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    Republicans Have Four Easy Ways To #ReleaseTheMemo...Not Doing So Will Prove Them Frauds

    1. Trump can declassify anything he wants.

    All classification by the U.S. government has no basis in laws passed by Congress (with one tiny exception that is irrelevant here). Rather, all classification is based on presidential executive orders, which rely on the president’s constitutional role as commander in chief of the armed forces. According to the Supreme Court, the presidential power “to classify and control access to information bearing on national security … flows primarily from the constitutional investment of power in the president.”
    That means presidents can also declassify anything they chose to — for any reason or no reason — as they have done in the past. George W. Bush, under pressure in 2004, declassified the section of the 2001 presidential daily brief headlined “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” Barack Obama declassified the Justice Department memos produced during the Bush presidency on the legality of torture.
    Thus if the House Intelligence Committee merely releases a version of its memo without the supporting documentation, that won’t be just because they don’t want Americans to see it – it will be because Trump doesn’t want us to see it either. Note that GOP House members are insistent that releasing the memo and the underlying source material would not remotely harm national security:

    Releasing this classified info doesn't compromise good sources & methods. It reveals the feds' reliance on bad sources & methods.
    — Lee Zeldin (@RepLeeZeldin) January 18, 2018
    So what possible justification is there for Trump to continue to conceal this alleged evidence of massive criminality from the American people by hiding it behind “classified” designations? Indeed, it is illegal to abuse classified designations to hide evidence of official criminality: so not only can Trump declassify such evidence, one could argue that he must, or at least should.
    2. The House (and Senate) intelligence committees can declassify any material they possess.

    According to the procedural rules of both houses of Congress, their intelligence committees can declassify material in their possession if the committee votes that such declassification would be in the public interest. It is then declassified after five days unless the president formally objects. If the president does object, the full chamber votes on the question.
    It is true that – in a measure of how embarrassingly deferential Congress is to the executive branch – neither the House nor the Senate intelligence committees has ever utilized this power, so it’s impossible to know how this gambit would play out in practice. But if Trump refused to release proof of the Obama administration’s misdeeds, congressional Republicans should have a straightforward way to overrule him.
    3. The Constitution protects members of Congress from prosecution for “any speech or debate in either House.”

    Members of Congress have legal immunity for acts they commit as part of the legislative process. Article I, Section 6, clause 1 of the Constitution states that “for any speech or debate in either House, [Senators and Representatives] shall not be questioned in any other place.” It is this constitutional shield that protected Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska from legal consequences in 1971 when he read sections of the Pentagon Papers during a meeting of the Senate Subcommittee on Public Buildings and Grounds, and then placed the rest of the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record.
    It’s true that members could face legal consequences for ancillary acts — perhaps if they unlawfully removed the relevant material from the congressional SCIF. But they could go to the House floor and describe both the memo’s revelations and the underlying evidence for it without any fear of legal consequences.
    If the memo really proves what they claim, it would seem to be their patriotic duty would compel them do this. Ordinary citizens — like Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden, and Chelsea Manning — have risked prison in order to expose what they believed were serious official crimes; these members of Congress can do this without any of those consequences. So what justifies their failure to do this?
    4. Republicans can leak everything to the news media.

    If for some reason Trump and the congressional leadership refuse to use any of the above options to vindicate themselves, a brave member of Congress could turn whistleblower and transmit the classified proof of the GOP’s claims about the memo to the news media.
    Many outlets now have secure methods of sending sensitive material to them, such as Secure Drop. Those for The Intercept can be found here. (All leaking entails risks, as we describe in our manual for whistleblowers.)
    * * *
    So that’s that. All Americans, particularly conservatives, should ask every Republican making spectacular assertions about this memo when they will be using the above ways to conclusively demonstrate that everything they’ve said is based in rock-solid fact.

    If they do not, Republicans will conclusively demonstrate something else.
    They will prove conclusively that all of this is about them shamelessly making claims they do not actually believe, fraudulently posturing as caring about one of the most vital, fundamental issues facing the United States: how the U.S. government uses the vast surveillance powers with which it has been vested.


    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ill-prove-them
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    As more people have become aware of the back-story to the campaign surveillance, FISA-702 issue, and the unlawful conduct of the FBI and DOJ,
    there is also a great deal of misinformation.
    Few people have followed the entire story as it unfolded
    and that has led to large numbers of people mistakenly thinking
    the process for revealing the classified intelligence -at the heart of the issue- can be easily released.


    There are also multiple media voices taking advantage of people with limited understanding of the year-long process.
    Glenn Greenwald published an article today claiming there were “Four Easy Ways the Nunes memo could be revealed.
    That article by Greenwald is intentional disinformation targeted to cloud the larger issues and create chaos.

    ►A deconstruction of Greenwald’s ridiculous arguments is HERE.

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    Best Way

    Chairman Devin Nunes met with Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte to discuss the best process to release the memo.
    There are generally two ways it could be done, the HPSCI vote is the most likely.

    According to Representative Dave Joyce (R-OH14) the House Intelligence Committee will hold the vote on the release of the four-page Nunes memo




    "It is essential the process is followed that allows the larger story to come out
    without providing the use of political cover by those who are intent on hiding the corruption."


    --------



    The below is a MASSIVE resource/article explaining the entire history/background
    of the legal and political maneuvering involved so far...
    in clawing and prying information from the clutches of the intelligence 'system'.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...rruption-memo/



    I just lightly touched on a few things above...
    If you find any bits you like
    feel free to post/explain them...
    Last edited by goldenequity; 01-21-2018 at 05:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    As more people have become aware of the back-story to the campaign surveillance, FISA-702 issue, and the unlawful conduct of the FBI and DOJ,
    there is also a great deal of misinformation.
    Few people have followed the entire story as it unfolded
    and that has led to large numbers of people mistakenly thinking
    the process for revealing the classified intelligence -at the heart of the issue- can be easily released.


    There are also multiple media voices taking advantage of people with limited understanding of the year-long process.
    Glenn Greenwald published an article today claiming there were “Four Easy Ways the Nunes memo could be revealed.
    That article by Greenwald is intentional disinformation targeted to cloud the larger issues and create chaos.

    ►A deconstruction of Greenwald’s ridiculous arguments is HERE.
    A good article but I agree with Greenwald just a little bit anyway, IF it comes down to a choice between the memo not getting released or one of Greenwald's options somebody needs to go kamikaze, preferably someone who is already going to retire anyway, that is how important this is.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Prove?

    Already proved that Republicans are frauds by failing to repeal ObamaCare while they had the chance.

    That said, I hope somebody goes off the reservation and just simply leaks this info.

    And that it is, in fact, the bombshell that everybody is saying it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Prove?

    Already proved that Republicans are frauds by failing to repeal ObamaCare while they had the chance.

    That said, I hope somebody goes off the reservation and just simply leaks this info.

    And that it is, in fact, the bombshell that everybody is saying it is.
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

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    If the claims being made about this memo are factual, that could undermine the very basis for Mueller investigation ?

    IF that turned out to be the case, then all the secondary gates/scandals linked to/stemmed from original "Russia gate" (such as Israel-Flynn gate, Bannon claimed Kushner money laundering gate, latest Peggy Peterson-Michael Cohen gate etc) would also become moot?

    This would be huge news if confirmed.



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