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  1. #31
    Novichok



    In Parliament, Prime Minister said that the daughter and ex spy were poisoned with a military grade nerve agent called Novichok,
    she also said it was developed by #Russia. Novichok is reported to be 5-8 times more lethal than VX nerve agent.

    Novichok meaning roughly "newcomer", "newbie" or "new guy") is a series of nerve agents that were developed by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s.

    Novichok on Trial 1994

    New York times/original article
    By DAVID WISE
    Page 001021
    The New York Times Archives
    Yesterday in Moscow, Russia's chief prosecutor dropped all charges against Vil Mirzayanov, a chemist who was jailed for revealing that the Soviets had secretly developed a binary nerve gas, code-named Novichok, that is 8 to 10 times as powerful as anything in America's arsenal.

    first arrested on Oct. 22, 1992

    at the time of Mr. Mirzayanov's arrest, chemical weapons were not on the list of "state secrets," presumably because the Government did not want to advertise that it had them.

    The gases -- a misnomer since they are actually liquids delivered in a fine mist -- inhibit the enzymes that control the nerve receptors in the brain. Victims, as one American expert explained, "forget to breathe."

    Novichok was not developed in large quantities, he said
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novich...nt#cite_note-4



    As someone mentioned in a different forum,
    "the agent has most likely been in the "open source" domain since the fall of the USSR,
    so there could be multiple sources even if the original formula is Soviet Union."


    ================


    Theresa May's "45 Minutes" Claim
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03...laim.html#more




    Saddam Hussein's armoury of chemical weapons is on standby for use within 45 minutes, Tony Blair's dossier revealed today.
    In an introduction, Mr Blair says that the evidence leaves Britain and the international community no choice but to act.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz59Ylu6bRj


    British government is outright lying.

    Novichok agent which have allegedly been used are several times more deadly than VX.

    There's no way the antidote was given in a timely manner so that the spy and his daughter are still alive (moreover the spy has health issues, so his survival should be even shorter) according to official version of the events.

    Kim Jong Nam died within minutes of exposure.

    Before giving a an antidote the following have supposedly happened:

    1) Elapsed time before symptoms are evident.
    2) Elapsed time before emergency services are called.
    3) Elapsed time before they arrive.
    4) Rush to hospital.
    5) Time before poisoning by nerve agent in recognized.
    6) Time before they can give the treatment.
    (possibly time before the treatment is given by a supplier, it's not widespread available I think)
    Either the perpetrator totally $#@!ed up and only a ridiculously small dose was used and and spilled over the place, or it's bull$#@!.









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    "MPs call for Kremlin-funded Russia Today to be taken off air"

    (god forbid the brits should hear anything but their own propaganda)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...taken-air.html


    ========

    BINGO! (if you wait long enuf... they always spit out the trooff!)


    We see a Kremlin intent on dismantling world order - May
    https://www.rt.com/uk/421078-may-skr...ia-parliament/
    Last edited by goldenequity; 03-12-2018 at 02:09 PM.



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  3. #32
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43377698

    Russian spy: What is Novichok and what does it do?

    1) It was developed in the Soviet Union

    The name Novichok means "newcomer" in Russian, and applies to a group of advanced nerve agents developed by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s.

    They were known as fourth generation chemical weapons and were developed under a Soviet programme codenamed "Foliant".

    In 1999, defence officials from the US travelled to Uzbekistan to help dismantle and decontaminate one of the former Soviet Union's largest chemical weapons testing facilities.

    According to a senior defector, the Soviets used the plant to produce and test small batches of Novichok. The nerve agent was designed to escape detection by international inspectors.

    2) It is more toxic than other agents

    One of the group of chemicals known as Novichok - A-230 - is reportedly 5-8 times more toxic than VX nerve agent.

    "This is a more dangerous and sophisticated agent than sarin or VX and is harder to identify," says Professor Gary Stephens, a pharmacology expert at the University of Reading.

