How About a REAL Liberty Perspective

[Ender]

I originally posted this in the "Dark" thread but I think we need to talk about this as it's own subject.


You know, part of liberty is to allow people to vote how they wish- I am for that, even though I may think their choice is stupid/outrageous/insane etc.

What I am NOT for is the constant name-calling and degradation of those who do NOT support Trump. Every post that shows some negative aspect of Trump is countered by name-calling, personal insults, and innuendos by 99.9% of Trump supporters. Only a few actually talk about the subject itself, and show a real alternate POV.

Of course, when opposers finally have had enough of the insults and fire back, then the hue and cry is about the poor Trumpets and the abuse they suffer. Even worse is when people who just post news articles, and do not degrade ANYONE, (like @CPUd) are constantly called names and insulted beyond measure, usually WITHOUT little, or any, argument against the article itself. And, If there is an argument, it's always about the source, not the content.

My POV is to read EVERYTHING. All sides should be read on a subject that one holds dear- that is really the only way to be able to hold good dialog about any subject and understand all points that are brought up.

IF you really wish to change hearts & minds, a good argument is based on facts, your personal POV, and acceptance of those who disagree. The next few months are only going to get worse and if you really want Trump as president, try some intelligent persuasion.

I can guarantee if Hitlery wins it will be as much the Trump supporters fault as those against.

[Natural Citizen]

Seems like the Trump supporters are the folks who are largely on the receiving end of the name calling, Ender. Granted, a lot of the Trump supporters aren't very good representatives for their candidate.

[goldwater's ghost]

good post. one thing ive noticed is the use of the word "cuck" by posters here to denigrate any anti trump position. that is a word that was never used here prior to trump and originates from the white nationalist crowd from other sites. now it may be that it just became appropriated by some posters but anytime i see that term i view it as if i'm reading from a stormfront poster and not a libertarian or conservative

[euphemia]

Um, no, those words are usually reserved for people who do not support Johnson. Which I will never, ever do. Never.

[RJB]

Both the hard core Trump and hard core anti-Trump people should get their own forum like the religion forum so those fights stay segregated from the rest of the forums.

[Jamesiv1]

I think the name-calling goes both ways... probably about 50-50.

seems to me the anti-Trumpers are more vitriolic, though.

[euphemia]

I've never called a Johnson supporter a name. I've never called anyone a name, unless it was like Sparky or Pal.

[kahless]

What a scam, I bet Ender could not stop laughing when he posted that. The anti-Trump people spew all kinds of hate and insults for simply discussing the race and Trump. After awhile some hit back and then the anti-Trump people cry to the mods or make posts like this after stirring things up.

[kahless]

dupe

[Suzanimal]

What a scam, I bet Ender could not stop laughing when he posted that. The anti-Trump people spew all kinds of hate and insults for simply discussing the race and Trump. After awhile some hit back and then the anti-Trump people cry to the mods or make posts like this after stirring things up.

Took down the giant flag and changed it to a bull$#@! detector, lol.

Ender is usually pretty nice to people. I don't read through all the Trump drama but I can't see him name calling.

[Suzanimal]

Both the hard core Trump and hard core anti-Trump people should get their own forum like the religion forum so those fights stay segregated from the rest of the forums.

[kahless]

Took down the giant flag and changed it to a bull$#@! detector, lol.

Ender is usually pretty nice to people. I don't read through all the Trump drama but I can't see him name calling.

I thought it was going to be a small flag and turned out to be ridiculously huge after I posted it.

[RJB]

I've never seen a cat smile like that.

[fisharmor]

Lol @ "real liberty perspective" on a thread about voting.

[r3volution 3.0]

Both the hard core Trump and hard core anti-Trump people should get their own forum like the religion forum so those fights stay segregated from the rest of the forums.

This is (was?) a libertarian forum.

So, why in the hell are Trump promoters allowed to be here at all?

...it was actually decided months ago that they weren't, but there has been ~0 enforcement of that policy.

Would Romney supporters have been allowed to run amok here last cycle?

Or McCain supporters the cycle before that?

