Mexico: US closes border

[Zippyjuan]

That's because it has nothing to do with immigration.

Exactly. But it also says everybody has the same rights no matter where they come from.

[Swordsmyth]

Exactly.

Yes, the BoR is irrelevant when discussing immigration so please tell all your troll friends to stop bringing it up.

There is no right to invade.

[PAF]

Reading comprehension not high on your agenda, I see. One standard for all who wish to live in the US. One standard. Follow the process and be welcome.

Reading comprehension is a great skill of mine. I merely pointed out your tit-for-tat syndrome:

as long as other countries do not allow Americans to freely travel to their countries, they should not be allowed to cross our borders.

[euphemia]

There is a process for entry, even if you live here and have traveled overseas. I was born overseas and traveled with my family when I was about 8 weeks old. There was a process even for me, and my father was on orders from the USMC.

[CCTelander]

Yes, the BoR is irrelevant when discussing immigration so please tell all your troll friends to stop bringing it up.

There is no right to invade.

And yet you're still tolerated here.

[PAF]

Yes, the BoR is irrelevant when discussing immigration so please tell all your troll friends to stop bringing it up.

There is no right to invade.

Immigrate or invade? All or some? Perhaps you should take a look at those Bill of Rights and see where due process comes to play. You’re telling me that every single person coming across that border is an “invader”, without due process. You’re also speaking for them, pre-crime as it may, by blanket stating that they are not coming here to seek work.

Prior to that Wall being plastered on every msm paper in the world, there wasn’t this manufactured problem.

[Zippyjuan]

Immigrate or invade? All or some? Perhaps you should take a look at those Bill of Rights and see where due process comes to play. You’re telling me that every single person coming across that border is an “invader”, without due process. You’re also speaking for them, pre-crime as it may, by blanket stating that they are not coming here to seek work.

Prior to that Wall being plastered on every msm paper in the world, there wasn’t this manufactured problem.

Walking up to a legal point of entry and requesting asylum is legal and not an invasion. They are entitled to the process of determining whether or not they deserve to have that asylum granted or not.

[phill4paul]

You have every right to freely travel across land not privately owned by any private group or individual. This is the same right that allows you to do such marvelous things as drive down the street, walk along the sidewalk, and go anywhere other than the property you live upon. An dthis si a right all people have.

But it isn't like you believe in property rights. You're threatening to beat, cage, and kill people for standing on land you don't own. This is base tyranny as you assert violent power over something you do not own. Like all Socialists and Fascists you want the centralized state to assert a violent monopoly control over all territory which results in the complete negation of all private property in the name of "the people."

Typical Progressive garbage.

And you're just another dip$#@! believing in a mythical libertarian utopia. Come and join the adults at the reality table when your done with your tantrum.

[Swordsmyth]

Immigrate or invade? All or some? Perhaps you should take a look at those Bill of Rights and see where due process comes to play. You’re telling me that every single person coming across that border is an “invader”, without due process. You’re also speaking for them, pre-crime as it may, by blanket stating that they are not coming here to seek work.

Prior to that Wall being plastered on every msm paper in the world, there wasn’t this manufactured problem.

There is no right to invade, there isn't even a right to immigrate, immigration is granted by permission, I'm not charging people in a court of law or violating any of their rights so precautionary thinking and dealing with the very real group dynamics is not only justified but mandatory and this problem has existed for a very long time.

[Swordsmyth]

Walking up to a legal point of entry and requesting asylum is legal and not an invasion. They are entitled to the process of determining whether or not they deserve to have that asylum granted or not.

That isn't what they are doing and obtaining asylum by fraud as most of them do is an invasion and a crime.
When they come in an army and cross borders by force they aren't entitled to apply for asylum.

[PAF]

I say it again: Prior to that Wall being plastered on every msm paper in the world, there wasn’t this manufactured problem.

So, whose problem does that become? Mine? Should I play into this corrupt govt hands and welcome that stupid wall, biometrics, the costs involved and everything else they want for my “security”?

How about Trump act like a freedom loving conservative and say, let’s forget that wall, forget about BioID, and like waves in an ocean the waters recede?