    VX agent was the chemical used to kill the half-brother of Kim Jong-un last year, according to the US.

    A number of variants of A-230 have been manufactured, and one of them was reportedly approved for use by the Russian military as a chemical weapon.

    3) It exists in various forms

    While some variants of Novichok are liquids, others are thought to exist in solid form.

    They can be dispersed as an ultra-fine powder as opposed to a gas.

    Some of the agents are also reported to be "binary weapons", meaning the nerve agent is typically stored as two less toxic chemical ingredients. When these are mixed, they react to produce the active toxic agent.

    This makes the ingredients easier to transport as they only become fully toxic when mixed.

    "One of the main reasons these agents are developed is because their component parts are not on the banned list," says Professor Stephens. "It means the chemicals that are mixed to create it are much easier to deliver with no risk to the health of the courier."

    4) It takes effect very quickly

    If a person inhales Novichok, or even if it touches the skin, it begins to take effect rapidly.

    Symptoms can start to show in as little as 30 seconds to 2 minutes.

    However, systemic symptoms may not show until 18 hours after exposure.



    5) Its symptoms are similar to those of other nerve agents

    It is thought Novichok has similar effects to other nerve agents.

    This means it acts by blocking the messages from the nerves to the muscles, causing a collapse of many bodily functions.

    Symptoms include white eyes, as the pupils become constricted, convulsions, drooling and, in the worse cases, coma, respiratory failure and death.

    It primarily causes a slowing of the heart and restriction of the airways, leading to death by asphyxiation.

    Some variants of Novichok have been specifically designed to resist standard nerve agent antidotes.

    If a person is exposed to it, their clothing should be removed and their skin washed with soap and water. Their eyes should be rinsed and they should be given oxygen.




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  5. #33
    so this guy worked with Steele ?

    now, why would Steele go and treat his buddies like that ?

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Horse_Rider View Post
    so this guy worked with Steele ?

    now, why would Steele go and treat his buddies like that ?
    When you are no longer useful you know too much.

    Dead men tell no tales.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Horse_Rider View Post
    so this guy worked with Steele ?

    now, why would Steele go and treat his buddies like that ?
    He supposedly knew somebody who also knew Steele. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.3862516

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    When you are no longer useful you know too much.

    Dead men tell no tales.
    Russia agrees.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...iving-britain/

    A presenter on Russian state television has issued an apparent threat to "traitors" living in Britain.

    Kirill Kleymenov warned of the dangers of spying on Russia and advised those who betrayed their country: "Don't choose Britain as a place to live."

    The comments, made on Channel One's Vremya news programme on Wednesday evening, came amid speculation over who was behind the attempted murder of a double agent on British soil.

    "I don't wish death on anyone, but, purely for educational purposes, I have a warning for anyone who dreams of such a career," he reportedly said.

    "The profession of a traitor is one of the most dangerous in the world."

    He described alcoholism, drug addiction, stress and depression as the "professional illnesses of a traitor" and also warned of heart attacks, strokes, car accidents and suicide.

    In an apparent threat, Mr Kleymenov advised "traitors" against moving to Britain, adding: "Something is wrong there. Maybe it's the climate, but in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with grave outcomes there.

    "People get hanged, poisoned, they die in helicopter crashes and fall out of windows in industrial quantities.”


    Russia has denied any involvement in the suspected nerve agent attack on Sergei Skripal in Salisbury, which comes seven years after he was released from the country as part of a spy swap with the US.

    A number of Russians have died in suspicious circumstances over the years.

    Boris Berezovsky, a government critic, was found hanged at his home in Berkshire in March 2013. The coroner delivered an open verdict.

