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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I'm sure it's politically motivated and I'm sure he is guilty as charged. It's really not much different than what Clinton did and that was settled with a fine. His Georgia problems are worse in my opinion. It looks like he will skate on the classified documents. I don't know what will come of the Jan 6th investigation, but I believe he is guilty of inciting it. But in the end he is too damaged by all the charges and investigations to ever win an election again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    dont forget the mainstream media was doing free advertising for Hillary.
    You think they weren't giving Trump just as much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    If Trump is indicted in Georgia or as a result of the special counsel's investigation of January 6, will DeSantis fail to mention it in the battle for the GOP nomination?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You think they weren't giving Trump just as much?
    One thing for sure is Trump never got softball questions or knew the debate questions beforehand.



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    Orange man breaking out of prison:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marenco View Post
    Orange man breaking out of prison:

    In my mind, I'm trying to rule Trump in or out. Here's what makes it so difficult:

    - The Left defeated him in 2020, whether by fraud or not, THEY WON and, in politics, that's all that really counts

    - But they are obviously terrified of him, even in 2023... when they want to hype one of their own, they fake anger, but they *never* show fear, unless involuntarily... the mask keeps slipping in the various clips I watch to gauge the temperature of the MSMBS. They are sincerely terrified of Trump, something about the possibility of him getting back in POTUS leaves them in petrified horror...
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Wouldn't be the most stupid psyop they ever ran, would it?

    Come on, man. It's not like he's going to step foot in a jail.
    It wouldn't be the most stupid psyop... but it isn't a psyop. It is the state attempting to fight off a threat.

    Its not like this is about some crime and the rule of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I don't know why they don't like him, but they don't like him. Personally I think it's probably some petty reason like embarrassing Hillary in 2016 in an election he wasn't supposed to win, and maybe has no particular substance with regard to policies.
    Some libertarians are liberal.

    Some libertarians are stuck on the fact that Trump is not libertarian and is somewhat of a big government guy. Trump probably doesn't know the difference between a democracy and a republic.

    Bottomline is that Trump is the best weapon that we libertarians have against the Marxist globalist horde and they are the #1 threat to our constitutional republic in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Bottomline is that Trump is the best weapon that we libertarians have against the Marxist globalist horde and they are the #1 threat to our constitutional republic in my opinion.
    Source?? From my point of view, that Marxist globalist horde flourished under Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I'm sure it's politically motivated and I'm sure he is guilty as charged. It's really not much different than what Clinton did and that was settled with a fine. His Georgia problems are worse in my opinion. It looks like he will skate on the classified documents. I don't know what will come of the Jan 6th investigation, but I believe he is guilty of inciting it. But in the end he is too damaged by all the charges and investigations to ever win an election again.
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    I find him personally offensive and an embarrassment to the country. His policy was for the most part not too bad.
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    You mean senile pedophiles? We just need a normal president.
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    Yes, I think Trump gets a pass on the documents because Biden did it too. Perhaps intentionally because the democrats want Trump to stay in the race being the easiest one to beat.

    It's not the crime of the century, but it is a crime. When Hillary got caught for campaign violations there was a fine. I think that woud be appropriate here.
    Are you looking forward more to voting for John Kasich or Chris Christie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    It wouldn't be the most stupid psyop... but it isn't a psyop. It is the state attempting to fight off a threat.
    Source? Breitbart tell you that?

    Okay... You're seem to think you're an expert on what's real and what's a psyop, tell me how you tell. What line does a psyop dare not cross when they're trying to usurp power, and trying to lend street cred to their controlled opposition? They're trying to get a population to pin so much hope on this guy that we all stand flat-footed while they shred the Constitution once and for all. You say they won't search their boy's hotel? Won't perp walk thim through Manhattan? These things are guarantees of legitimacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Are you looking forward more to voting for John Kasich or Chris Christie?
    I don't care if you wind up pronouncing Trump the lesser of three evils, or seven evils, or seventy-seven evils, or three hundred million evils. I'm still sick of evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    That's really beside the point. Whether the docs were classified or not, they didn't belong to Trump. And unlike Biden (who was probably too senile to even know he had classified docs), Trump refused to return them for over a year after leaving office and only did so because the search warrant was executed.
    That's not what the other lawyer said..
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Is that from the same person who said that the deutschland bank is a safe invest?
    ...And FTX, and SVB, and...well you get the point.
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    Post The Trump Charges are a Joke.

