"I hope someone truly shoots you" - Conspiracy Theorists Harass Victims

[angelatc]

Wtf is a conspiracy theorist?

A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes an unwarranted conspiracy, generally one involving an illegal or harmful act carried out by government or other powerful actors. Conspiracy theories often produce hypotheses that contradict the prevailing understanding of history or simple facts. The term is a derogatory one.[3]

[juleswin]

Oh look. A conspiracy crazy, who is inexplicably still allowed to post here despite openly calling for mass murder, using a Che avatar, just posted a truther video despite knowing full well that his 9/11 crap is only allowed in Hot Topics and also has nothing to do with this thread.

Imagine that.

My apologies angelatc, I took the offending video down and will try not to post it again on your threads. But don't worry, I have given up completely on trying to convince anyone of anything. I am slowly trying to wind down my time here and this is not because of anything the forum has done or is doing. I have just come to the realization that trying is a complete waste of my time and energy.

[Dr.3D]

Yeah, because government would never stoop so low as to conspire to do something illegal to bring forth something it wants.

[Swordsmyth]

A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes an unwarranted conspiracy, generally one involving an illegal or harmful act carried out by government or other powerful actors. Conspiracy theories often produce hypotheses that contradict the prevailing understanding of history or simple facts. The term is a derogatory one.[3]

Thank you Herr Doktor Gerbils.

[devil21]

The problem is that it is literally impossible to discuss current events without the conspiracy theory people taking over the thread.

Don't be mad. Just learn to guide a conversation better and convince people of your position more effectively than the other guy. Whining that your viewpoint is less accepted than other's viewpoints simply shows that you aren't as persuasive and dedicated. That's your failing, no one else's.

Having said that, there's a hell of a lot of people that smell mountains of bs with these "events". If 51% of people become (CIA coined term) "conspiracy theorists" is that somehow worse than when 90% took everything ABC News said as gospel?

[phill4paul]

I questioned the original depiction of the killing of LaVoy Finicum. Turns out an FBI agent fired at him as he was leaving his vehicles with his hands raised and then tried to cover it up with the rest of the HRT agents. <shrug>

[Raginfridus]

Two points remain:

1. Association with conspiracy crazies is a tool to undermine liberty campaigns.
2. It is literally impossible to talk about current events without the conspiracy crazies taking over the thread.

1. MSM and political opponents will try and take a candidate down they don't like by any means necessary. It makes no difference what the association is. You're also excluding anybody currently living conspiracy (or thought crime in general) free, who in their darkest, deepest most shameful past committed a thought.

2. If you can't stand being called crazy yourself (which you are) don't call others crazy from the top of your high horse? If you like being called crazy, or you don't really give a $#@! after logging out, and you know you're in good with Ron Paul because you've been a member here since 2007, you lose nothing (if you're losing your mind, again, I told you so). lol


I kind of feel for you, @angelatc. Whenever there's a sport topic in the politics sub forum, I simply suggest a mod move the topic to the Open board. I kind of liked sports as a kid, but I never learned to give $#@! what sports say and do in politics. Like actors. But go ahead please and tell me Gary Webb shot himself twice in the head.

[dannno]

Don't be mad. Just learn to guide a conversation better and convince people of your position more effectively than the other guy. Whining that your viewpoint is less accepted than other's viewpoints simply shows that you aren't as persuasive and dedicated. That's your failing, no one else's.

Having said that, there's a hell of a lot of people that smell mountains of bs with these "events". If 51% of people become (CIA coined term) "conspiracy theorists" is that somehow worse than when 90% took everything ABC News said as gospel?

She will make a thread about something and there will be a couple pages of discussion, and somebody comes in a posts some conspiracy stuff and a video, nobody even responds and she flips the $#@! out..

[Jamesiv1]

I am pretty sure this thread needs a poll.

[Dr.3D]

I am pretty sure this thread needs a poll.

There better be enough options in that poll too.