    And Alexander Litvinenko, a former FSB security service officer, died in 2006 after being poisoned with polonium-210 in a Mayfair hotel, allegedly by Russian hitmen.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-12-2018 at 04:26 PM.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    When you are no longer useful you know too much.Dead men tell no tales.
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Funny how all these deaths take place in Britain and are designed to make Russia look bad isn't it.
    Selling out to the British is a foolish move indeed.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Funny how all these deaths take place in Britain and are designed to make Russia look bad isn't it.
    Selling out to the British is a foolish move indeed.


    The United Kingdom has ever been our friend and ally...

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Funny how all these deaths take place in Britain and are designed to make Russia look bad isn't it.
    Selling out to the British is a foolish move indeed.
    You don't hear about the ones which happen in Russia. Dissent is a dangerous undertaking.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-12-2018 at 05:50 PM.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    You don't hear about the ones which happen in Russia.
    There are no Russian defectors anywhere but Britain?
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    Theresa May is on the case with MI5 and 6 eh (?) This is gonna be YUUUGE.
    I'm sure Ms. May is working diligently to uncover every everything about the Skripal-Steele connection, as well as exposing everything about the chemical exercise only 5 km away where VX gas was first developed.
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  16. #43
    Just found/started watching this on Amazon Prime
    pretty trippy...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5834198/



    Comrade Detective is an American buddy cop show created by Brian Gatewood and Alessandro Tanaka.
    The show follows the premise of popular US action/cop-buddy films and television shows from the 1980s
    and presents the episodes as a fictional lost Romanian television show commissioned by the Communist Party
    to promote a communist worldview during the Cold War.

    Channing Tatum and Jon Ronson present the show as if it were an actual influential Romanian television show from the 1980s.
    Produced by the Romanian communist government, it served as a device to promote a communist worldview
    opposed to Western capitalism and imperialism during the Cold War.
    Lost over the years, producers recently found surviving copies of the episodes.
    With the help of the fictional Romanian Film Preservation Society they have restored the episodes and dubbed them into English.

    Within the show hard-boiled but troubled Bucharest police detective Gregor Anghel and his partner respond to a drug bust against the orders of their Captain.
    This results in a man in a Ronald Reagan mask killing his partner in front of him.
    Anghel, along with his new partner from the countryside Iosif Baciu, must solve his partner's murder.
    In doing so, they uncover an insidious western plot to indoctrinate Romanian society with capitalism and religion.



  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    I'm sure Ms. May is working diligently to uncover every everything about the Skripal-Steele connection, as well as exposing everything about the chemical exercise only 5 km away where VX gas was first developed.
    The connection is very weak. Skripal knew a person who knew Steele. Russian deflection of the topic.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Funny how all these deaths take place in Britain and are designed to make Russia look bad isn't it.
    Selling out to the British is a foolish move indeed.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The connection is very weak. Skripal knew a person who knew Steele. Russian deflection of the topic.
    Except for the fact that it is rather significant. Just another Zippy deflection with Zippy spreading outright falsehoods:

    Sergei Skripal was an agent Steele himself had recruited or was running ...

    Steele was an MI6 undercover agent in Moscow when Skripal was recruited and handed over Russian secrets to the MI6. Steel also ran the Russia desk so anything about Skripal will have passed through Steele. They certainly knew each other. Additionally one man who worked for Steele's private company, likely also a former British spy, lived in the same town as Skripal and had been friends with him since he had arrived there. That man or someone else attempted to cover up the connection by deleting his LinkedIn entry. …

    a connection between the dossier and Skripal ... seems very likelythen there are a number of people and organizations with potential motives to kill him [for instance Steele, Orbis, MI6, FBI, Clinton, DNC, CIA]. ... the connection between Steele and Skripal is way too deep to be irrelevant here. ...
    • Did Skripal help Steele to make up the "dossier" about Trump?
    • Were Skripal's old connections used to contact other people in Russia to ask about Trump dirt?
    • Did Skripal threaten to talk?

    These questions deserve answers. Everything should be placed out in the open. The people have a right to know.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There are no Russian defectors anywhere but Britain?
    There was the RT founder Mikhael Lesin, killed in Washington D.C, whom the FBI determined beat himself to death with massive blunt force injuries to his head, neck, torso, upper extremities and lower extremities.

