great again.

    He got the stock market to go up and we created some more fake prosperity. Now he became a champion of that fake prosperity. That same fake prosperity that he rightly criticized as a candidate.

    We are not seeing manufacturing coming back to America.

    Government regulations and spending and taxation is ruining job creation.

    We continued to create the same low-quality part-time service sector jobs under Trump that we had under Obama. All that happened is we had the stock market rise because the Fed was printing money.

    All he cared about was getting re-elected. Then he couldn’t do what was necessary to make America great again. So, he did what was expedient to keep the bubble inflated. So maybe he could get a second term. I don’t think it is going to work.

    If Trump really cared about the country he should have tried to do something in his first year when the Republicans had the House and the Senate. What he should have done is what I suggested; he should have refused to sign an increase in the debt ceiling. He could have forced a balanced budget. We increased government spending dramatically and cut taxes at the same time. We poured gasoline on the fire, that is all we did.

    ….The only thing spreading faster than COVID-19 these days is ignorance.


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    This is even more recent:

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Peter voted for Trump in 2016, when asked about 2020 he says he lives in Puerto Rico now so he can't vote for President, but I got the feeling he would still vote for him if he was able to.

    There are certainly things to criticize about the Trump Presidency with regards to spending, but I don't know that Schiff's strategy would be the best one that would have resulted in more freedom in the longrun, or whether we would have just ended up with a worse economy and a socialist beating Trump in 2020.

    One cool thing about the Rogan interview was that I think this was at least the second or third time Peter Schiff tried to explain why minimum wage was bad and after a lot of pushback from Rogan, Rogan finally admitted that he understood the argument for why minimum wage hurts poor people.
    Last edited by dannno; 07-24-2020 at 10:12 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    It is all politics. He wants to get re-elected. He is not draining the swamp.

    He wants to get re-elected. He is not putting America first, he is putting the election first.

    The only thing spreading faster than COVID-19 these days is ignorance.
    It looks to me like you are a super spreader. You have to win elections to do anything otherwise all you can do is bitch and moan. Joe Biden has been a swamp creature for 50 years do you think letting him win is draining the swamp?

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    1.5 trillion tax cut. Abolished 8 government regulations per new one. Etc etc. Peter is looking really rough, being a full time sour grape and doomsday prognosticator is taking a heavy toll on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    It looks to me like you are a super spreader. You have to win elections to do anything otherwise all you can do is bitch and moan. Joe Biden has been a swamp creature for 50 years do you think letting him win is draining the swamp?
    Biden is evil.
    He is going to push for hate speech laws,gun control,amnesty for illegals,single payer & the green new deal.
    Trump is not perfect but he is by far the best at this point.

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    An epic beatdown of trumptard Dice & Kudlow/Trump crony capitalist, wall street socialism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    An epic beatdown of trumptard Dice & Kudlow/Trump crony capitalist, wall street socialism.
    That is a poor synopsis of the video.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    July 24, 2020

    He (Trump) was a critic of the Federal Reserve because he said they were too loose (too low interest rates). Once he was in office he was criticizing the fed because they were too tight (high interest rates). He wanted the Fed to be political, like they were for Obama.

    The reality is the American economy is a shadow of what it really was.

    When Trump campaigns he never talks about what really has to be done. Which is to make government small again.

    There is nothing he (Trump) can do to keep it from sinking, he just hopes he gets off before it does.

    The average guy wasn’t experiencing that economy (the one Trump was talking about).

    Trump was (disingenuously) saying I am not a career politician. What needed to be done was massive cuts in government spending. We have to think of government spending as taxation.

    He couldn’t actually do anything to make America great again. So, all he could do is get the bubble bigger and pretend that that was making America great again.

    He got the stock market to go up and we created some more fake prosperity. Now he became a champion of that fake prosperity. That same fake prosperity that he rightly criticized as a candidate.

    We are not seeing manufacturing coming back to America.

    Government regulations and spending and taxation is ruining job creation.

    We continued to create the same low-quality part-time service sector jobs under Trump that we had under Obama. All that happened is we had the stock market rise because the Fed was printing money.