[devil21]

She will make a thread about something and there will be a couple pages of discussion, and somebody comes in a posts some conspiracy stuff and a video, nobody even responds and she flips the $#@! out..

It's well known that the most ridiculous of "conspiracy theories" are intentionally injected into internet conversations to discredit more legitimate alternative narratives. IDK, sorta sounds like angelatc wants to censor people. On a forum with LIBERTY in the friggin name, no less.

[Jamesiv1]

There better be enough options in that poll too.

Damn right. A poll with plenty of options, made right here in the U.S.A.

[Ender]

Take the conspiracy bull$#@! to ATS. $#@! all of you who poisoned this movement with the endless crazy.



Name one position he holds that doesn't have a mountain of official documents to support it.

I became a Ron Paul supporter after I heard him speak after 911.

Basically he said that the Patriot Act was conveniently already written & ready to go right after 911 and that NO ONE that signed it had actually read it. That incident was the beginning of my "Question Everything" stance in politics.

We also ALL saw Ron Paul ignored and his votes stolen from him in 2008- so........

If you don't question .gov what are you even doing here?

[ds21089]

Do we know the people who said these things have been active Facebook users - real people, not just paid trolls to create news stories? While I dont put it past people to say these things, I tend to look at everything reported in the media and ask myself, "What idea can this story instill into peoples' minds? Who would want people thinking that way? Is this a story that would otherwise be reported if there wasn't an intended agenda?"

How often are some comments random unknown people make on Facebook reported? I'd imagine only if it suits their agenda and gives them material to help push it.

The idea pushed would be, "Conspiracy theorists are violent nuts. If you think crisis actors exist or question the official story given of the event, you are a violent nut. You aren't a violent nut like this guy in the story, right? So don't question the official story. Also, be sure to stay away from people talking against the official stories because they are crazy people like this guy as well."

Who gains from this pushed mindset? I think that's pretty obvious.

While obviously this is speculation, I don't think it should be ruled out. I see no reason why this would even normally become a story being reported. If they reported on every time somebody made a violent threat or said horrible, foul language, they wouldn't have nearly enough time to pump out all the stories. So why this one?

[otherone]

fake news

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The thing about conspiracies is most of them don't stay hidden for very long. If you have too many people involved then one or more of them is spilling the beans. If I am up to no good, then I don't work with anyone. People talk too much.

Another thing is the evidence reveals itself pretty fast. If anyone remembers Mark McConnell from the Lavoy Fincium deal, then it was very easy to see he was lying in the video. I did not even follow this in depth, but I'd say that was orchestrated. It was easy for the government to shrug off because they know that people have short attention spans. The government quickly came out with their official story of Finicum being shot. The masses ate it up and that was that. It did not matter that contrary information came out later. People were no longer interested.

I really don't care if people get off topic in a thread or post their theories. I have the option of skipping over anything, which is what I often do. It's no skin off my nose. I do however, find it funny that RPF has it's own little conspiracy that people sometimes gloss over or even deny. There is, undoubtedly, a concerted effort by paid trolls to disrupt this site. It's a foregone conclusion, but many people aren't interested in that one. They either want the PayPal statement showing that the trolls get paid; or, maybe it's just not too interesting to them. I suppose some of it has to do with scale. The big stories at a national level are just more interesting.

[Origanalist]

@Bryan, how can you keep telling yourself these people aren't detrimental to any shattered remnants of the mission we all shared?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ia?CMP=soc_567

I'm really confused here, how do these people relate to forum members? I mean, I didn't read that whole thread but was anyone talking about harassing the victims online or anything like that? Or even that the deaths and injuries were fake?

[Wooden Indian]

I got so frustrated that all rational discussion ands news was abandoned in that thread in favor of silly "the guy never existed and these are all actors" theories, that I stopped opening it and found good discussion elsewhere.

To each their own... I hate that someone new to the forums will think that liberty people equals crazy people, but that's the board owner's call, I reckon.