    The FBI theory is that he got drunk and repeatedly and violently fell down over and over again until he beat himself to death all over his entire body.

    Nothing to look at there.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    There was the RT founder Mikhael Lesin, killed in Washington D.C, whom the FBI determined beat himself to death with massive blunt force injuries to his head, neck, torso, upper extremities and lower extremities.

    The FBI theory is that he got drunk and repeatedly and violently fell down over and over again until he beat himself to death all over his entire body.

    Nothing to look at there.
    At least they didn't blame the Russians.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Except for the fact that it is rather significant. Just another Zippy deflection with Zippy spreading outright falsehoods:

    Sergei Skripal was an agent Steele himself had recruited or was running ...

    Steele was an MI6 undercover agent in Moscow when Skripal was recruited and handed over Russian secrets to the MI6. Steel also ran the Russia desk so anything about Skripal will have passed through Steele. They certainly knew each other. Additionally one man who worked for Steele's private company, likely also a former British spy, lived in the same town as Skripal and had been friends with him since he had arrived there. That man or someone else attempted to cover up the connection by deleting his LinkedIn entry. …

    a connection between the dossier and Skripal ... seems very likelythen there are a number of people and organizations with potential motives to kill him [for instance Steele, Orbis, MI6, FBI, Clinton, DNC, CIA]. ... the connection between Steele and Skripal is way too deep to be irrelevant here. ...
    • Did Skripal help Steele to make up the "dossier" about Trump?
    • Were Skripal's old connections used to contact other people in Russia to ask about Trump dirt?
    • Did Skripal threaten to talk?

    These questions deserve answers. Everything should be placed out in the open. The people have a right to know.

    From your link:
    Steele was an MI6 undercover agent in Moscow when Skripal was recruited and handed over Russian secrets to the MI6. Steel also ran the Russia desk so anything about Skripal will have passed through Steele.
    So he might have heard about- but not necessarily met or worked with- Skripal.

    Steele worked in Russia from 1990- 1993. Skripal reportedly wasn't recruited until 1995- two years after Steele left Moscow.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43291394

    He was arrested near his home in 2004 and convicted two years later of "high treason in the form of espionage" by Moscow's military court. He was stripped of all his titles and awards.

    Sergei Skripal, 66, had been living in Salisbury after being released by Russia in 2010

    He was alleged by the Russian security service (FSB) to have been recruited in 1995 for the British secret services while serving in the army.

    The connection according to your article?

    one man who worked for Steele's private company, likely also a former British spy, lived in the same town as Skripal and had been friends with him since he had arrived there.
    So somebody who lived in the same town knew both men. Doesn't mean they knew or worked with each other. Doesn't say when the friend worked for Steele.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-12-2018 at 07:20 PM.

  24. #50
    The White House on Monday denounced the poisoning of a former Russian spy in England with a nerve agent as “an outrage” but did not echo London’s charge that Moscow was “highly likely” to be behind the attack.“The use of a highly lethal nerve agent against U.K. citizens on U.K. soil is an outrage. The attack was reckless, indiscriminate and irresponsible,” President Trump’s press secretary, Sarah Sanders, told reporters. “We offer the fullest condemnation and we extend our sympathy to the victims and their families and our support to the U.K. government. We stand by our closest ally and the special relationship that we have.”

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-hou...200117652.html
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  25. #51
    Secretary of State was more specific.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...om-russia.html

    Tillerson: US 'outraged' by poisoning of ex-spy that 'clearly came from Russia'

    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson told reporters Monday evening that the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain last week "clearly came from Russia" and "certainly will trigger a response."

    Tillerson added that he did not know whether the Kremlin had knowledge of the March 4 attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia. But he did say that the poison could not have originated anywhere else and was "only in the hands of a very, very limited number of parties." He did not elaborate on what response might follow.