    While the Clown Mainstream News Media claims that Trump would be expecting charges from a "Porn Actress"

    The actual charges had being now documented.

    Trump is facing multiple charges of falsifying business records
    Doubt these charges will even go through. This trail is now nothing more than a show trail.

    Another distraction avoiding the banking crisis from the Biden admin, Liberals.

    I am sure they will try to bring up Jan 6 charges next week.
    Despite the leaked videos.
    Last edited by AngryCanadian; 03-31-2023 at 05:06 PM.

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    Meanwhile you have a Sitting President Biden, defending Hunter Biden's Nude parties..
    Elon Musk’s hyped “Twitter Files” show Biden campaign asked to remove Hunter Biden nude photos



    A normal US politician/Euporean politician would had faced years in prison if they were caught doing what Hunter Biden did.

    No One Is Above The Law.. Nancy
    Yet Biden is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Meanwhile you have a Sitting President Biden, defending Hunter Biden's Nude parties..
    Elon Musk’s hyped “Twitter Files” show Biden campaign asked to remove Hunter Biden nude photos

    A normal US politician/Euporean politician would had faced years in prison if they were caught doing what Hunter Biden did.

    Yet Biden is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Are you looking forward more to voting for John Kasich or Chris Christie?
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    CLIPS from SYSTEM UPDATE #63:

    Trump Indicted: Democrats' Latest Authoritarian Play to Prevent His Reelection | SYSTEM UPDATE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBtLLVTbO1c


    From Nixon to Trump: When—if ever—should former presidents be prosecuted? | SYSTEM UPDATE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GAc_Uj2eLM

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I'm sure it's politically motivated and I'm sure he is guilty as charged. It's really not much different than what Clinton did and that was settled with a fine. His Georgia problems are worse in my opinion. It looks like he will skate on the classified documents. I don't know what will come of the Jan 6th investigation, but I believe he is guilty of inciting it. But in the end he is too damaged by all the charges and investigations to ever win an election again.
    Trump was president when he obtained the classified documents, thereby he was entitled access to those documents to the highest levels, so this is a non criminal matter; and to reference Bill Clinton had also maintained personal possession of classified documents after his presidency had ended and he was cleared of any and all wrong doing, so regardless if he procedurally declassified them or not is not a legal matter, notwithstanding any procedural discrepancies. However, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Mike Pence, none of who (prior to) served as a U.S. President, have all been in possession of classified documents and no investigations into them has been made public to date.

    What is Trump supposed to be guilty of concerning January 6th? Inciting an organized peaceful rally to publicly seek a redress of grievances for what was a clearly and obvious stolen election (by calling upon the (traitorous) VP to initiate an established procedure of contesting the election results) that ended up being hijacked by federal provocateurs and corrupted D.C. police officers, in concert with Nancy Pelosi and others, who namely themselves orchestrated a preplanned and yet failed plan to incite a riot to blame on Trump, but that really only caused minor damage to property, the murder of several unarmed protestors, causing injuries to many more, and ultimately destroying the lives of thousands. ...Ever heard of the Compromise of 1877 (and how the Democrats fought tooth and nail to maintain control of slavery while Replicans fought to put an end to it)? January 6th has nothing on it in comparison!

    This indictment makes the DNC appear weak and desperate, really pathetic. As this nonsense unfolds (and the allegations shreds into pieces) it will only further boost Trump's popularity...in the end though it will not really matter cause the DNC controls the vote counts and now they know without doubt that they can get away with anything criminal at this point, so they will skew the votes to favor their selected candidate for the win in 2024.