[Anti Federalist]

9/11 was an inside job.

People inside government knew exactly, who, where, when and how the events of that day would play out.

They deliberately, with malice aforethought, engaged in a criminal conspiracy to prevent, harass, sidetrack and otherwise hamper efforts to investigate and prevent those events from happening, in order to facilitate the attacks going smoothly.

I said it ten years ago when I joined this forum, I say it now, and unless I am presented with some powerful evidence to convince me otherwise, I will continue to say it.

As to the Vegas shooting: my jury is out.

Clearly, people were shot, injured and killed.

There are other questions that do not have answers, however.

[Ender]

I'm really confused here, how do these people relate to forum members? I mean, I didn't read that whole thread but was anyone talking about harassing the victims online or anything like that? Or even that the deaths and injuries were fake?

Nope.

Just questioning the "official" narrative makes one baaaaaad, apparently.

[Wooden Indian]

Nope.

Just questioning the "official" narrative makes one baaaaaad, apparently.

I dig you, ender. You're a good guy and we agree on a lot, but i saw plenty of posts on injuries and deaths being faked before i ignored the thread.

Questioning is good... there are likely some things we do not know yet about that shooting... but coming up with outlandish and downright embarrassingly cringy theories does no one much good, bro.

[dannno]

I got so frustrated that all rational discussion ands news was abandoned in that thread in favor of silly "the guy never existed and these are all actors" theories, that I stopped opening it and found good discussion elsewhere.

To each their own... I hate that someone new to the forums will think that liberty people equals crazy people, but that's the board owner's call, I reckon.

This post is bull$#@! and you are fake news.

[Origanalist]

I dig you, ender. You're a good guy and we agree on a lot, but i saw plenty of posts on injuries and deaths being faked before i ignored the thread.

Questioning is good... there are likely some things we do not know yet about that shooting... but coming up with outlandish and downright embarrassingly cringy theories does no one much good, bro.

I should have read it more thoroughly before commenting. I was just wondering.

[dannno]

I should have read it more thoroughly before commenting. I was just wondering.

Ok, I think I know where the confusion is.

Some people theorized that it was possible that LESS than 500 people were shot, LESS than 58 people were murdered, based on pictures of injured people from the event. It turns out the venue was quite large and no picture would have captured the entire area, but there was some confusion about whether there may have been some crisis actors and whether the mass shooting may have been made out to be bigger than it actually was.

There was discussion of too few shells being left on the floor of the hotel. Multiple shooters, including some inside the venue. Just having multiple shooters inside the venue is a great excuse to bring in crisis actors to tell everyone otherwise, if that occurred.. it doesn't mean "everything was fake".

There was very little, if any discussion with regards to NO bullets being fired and everything being faked.. there was some legitimate discussion of a partial staging.

[Wooden Indian]

This post is bull$#@! and you are fake news.

What? I'm not news at all you goofball. Just sharing my opinion and my perspective - which you want to shut down... reminds me of the libtard tactics, danno. You're better than that, aren't you?

If I thought your tattered reputation held much water, id spend time reposting some of those asinine theories I speak of. However, most everyone around here knows you're a fool so I won't waste my time on it.

[otherone]

Questioning is good... there are likely some things we do not know yet about that shooting... but coming up with outlandish and downright embarrassingly cringy theories does no one much good, bro.

It was the Russians.

[phill4paul]

9/11 was an inside job.

No doubt about it.

[dannno]

What? I'm not news at all you goofball. Just sharing my opinion and my perspective - which you want to shut down... reminds me of the libtard tactics, danno. You're better than that, aren't you?

If I thought your tattered reputation held much water, id spend time reposting some of those asinine theories I speak of. However, most everyone around here knows you're a fool so I won't waste my time on it.

Your post was fake news because, you said:

I got so frustrated that all rational discussion ands news was abandoned in that thread in favor of silly "the guy never existed and these are all actors" theories, that I stopped opening it and found good discussion elsewhere.