    "There is never a justification for this type of attack – the attempted murder of a private citizen on the soil of a sovereign nation – and we are outraged that Russia appears to have again engaged in such behavior," Tillerson said in a statement. "From Ukraine to Syria – and now the U.K. – Russia continues to be an irresponsible force of instability in the world, acting with open disregard for the sovereignty of other states and the life of their citizens."

    Tillerson spoke hours after British Prime Minister Theresa May told the House of Commons that Moscow was "highly likely" to blame for the attack in the southwestern city of Salisbury. Tillerson's statement said that he had "full confidence in the U.K.’s investigation" and its assessment of Russian responsibility.

  26. #52
    They need to hurry up and make some "no poison zones." None of this could have happened if they had "no poison zones."

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    There was the RT founder Mikhael Lesin, killed in Washington D.C, whom the FBI determined beat himself to death with massive blunt force injuries to his head, neck, torso, upper extremities and lower extremities.

    The FBI theory is that he got drunk and repeatedly and violently fell down over and over again until he beat himself to death all over his entire body.

    Nothing to look at there.
    Hows about the fellow thrown off the roof down in Florida ?

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    At least they didn't blame the Russians.
    Actually.....

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopol...gGP#.nu76arpRy

    "Everyone thinks he was whacked"

    Vladimir Putin’s former media czar was murdered in Washington, DC, on the eve of a planned meeting with the US Justice Department, according to two FBI agents whose assertions cast new doubts on the US government’s official explanation of his death.

    Mikhail Lesin’s battered body was discovered in his Dupont Circle hotel room on the morning of Nov. 5, 2015, with blunt-force injuries to the head, neck, and torso. After an almost yearlong "comprehensive investigation," a federal prosecutor announced last October that Lesin died alone in his room due to a series of drunken falls “after days of excessive consumption of alcohol.” His death was ruled an "accident," and prosecutors closed the case.

    But the two FBI agents — as well as a third agent and a serving US intelligence officer — said Lesin was actually bludgeoned to death. None of these officials were directly involved in the government’s investigation, but they said they learned about it from colleagues who were.

    “Lesin was beaten to death,” one of the FBI agents said. “I would implore you to say as much. There seems to be an effort here to cover up that fact for reasons I can't get into.”

    He continued: “What I can tell you is that there isn’t a single person inside the bureau who believes this guy got drunk, fell down, and died. Everyone thinks he was whacked and that Putin or the Kremlin were behind it.”

    In another previously unreported revelation, the two FBI agents said it was the Department of Justice that paid for the hotel room where Lesin died. DOJ officials had invited the Russian to Washington to interview him about the inner workings of RT, the Kremlin-funded network that Lesin founded, they said.

    But Lesin never made it to the interview. He died the night before it was scheduled to take place.

    Last month, a two-year investigation by BuzzFeed News revealed explosive evidence pointing to Russia in 14 suspicious deaths on British soil that the UK government had largely ignored. Four high-ranking US intelligence officials confirmed that those deaths had been linked to Russian security services or mafia gangs, two groups that sometimes work in tandem, by “intelligence gathered in the field and analysed” by US spies and handed to Britain’s security services. But the UK police publicly declared that none of the 14 incidents involved foul play. As a result, the public has been kept in the dark about what national security officials have long suspected: Russian assassins may have murdered in the UK with impunity.

    Some American officials now fear the threat has hit home. Lesin’s death raised “concerns” that the Kremlin would start “doing here what they do with some regularity in London,” said a former high-level national security official who recently left government. Altogether, 18 current and former intelligence, law enforcement, and other federal officials told BuzzFeed News that they question the official story of how Lesin died.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-12-2018 at 09:20 PM.

  29. #55
    @Zippyjuan is a jingoistic slovophobe.

    Do you believe in conspiracies, zip?