[Swordsmyth]

I say it again: Prior to that Wall being plastered on every msm paper in the world, there wasn’t this manufactured problem.

So, whose problem does that become? Mine? Should I play into this corrupt govt hands and welcome that stupid wall, biometrics, the costs involved and everything else they want for my “security”?

How about Trump act like a freedom living conservative and say, let’s forget that wall, forget about BioID, and like waves in an ocean the waters recede?

LOL

they won't just magically disappear.

[Swordsmyth]

However, the attempt to storm the border was just a small preview of what is to come. USA Today reported on November 22 that more than 2,500 mostly Central American migrants were currently staying at the Unidad Deportiva Benito Juarez, a makeshift shelter in Tijuana. While approximately 3,000 had arrived, the municipal government in Tijuana estimated that another 3,000 or more are staging in the city of Mexicali, about 90 miles away.


The situation is likely to become much worse as thousands more migrants flock to Tijuana. The Epoch Times on November 24 reported about an interview it had with a Honduran migrant named Marco Gómez, who arrived in Tijuana two days earlier and slept under a bridge near the El Chaparral pedestrian entrance to the United States. Gómez said he planned to wait until an expected 20,000 migrants arrive in Tijuana and then enter the United States en masse.

“We’ll stay together and be strong, and then move on to the U.S.,” he said. “Peacefully, like people going from one country to another. Marching.”
Gómez said they plan to enter through the vehicle lanes at San Ysidro, because “it’s more spacious.”

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...000-on-the-way

They intend to invade, they think if they overwhelm the border with sheer numbers we will backdown and just let the walk through without even making them follow the overly generous rules we do have.

[PAF]

LOL

they won't just magically disappear.

I’ll tell you one thing.. every single time without fail when this corporation of a government makes a statement or does “something”, it ends up costing me more money and invades my rights.

YOU haven’t figured that out yet.

[Slave Mentality]

Problem, reaction, solution.

Hook, line , and sinker.

[AuH20]

Think about the litany of illnesses & diseases they are carrying into the country. The TSA won't even let you bring in produce from another country, but these yahoos want us to open the door to these biological and security risks.

[Ender]

Think about the litany of illnesses & diseases they are carrying into the country. The TSA won't even let you bring in produce from another country, but these yahoos want us to open the door to these biological and security risks.

Ah.... well we can certainly trust the TSA. And the USA is NOT the healthiest place on the planet- far from it.


Here's an excerpt on border security from Gary North from 2006. Pretty much right on IMHPOV.

The wall is a symbol. The problem is this: What is it a symbol of?

THE POLICE

I find it difficult to believe that anybody believes that the wall will be the only policing tool needed to keep Mexicans away from America’s tools of production. The wall’s advocates call for follow-up measures.

Voters want green cards issued to immigrants: no card — no job. But who will police the green-card system? Business owners, mostly. So, the call for green cards is a call to place restrictions on agreements between employer and employee. It is a call for government agents with guns to enforce the terms of trade.

No thanks.

Then there is the Social Security card: no card — no job. I am old enough to have a Social Security card that has these words on it: “Not to be used for identification purposes.” That world is long dead. The Social Security card is now a de facto national identity card. It is used to track my money and my purchases. Businesses are requiring me to give them my SS number. Ironic, isn’t it? SS: Those initials symbolize the worst of the Nazi movement. “Your papers, please.”

Today, millions of Americans not only accept the card’s use as a national ID card, they demand that it be used to police the labor markets. In the name of the politics of plunder, most Americans are willing to make the Social Security card the surrogate for a national ID card. This is why the resistance to a national ID card is just about gone in American conservative circles. So is resistance to the politics of plunder.

No thanks.

The welfare system lures the Mexicans to cross the border. There is free tax-funded schooling for their children before the children get the ultimate green card: citizenship. The courts say that cities cannot refuse to educate any child, including the child of illegal aliens. There is no green card required for access to the tax-funded schools.

Then there are all the other welfare benefits: access to free emergency room care in hospitals, and access to parks, libraries, and every other local welfare project. Come one, come all!

Then voters pretend that the system of tax-funded goodies isn’t as alluring to Mexicans as it to is Americans. The politics of plunder has real appeal. Yet American voters want to raise the drawbridge. “These illegal immigrants will bankrupt the welfare system!”