The theory that he never existed and everybody who was injured was an actor was not seriously discussed in the thread if at all. The theory that someone else may have done it, or he may have already been dead or that crisis actors may have been involved or that there may have been multiple gunman were all discussed, but rarely simultaneously.

You missed the nuance when you were reading the thread apparently, and thought that anybody who questions the official narrative thought the entire incident was faked.

I don't think anybody in that thread, not one person, came to that conclusion.

[Wooden Indian]

Your post was fake news because, you said:



The theory that he never existed and everybody who was injured was an actor was not seriously discussed in the thread if at all. The theory that someone else may have done it, or he may have already been dead or that crisis actors may have been involved or that there may have been multiple gunman were all discussed, but rarely simultaneously.

You missed the nuance when you were reading the thread apparently, and thought that anybody who questions the official narrative thought the entire incident was faked.

I don't think anybody in that thread, not one person, came to that conclusion.

I spent two minutes on my cell looking through that thread and saw this. I also noticed how much you posted in it but claim to not have seen anything stating the guy never existed.

You're a liar.

I’ve been thinking for some time, that the story is so fake, that Stephen Paddock might be nothing more than a computer generated image. Or possibly he died a couple of years ago...
In the following video, somebody, who claims to be some sort of expert, explains that the first released photo of Stephen Paddock and his girlfriend is photoshopped.


If this picture was photoshopped, this is a strong indication that “Stephen Paddock” has been completely invented (or was real, but already dead). Look at the straight elbow on Marilou.


Somebody called George Soros, bought $1,35 million put options MGM Resorts International some 8 weeks before the Las Vegas “event” happened (in August). Put options only make money if stock goes down.
He also sold shares Las Vegas Sands and Wynn, who also own casinos in Las Vegas.
The CEO of MGM, James Murren, also sold huge amounts of stock MGM.
Predictably MGM stock went down after the “mass shooting” on 1 October in one of its hotels: http://halturnerradioshow.com/index....y-in-las-vegas

In one of those strange coincidences, Shaun Hoff made one of the videos of the starting of the shooting from inside the crowd. You can clearly see a group of crisis actors that try to cause a panic by running and screaming at the first sound of “gunshots”.
Shaun Hoff provides footage for CNN, I saw the video yesterday, but it has already been deleted from Youtube: https://youtu.be/-6DRmjXMTdQ

Here’s eye witness Brian Claypool, who should be nominated the Oscar for most convincing tears.


I’m not saying that Claypool’s performance is unconvincing, but it is a strange coincidence that he has mingled with celebrities, like Drew Pinsky.
Claypool even calls Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti his friend (see the picture): http://www.brianclaypoolmedia.com/media/

But like I said, you're a joke and spending two minutes proving your lies was two too many, tbh.

Get $#@!ed.

[dannno]

I spent two minutes on my cell looking through that thread and saw this. I also noticed how much you posted in it but claim to not have seen anything stating the guy never existed.

You're a liar.


But like I said, you're a joke and spending two minutes proving your lies was two too many, tbh.

Get $#@!ed.

Dude, Firestarter claims that his driver's license renewal is the key to solving the 9/11 conspiracy.. seriously, go read the first thread he ever created..

I said

The theory that he never existed and everybody who was injured was an actor was not seriously discussed in the thread if at all.

It was NEVER SERIOUSLY DISCUSSED in the thread if at all...

Yes, one poster made a posting or two or three, and ironically this is the SAME POSTER who Angela is upset at for posting about conspiracy theories in her threads and called them out the other day..

But a 'discussion' requires MORE THAN ONE poster..

Both you and Angela are projecting this SINGLE poster's behavior onto the entire rest of the forum who chooses to question the official narrative from the government..

That is why you are both being called the $#@! out.

You both could have just put him on ignore and there would have been virtually no discussion on that topic.