    + rep

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That is a poor synopsis of the video.
    IOW, you can't handle the truth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    IOW, you can't handle the truth.
    I watched the video two weeks ago when it came out, Schiff is one of my favorite people.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    It looks to me like you are a super spreader. You have to win elections to do anything otherwise all you can do is bitch and moan. Joe Biden has been a swamp creature for 50 years do you think letting him win is draining the swamp?
    I don't know what a super spreader is. What ever the case, it is important to know what is going on and to share information.

    As for "voting", whatever floats your boat; Communism, or Fascism. I do not consent to either. If it makes you feel good and proud to give your consent, who am I to stop you.

    Like it or not, agree with it or not, I am an Agorist, and damned proud to be. Each day that I wake up and go about my day, I look for ways to skirt the system, and live under the radar the best that I can. The only thing that will fix this stinking mess is not "voting" to perpetuate your system, but rather Starve the State and End the Fed. It may take a while, but it starts with me. Hopefully and eventually more people will figure that out and then maybe we can get somewhere. If not in my lifetime, maybe the next generation coming up.

    "Vote". Good grief. Now I am wondering if you are invested in U.N./Bill Gates vaccine companies, due to Trump's public/private ventures on the tax-payers dime.
    ____________

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don't know what a super spreader is. What ever the case, it is important to know what is going on and to share information.

    As for "voting", whatever floats your boat; Communism, or Fascism. I do not consent to either. If it makes you feel good and proud to give your consent, who am I to stop you.

    Like it or not, agree with it or not, I am an Agorist, and damned proud to be. Each day that I wake up and go about my day, I look for ways to skirt the system, and live under the radar the best that I can. The only thing that will fix this stinking mess is not "voting" to perpetuate your system, but rather Starve the State and End the Fed. It may take a while, but it starts with me. Hopefully and eventually more people will figure that out and then maybe we can get somewhere. If not in my lifetime, maybe the next generation coming up.

    "Vote". Good grief. Now I am wondering if you are invested in U.N./Bill Gates vaccine companies, due to Trump's public/private ventures on the tax-payers dime.
    Not voting is self censorship. That's what the authoritarians want you to do. Why would you spread the idea of self censorship to people who are more likely to vote Republican than democrat? Do you talk to people who are likely to vote democrat and convince them to self censor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Not voting is self censorship. That's what the authoritarians want you to do. Why would you spread the idea of self censorship to people who are more likely to vote Republican than democrat? Do you talk to people who are likely to vote democrat and convince them to self censor?
    You sound like this guy on the usacarryforum. He openly admits that he doesn't see anything other republican versus democrat, and there is nothing else. He votes republican 100% of the time, and like Swordy, makes every justification under the sun why republicans do what they do and can do no wrong. I pointed out some of the things that obama did, and trump went further, his response was like, if democrats do it, it is pure satanic evil, but if republicans do the same thing, it is because they are true and proud patriots. Thepoliticsforums is the same mentality.

    So I think to myself, what a disgusting, self-delusional illness, and why this country continues to spiral downward election after election.

    No thanks. I own myself. I do not consent, so I will not participate in perpetuating the game.

    Yes, I activate and speak to all people, regardless of party. There has to be a point in realization when it is best not to attend a party knowing the outcome, even with a designated driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You sound like this guy on the usacarryforum. He openly admits that he doesn't see anything other republican versus democrat, and there is nothing else. He votes republican 100% of the time, and like Swordy, makes every justification under the sun why republicans do what they do and can do no wrong. I pointed out some of the things that obama did, and trump went further, his response was like, if democrats do it, it is pure satanic evil, but if republicans do the same thing, it is because they are true and proud patriots. Thepoliticsforums is the same mentality.

    So I think to myself, what a disgusting, self-delusional illness, and why this country continues to spiral downward election after election.

    No thanks. I own myself. I do not consent, so I will not participate in perpetuating the game.

    Yes, I activate and speak to all people, regardless of party. There has to be a point in realization when it is best not to attend a party knowing the outcome, even with a designated driver.
    + rep to you, sorry I am all out of reps.

    Last presidential vote I made was for W back in 04 when I was dumb and “Hannitised.” Since then, I vote in the primaries, and local issues. But when it come to voting for President, it has and still planning it being a write-in that do not get counted in my State.

