This guy never had any intention of getting rid of the IRS. He didn’t wimp out over the shutdown, he willingly reopened the government. He is a far cry from Ron Paul. He poses as anti-eastablushment and has an unorthodox presentation of his politics but he is still the same flavor as all politicians.
I doubt the IRS was going anywhere anytime soon.
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I'm trying to remember if he ever even said that he would.Originally Posted by Anti Globalist
You don’t find it troubling that he hasn’t made that promise? That there is not even an effort to try to get rid of it? Ron Paul promised to get rid of it.
Once a NY lib, always a NY lib. Based on his record prior to being elected all the proof was there. No surprise here.
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Not once has Trump ever mentioned getting rid of the IRS. Don't make it sound like this was a campaign promise.
It'd be cool if he did though.
He would also never arrest any of the Clintons.
How elite is Trump, then?
He’s a phony.
Yes Ron did. And in reality he never could have done it. He would have been dealing with the same opposition at every turn just like Trump is. Realistically while it is a nice thought, it's just a dream that will never happen. It was a promise he never could have kept.
Last edited by ATruepatriot; 05-09-2019 at 06:50 AM.
Not true. All Trump had to do was keep the shut down going and then the IRS employees would have eventually quit.
You have a LOT to learn yet... They would not have quit, they were still getting paid, it was just delayed. They were getting a paid vacation. Even two years later that back pay would have to still be paid.
Hey you know what? Donald J. Trump doesn't walk on water either...Imagine that? He is just a man, and a fallible one at that. All you people expecting miracles, you need not support any man or woman because it will never happen.
Walk a mile in his mocassins before you pass judgement. He has done a lot more than many presidents have done in our lifetime. He also has a lot more opposition trying to stop him at every turn. If you cannot see that, you're simply not paying attention.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
He could have laid them off past 30 days.
Sarcasm?
Would you make these same excuses for Romney or McCain, neither of whom is/was as much of a progressive as Trump?
Lol... See... Once hired, you cannot fire or lay off a government employee, It is a real problem the taxpayers have been wanting to fix for many many years now. At every level once hired we are stuck with them until they die and even until their surviving spouse dies.
And that is the problem, expectations are absolutely unrealistic. Never in a real world is someone ever going to be elected president and have a completely free unrestricted hand to do all the things they promised or want to do. Both sides would have tied Ron Paul's hands through his whole term and he would not have been able to accomplish one of the actions we wanted him to. Not one...
I sure would if they accomplished the things that Donald J. Trump has done in the two years he has been in. But of course, their records already speak volumes that they would have done more of the same to destroy this country.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
And that's the thing. The Trump apologists on this forum aren't just being realistic in their expectations. They positively support Trump's policies, including the ones that are diametrically opposed to what this website stands for, like his tariffs, his wall, and his national emergency declaration. If they didn't, they'd see him in the same camp as any number of other pseudo-conservative politicians that regulars here have a longstanding history of repudiating as more bad than good.
The thing is, the promises Donald J. Trump has made on the campaign trail, he has accomplished much of it. Dr, Paul is just too polite and too kind to have ever tried to be president. He was in Congress for all that time and never once got anything passed, which was unfortunate but it is the reality of the element we have to deal with in a corrupt government. Donald J. Trump is a thick skinned New Yorker. He has dealt with the opposition with vim and vigor. I do not know how many people could handle this kind of opposition the way he has coming out of the gate.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
That's easy to do when you promise both A and not-A at the same time on pretty much every issue.
The problem with Trump is his entire agenda is diametrically opposed to everything we (that is, the non-trolls) stand for here. It's not just that he doesn't go far enough in the right direction. He wants to, and as you point out, is to some degree successful, at going in the wrong direction.
So let me get this right? This website stands for individual liberty and free speech until someone deviates from a mandatory script? Group think much?
And if Ron Paul were president, what do you think he would have been able to accomplish...bring the troops home? Donald J. Trump is trying that and is up against great opposition. Stop welfare? Donald J. Trump has proposed stricter regulations on Food Stamps. Less people are on Food stamps currently than ever before. On welfare, he has put stricter regulations on people who can work and he is trying to stop foreign aid and foreign dependency on our money.
The neocon warmongers and democrats are against him every step of the way to end wars.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Reality.... While we hold out for that perfect president based on purism, the world is still turning and not going to wait for us to find that perfect person. In fact we are never going to find that person.
Here is the ironic thing. For Ron to have accomplished anything he promised at all he would have had to declare marshal law to actually get it done.
Exactly. However, we need a fighter and one who will not crimp and fold from the barrage of opposition. Thus far he has proven to be a trooper, no doubt. As I said earlier, Donald J. Trump is just a man...and in my opinion a better person than I.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Agreed. I believe at some point Donald J. Trump will have to declare Martial Law on the southern border to stop the invasion.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
I hope not... I would oppose this from any president for any reason. What is going to happen is the people will soon go and handle it themselves. This is when things are going to break open.
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