    Issues in Trump's favor to further consider: selective prosecution, prosecutorial misconduct, grand jury misconduct, affirmative defense--statute of limitation exceeded, procedural notice due process violations, affirmative defense--paying hush money is not criminal (and it will be virtually impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the alleged payment pertained to manipulating an election), the key witness is a convicted felon and habitual liar.
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  25. #81
    Calling it now if Trump gets multiple indictments under his belt he’s losing all 50 states giving the Democrats exactly what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Calling it now if Trump gets multiple indictments under his belt he’s losing all 50 states giving the Democrats exactly what they want.
    LOL.

    MS and LA and WY and MT and ID just to name a few, are not voting democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Calling it now if Trump gets multiple indictments under his belt he’s losing all 50 states giving the Democrats exactly what they want.
    That won't happen. Trump could win some of the red states as the GOP nominee no matter what he did. The real question is if he is under multiple indictments will he stay in the primamry race or be able to win it? DeSantis seems to be in a holding pattern waiting to see if Trump flames out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Some libertarians are liberal.

    Some libertarians are stuck on the fact that Trump is not libertarian and is somewhat of a big government guy. Trump probably doesn't know the difference between a democracy and a republic.

    Bottomline is that Trump is the best weapon that we libertarians have against the Marxist globalist horde and they are the #1 threat to our constitutional republic in my opinion.
    To be clear: The "They" referenced in my comment was meant to imply "TPTB". I think there is some misunderstanding that I was referring to people here at RPF. Some people here don't like Trump ranging from admittedly valid reasons, to 'he doesn't smile enough'.

    So rephrasing:

    TPTB don't like Trump, but I don't know why.

    I'm guessing:

    The MIC got pissed at Trump because he didn't start a war with Iran when our plastic drone got shot down in the Persian Gulf. Not sure why Big Pharma turned on him. Soros doesn't like him because he's kinda $#@!ing up the years of carefully crafted MSM propaganda structure to gradually and subtly shift the USA towards socialism, with Trump using "fake news" as the battle cry. Hillary was supposed to be the first female corrupt president but Trump messed that up.

    #1 threat IMO remains the mainstream media as it is the potter that molds minds like clay, and the megaphone that sends out the marching orders. Ron Paul *should* have been the guy to dismantle the empire of lies (undoubtedly he did that for many of us on a personal level); Trump was the guy who really lit a fire under it and it's purely because of personality rather than principle. Ron was just too timid (lack of a better term) (Ron was a philosopher with bad warrior skills, Trump is a warrior with bad philosophy skills, I'm holding out hope for . . . Massie?).

    I really don't want to lose the skepticism that has been generated, particularly in the GOP ranks, if some empty suit like Pence or Romney gets in and puts everyone back to sleep. But you know, they do have great smiles and their presentation is more respectable, or something.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Trump was president when he obtained the classified documents, thereby he was entitled access to those documents to the highest levels, so this is a non criminal matter
    He wasn't entitled to them once he left office.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    What is Trump supposed to be guilty of concerning January 6th? Inciting an organized peaceful rally to publicly seek a redress of grievances for what was a clearly and obvious stolen election (by calling upon the (traitorous) VP to initiate an established procedure of contesting the election results)
    Absolute B.S. There is no "established procedure" for a Vice President to unilaterally throw out certified electors. Or do you think Biden could have done so in January 2017 and declared Clinton the winner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Source?? From my point of view, that Marxist globalist horde flourished under Trump.
    The source for my opinion is... well... me. Do I need to create an entry in Wikipedia or something?


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Source? Breitbart tell you that?

    Okay... You're seem to think you're an expert on what's real and what's a psyop, tell me how you tell. What line does a psyop dare not cross when they're trying to usurp power, and trying to lend street cred to their controlled opposition? They're trying to get a population to pin so much hope on this guy that we all stand flat-footed while they shred the Constitution once and for all. You say they won't search their boy's hotel? Won't perp walk thim through Manhattan? These things are guarantees of legitimacy?



    I don't care if you wind up pronouncing Trump the lesser of three evils, or seven evils, or seventy-seven evils, or three hundred million evils. I'm still sick of evil.
    More of this source nonsense? Do I need to have some designated authority to validate my thoughts and opinions? Is my position only credible if someone in a fancy hat declares it first and then I repeat it?