  30. #56
    Jan2017
    Member

    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    I'm sure Ms. May is working diligently to uncover every everything about the Skripal-Steele connection, as well as exposing everything about the chemical exercise only 5 km away where VX gas was first developed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The connection is very weak. Skripal knew a person who knew Steele. Russian deflection of the topic.
    or Zippy deflection of the Skripal-Steele connection . . . apparently knew each other while both working as MI-6 agents . . . right ?
    Zippy has HR records of when they "worked" as agents . . . proves sometin' I guess to Zips - LOL

    The guy is not dead either . . . very sloppy of a hit. If Russia wanted this guy dead would they really do it in Britain with a very deadly nerve agent that is probably very expensive and not get him.

    May is lying. Tillerson has confidence in her assessment of "Russians"
    Last edited by Jan2017; 03-12-2018 at 10:38 PM.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Steele worked in Russia from 1990- 1993. Skripal reportedly wasn't recruited until 1995- two years after Steele left Moscow.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43291394.
    So don't investigate the obvious links? This is just More Zippy disinfo.

    Steele worked at the UK embassy from 1990-1993 establishing contacts and assets, then from 1993 through 2006 Steele worked the MI6 Russia desk in Western Europe as Kremlin specialist until his cover was blown in 2006 when Steele then headed the MI6 Russia desk. Skripal was passing secrets to the MI6 from 1995 thru 2004 (when Skripal was arrested) , the entire time Steele was the Kremlin specialist at the MI6 Russia desk. When Steele left the MI6 in 2008, he started his private intelligence company Orbis which he pushed as a specialist in Russia with Russian contacts.

    See what UK's own experts have to say about the matter:

    "It is beyond doubt that he [Skripal] would have known Steele and Steele would have known him," said Professor Anthony Glees, the director of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham.

    Jonathan Eyal, international director at think-tank the Royal United Services Institute, agreed that "it is likely" Steele and Skripal were linked.

    Further Skripal's MI6 handler in UK (and Steele's consultant), up until he deleted his LinkedIn account, listed himself as a consultant for Steele Orbis Business Intelligence.

    Isn't it also convenient that the incident took place only 8 km away from the largest stockpile of nerve agents in Europe.

    But hey, no need to investigate the obvious evidence. Look the other way. Sweep it under the rug. Much better simply to declare the conclusion first, ignore and suppress all evidence otherwise, and present only innuendo to fit the pre-desired , but evidence free, conclusion.
    Last edited by AZJoe; 03-13-2018 at 01:31 PM.
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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    daughter confirmed as second victim
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/europ...ntl/index.html


    Salisbury resident Freya Church described seeing the pair on the bench appearing "out of it."

    "She sort of leant in on him, it looked like she'd passed out maybe.

    He was doing some strange hand movements, looking up to the sky," Church told Reuters on Monday.

    "I felt like I should step in but to be honest they looked so out of it
    that I thought that even if I did step in I wasn't sure how I would help.

    So yeah, I just left them, but it looked like they'd been taking something quite strong."
    Elis D

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    BreakingNNow
    BREAKING: Spokesperson for Downing Street says that
    Donald Trump has told Theresa May during a phone call that the U.S. was "with the UK all the way"
    and
    the Russian government must provide " unambiguous answers as to how this nerve agent came to be used"
    (right.)
    #FollowTheMoney
    Sergey Bobkov
    Interesting angle: spy poisoning hysteria and subsequent calls for "EU to stand with attacked Britain"
    fits extremely well with the anti-NordStream2 narrative pushed by US and its East European colonies,
    who go out of their way to sabotage the pipeline deal.

    David Sheppard
    @OilSheppard
    Awkward:
    As Westminster prepares additional measures against Russia.... 50 miles east another cargo of Russian LNG is unloading at Isle of Grain.
    There's a fair chance that as MPs debate the nerve agent attack in Salisbury....
    the Houses of Parliament could be heated by Siberian gas.

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