    Good for you PAF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You sound like this guy on the usacarryforum. He openly admits that he doesn't see anything other republican versus democrat, and there is nothing else. He votes republican 100% of the time, and like Swordy, makes every justification under the sun why republicans do what they do and can do no wrong. I pointed out some of the things that obama did, and trump went further, his response was like, if democrats do it, it is pure satanic evil, but if republicans do the same thing, it is because they are true and proud patriots. Thepoliticsforums is the same mentality.

    So I think to myself, what a disgusting, self-delusional illness, and why this country continues to spiral downward election after election.

    No thanks. I own myself. I do not consent, so I will not participate in perpetuating the game.

    Yes, I activate and speak to all people, regardless of party. There has to be a point in realization when it is best not to attend a party knowing the outcome, even with a designated driver.
    Yeah i am sure you do. You got a twitter account with a bunch of liberal followers who listen to you on social media and you tell them not to vote lol. It makes sense you would encourage people who are more likely to vote Republican not to vote because you are for open borders. You are basically encouraging people not to vote against unlimited illegal immigration and open borders and the bernie sanders joe biden policies of the democrat party.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Yeah i am sure you do. You got a twitter account with a bunch of liberal followers who listen to you on social media and you tell them not to vote lol. It makes sense you would encourage people who are more likely to vote Republican not to vote because you are for open borders. You are basically encouraging people not to vote against unlimited illegal immigration and open borders and the bernie sanders joe biden policies of the democrat party.

    Grow the $#@! up. And don't be lighting any matches around all those straw men you keep erecting. It could get hot for you.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Grow the $#@! up. And don't be lighting any matches around all those straw men you keep erecting. It could get hot for you.
    Stop farting next to my match you are going to get fire shot up your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Yeah i am sure you do. You got a twitter account with a bunch of liberal followers who listen to you on social media and you tell them not to vote lol. It makes sense you would encourage people who are more likely to vote Republican not to vote because you are for open borders. You are basically encouraging people not to vote against unlimited illegal immigration and open borders and the bernie sanders joe biden policies of the democrat party.
    I am not a restrictionist, and can see clearly how tptb attempt everything and anything to trash all of our rights, from 2nd Amendment, to Private Property, and Private Contract rights. Your term "illegal" is pathetic, as if Fed.gov actually owns human beings and should dictate their freedom of movement, and owes them something on the tax-payers dime for becoming "legal". I oppose ALL welfare, there is no way on this planet that I would ever support communists or the democrat party, let alone the republican fascist party. But, you seem to be fine with giving billions of tax payer money to corporatist NWO as long as your team does it.

    My way would eliminate ALL welfare. Your way promotes welfare for both the Left AND the Right. Think about that. And then think about that again. Maybe somebody it will begin to make sense to you.
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    An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)

    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Grow the $#@! up. And don't be lighting any matches around all those straw men you keep erecting. It could get hot for you.
    Again, Larkin nails it. It is definitively worth the time to watch, and of course share with others!

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...rchapulco-2020


    I owe a +REP to you and also @KEEF
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    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I am not a restrictionist, and can see clearly how tptb attempt everything and anything to trash all of our rights, from 2nd Amendment, to Private Property, and Private Contract rights. Your term "illegal" is pathetic, as if Fed.gov actually owns human beings and should dictate their freedom of movement, and owes them something on the tax-payers dime for becoming "legal". I oppose ALL welfare, there is no way on this planet that I would ever support communists or the democrat party, let alone the republican fascist party. But, you seem to be fine with giving billions of tax payer money to corporatist NWO as long as your team does it.

    My way would eliminate ALL welfare. Your way promotes welfare for both the Left AND the Right. Think about that. And then think about that again. Maybe somebody it will begin to make sense to you.
    Your way is a nation without borders. A nation without borders is just a globalist fantasy world.

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    Schiff trying to squeeze the corona lockdown as the great crisis he's been predicting since at least 2007 is a stretch, to say the least. This is a guy who was saying the US would look like Zimbabwe before Obama's second term. How many times does a guy -- whose whole career is based his supposed accurate prognostications -- have to be wrong before people realize he's just not that insightful?
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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