    I am my own authority with my own sense. I am the source of my conclusions.

    I am not a fan of the appeal to authority fallacy that says we need some "expert" to tell us what the truth is. I am not claiming to be an expert in psyops. I am just some guy that has my own experiences to draw conclusions from.

    You are free to create some conspiracy theory that Trump is some double agent working for the CIA and that he is here to round up all anti-marxists for execution or whatever. To me, that just seems stupid. I remember people on YouTube that were telling me that Ron Paul and Gandalf actor Ian McKellen are the same person, as proven by an examination of their ears in photographs. It seems stupid to me.

    I certainly haven't said anything about searching anybody hotels or any perp walks through Manhattan, so I don't know what you are talking about there.

    I simply think it is EXTREMELY obvious that the uniparty of globalists considers Donald Trump their enemy. You can stick with your theory of controlled opposition or whatever and I will continue to stick with the opinion that you are wrong and delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    To be clear: The "They" referenced in my comment was meant to imply "TPTB". I think there is some misunderstanding that I was referring to people here at RPF. Some people here don't like Trump ranging from admittedly valid reasons, to 'he doesn't smile enough'.

    So rephrasing:

    TPTB don't like Trump, but I don't know why.

    I'm guessing:

    The MIC got pissed at Trump because he didn't start a war with Iran when our plastic drone got shot down in the Persian Gulf. Not sure why Big Pharma turned on him. Soros doesn't like him because he's kinda $#@!ing up the years of carefully crafted MSM propaganda structure to gradually and subtly shift the USA towards socialism, with Trump using "fake news" as the battle cry. Hillary was supposed to be the first female corrupt president but Trump messed that up.

    #1 threat IMO remains the mainstream media as it is the potter that molds minds like clay, and the megaphone that sends out the marching orders. Ron Paul *should* have been the guy to dismantle the empire of lies (undoubtedly he did that for many of us on a personal level); Trump was the guy who really lit a fire under it and it's purely because of personality rather than principle. Ron was just too timid (lack of a better term) (Ron was a philosopher with bad warrior skills, Trump is a warrior with bad philosophy skills, I'm holding out hope for . . . Massie?).

    I really don't want to lose the skepticism that has been generated, particularly in the GOP ranks, if some empty suit like Pence or Romney gets in and puts everyone back to sleep. But you know, they do have great smiles and their presentation is more respectable, or something.
    I suspect TPTB don't like Trump because he is effective, at least in terms of winning the White House and waking up tens of millions to the truth. In the past it was just a small group of us nut Ron Paul supporters that would complain about fake news and such. We were easily handled and doused. Trump broke through the illusion for the masses.

    Now the fake news is exposed to everyone.

    Now the medical industry is exposed.

    Now the war machine is exposed.

    Now the legal system is exposed.

    Now the educational system is exposed.

    The fraud is now common knowledge and that is a HUGE problem TPTB didn't want. It is no longer just the talk of Alex Jones wingnuts that they could easily dismiss. Trump air dropped the glasses for everyone and what was once hidden in plain sight is now right in our faces. I think this is why TPTB don't like Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    You are free to create some conspiracy theory that Trump is some double agent working for the CIA and that he is here to round up all anti-marxists for execution or whatever. To me, that just seems stupid.
    Yeah, that's pretty stupid. It certainly isn't what I said. But whatever. If controlled opposition is too adult a concept for you, that's the breaks. Controlled opposition is too adult a concept for most people, and that's what they're counting on.

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    I simply think it is EXTREMELY obvious that the uniparty of globalists considers Donald Trump their enemy.
    Of course it is.

    It's a damned sight too obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Trump air dropped the glasses for everyone and what was once hidden in plain sight is now right in our faces. I think this is why TPTB don't like Trump.
    No. We did that. Us. In 2008 and 2012.

    There was no way to win any Republican's confidence after Ron Paul without acknowledging certain very obvious things. They knew that, as surely as Trump did.

    Sun Tsu wouldn't approve of the way you're underestimating the enemy. Fortunately, there are such things as Republicans with critical thinking skills. So I don't think all of George Soros' District Attorneys can put him back together again.

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