Absurd

[Smitty]

One doesn't have to be a Trump supporter to grow weary of the constant stream of leftist crap that some people post on here.

[r3volution 3.0]

One doesn't have to be a Trump supporter to grow weary of the constant stream of leftist crap that some people post on here.

"Leftist crap" = "criticism of Trump"

How about you self-deport back to Stormfront?

[Smitty]

Stormfront is so,.....so,.."90s". And I never hung out there, anyway.

I prefer the Unz Review, Vox Popoli, Taki's Magazine, American Renaissance, and The Mises Institute,...and of course, Lew Rockwell.

[RJB]

This is (was?) a libertarian forum.

So, why in the hell are Trump promoters allowed to be here at all?

...it was actually decided months ago that they weren't, but there has been ~0 enforcement of that policy.

Would Romney supporters have been allowed to run amok here last cycle?

Or McCain supporters the cycle before that?

Absurd

The thing is, it's not limited to just election threads. There is such a strong personal hatred between the two sides that fights break out between people on totally unrelated forums that have nothing to do with politics. Keep politics, politics. Don't make it personal. That's my beef.

[spudea]

Report the insults when you see them. Like this one:

Shut up bitch.

Go hawk some more dick pills.

[RJB]

Report the insults when you see them. Like this one:

I think he directed that at Alex Jones who isn't a member here.

[heavenlyboy34]

I originally posted this in the "Dark" thread but I think we need to talk about this as it's own subject.


You know, part of liberty is to allow people to vote how they wish- I am for that, even though I may think their choice is stupid/outrageous/insane etc.

What I am NOT for is the constant name-calling and degradation of those who do NOT support Trump. Every post that shows some negative aspect of Trump is countered by name-calling, personal insults, and innuendos by 99.9% of Trump supporters. Only a few actually talk about the subject itself, and show a real alternate POV.

Of course, when opposers finally have had enough of the insults and fire back, then the hue and cry is about the poor Trumpets and the abuse they suffer. Even worse is when people who just post news articles, and do not degrade ANYONE, (like @CPUd) are constantly called names and insulted beyond measure, usually WITHOUT little, or any, argument against the article itself. And, If there is an argument, it's always about the source, not the content.

My POV is to read EVERYTHING. All sides should be read on a subject that one holds dear- that is really the only way to be able to hold good dialog about any subject and understand all points that are brought up.

IF you really wish to change hearts & minds, a good argument is based on facts, your personal POV, and acceptance of those who disagree. The next few months are only going to get worse and if you really want Trump as president, try some intelligent persuasion.

I can guarantee if Hitlery wins it will be as much the Trump supporters fault as those against.

Cool, man. *thumbsup* I hope you can find people genuinely interested in liberty. Not many in 'Murica-not even on this site. :'(

[Smitty]

Report the insults when you see them. Like this one:

Of all the people I see posting on here, r3volution 3.0 seems to be the one with the most perpetually foul disposition.

,....as if he was born with a piss fountain continuously flowing into his Wheaties.

[Jamesiv1]

I think there needs to be a safe-space indicator. Maybe like the green dot that indicates you're online. You just go into safe-space mode, the little doohickey next to your username lights up, and anybody that insults you while you're in your safe-space gets banned.

[Natural Citizen]

...the poor Trumpets...

What is a Trumpet, Ender?

[Suzanimal]

I think he directed that at Alex Jones who isn't a member here.

I guess the dick pills didn't work.

[goldwater's ghost]

What is a Trumpet, Ender?

a musical instrument with an orange hue that works by blowing hot air into it

[Smitty]

I guess the dick pills didn't work.

That's debatable. He's been a dick on here as long as I can recall.

Something caused it.

[Suzanimal]

I think there needs to be a safe-space indicator. Maybe like the green dot that indicates you're online. You just go into safe-space mode, the little doohickey next to your username lights up, and anybody that insults you while you're in your safe-space gets banned.

That's a great idea! I want a Franzia box safe-space indicator.

[Suzanimal]

That's debatable. He's been a dick on here as long as I can recall.

Something caused it.

I don't think think he's a dick, I was just joking around because he seemed so mad about the dick pills.