This is a very good argument for open borders. “Kill the accursed thing!”

How can “we” police a wall that doesn’t yet exist by means of a welfare system that the courts refuse to police?

How can “we” police the wall without undermining the right of free contract between employer and employee?

How can “we” police the wall without surrendering our privacy to a police State?

So far, no one has offered any widely agreed-upon answers.

CONCLUSION

Those who want the Federal government to police our borders forget what the Federal government is and what it does.

http://www.garynorth.com.

[AuH20]

Ah.... well we can certainly trust the TSA. And the USA is NOT the healthiest place on the planet- far from it.


Here's an excerpt on border security from Gary North from 2006. Pretty much right on IMHPOV.

True, but we're dealing with foreigners from countries with poor sanitation, substandard utilities and a general sense of uncleanliness (relatively speaking). Illnesses run rampant in these locations.

BTW Gary North is right, but we simply can't let them overrun us.

[AuH20]

Scumbag pro-vac 'journalists' telling us that we have nothing to fear from potential health risks fleeing to the U.S. Border. Oh, the irony!
You must let the state vaccinate your child, but don't mind the coughing Mestizo behind you!

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...d-the-caravan/

[Zippyjuan]

Scumbag pro-vac 'journalists' telling us that we have nothing to fear from potential health risks fleeing to the U.S. Border. Oh, the irony!
You must let the state vaccinate your child, but don't mind the coughing Mestizo behind you!

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...d-the-caravan/

Actually they are more likely to be vaccinated than US citizens due to their national healthcare systems. US vaccination rate for example for measles is 92%. Honduras is 97%. Mexico 96%. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/sh.imm.meas

https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugee...iet/index.html

Immunizations

Despite challenges in accessing basic primary care services in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, each country reports high immunization coverage among children. Vaccination coverage in El Salvador varies from 90% to 93%, depending on the vaccine, while vaccination coverage ranges from 93% to 98% and 88% to 93% in Guatemala and Honduras, respectively19. El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras administer vaccines in accordance with the World Health Organization’s (WHO) Expanded Program on Immunization.

[Ender]

True, but we're dealing with foreigners from countries with poor sanitation, substandard utilities and a general sense of uncleanliness (relatively speaking). Illnesses run rampant in these locations.

BTW Gary North is right, but we simply can't let them overrun us.

Actually Mexico's health care is, overall, better and cheaper than in the US. I have many friends that will only go to Mexico for good dental care & any major health issues.

And thanks for your intelligent & reasonable replies. We don't always have to agree to have good dialog- very refreshing.

[AuH20]

Actually Mexico's health care is, overall, better and cheaper than in the US. I have many friends that will only go to Mexico for good dental care & any major health issues.

And thanks for your intelligent & reasonable replies. We don't always have to agree to have good dialog- very refreshing.

I was referring to the OTM nations in Central America, whom Mexicans actually look down upon.

[euphemia]

Except the poor woman who died after a nose job in Mexico.

[euphemia]

Actually Mexico's health care is, overall, better and cheaper than in the US. I have many friends that will only go to Mexico for good dental care & any major health issues.

And thanks for your intelligent & reasonable replies. We don't always have to agree to have good dialog- very refreshing.

Then why don’t those immigrants want to live there?

[Zippyjuan]

Except the poor woman who died after a nose job in Mexico.

What about the one who died in New York? http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends...tyside/n_9981/

We have some of the best healthcare in the world (if you can afford it).

[Schifference]

Think about the litany of illnesses & diseases they are carrying into the country. The TSA won't even let you bring in produce from another country, but these yahoos want us to open the door to these biological and security risks.

Wow great point! I remember traveling into California and having my motor home checked for fruit. We had some that had to be confiscated.

[AuH20]

the baseball and the pile of greenbacks crack me up.

[Swordsmyth]

the baseball and the pile of greenbacks crack me up.

That is a great big beautiful door.

[Brian4Liberty]

We're fighting a rear guard action while being overrun, displaced and replaced.
...

That's just crazy talk. All is well, nothing to see here.