Campaign Opens Fire on Perry: "Al Gore's Texas Cheerleader"

[FreeTraveler]

I hate the Reagan idol worship. I thought we were better than this.

The 50+ R demographic will love this. The campaign needs to get their attention and this will do it.

All of this is true. Many people only remember campaign promises, not the reality of what happened. Many people of that era still think Reagan made government smaller, since that's what he said he'd do.

"The American people have never reached this point of disgust with politicians before. I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration" - Ron Paul

Look for this ad to backfire.

Nah, this is easy to counter. I was going to explain, but I see undergroundrr did already.

Standing up for what Reagan represented before he became a crappy president is no different than standing up for what Thomas Jefferson or James Madison represented before they became crappy presidents. There's no compromise in this ad and no need for anyone to have a bad taste about it. Well played by the campaign. And no, I don't think Ron has to take out the fists and resort to personal attacks in the debate. He'll remain most powerful if he takes the personal high road, nails the policy discussions and lets the campaign take care of the rest.

That's all the campaign has to say. Toning down the 'crappy president' phrase, of course.

[TexMac]

You guys are judging this ad by how you, as political junkies, feel about it. 50+ unengaged couch potato Fox-watching Americans are going to have a very different reaction. And, they vote in greater numbers.

[ItsTime]

Yeah people are going to get upset because Ron later thought RR was not CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH lmao The horror!

[Chainspell]

Do you want to win the election and PREVENT Rick Perry from becoming President?

Yes im in this to win it. I'm all in, there's no turning back now. Do whatever the hell it is you gotta do to win it. I will go punch a baby in the face to prevent rick perry from winning!!

[S.Shorland]

IF they ask him why he disassociated himself,they can have a lively talk.The thing is,he saw the light along with Reagan.His disassociation is his badge of honour.No pandering just saying it like he saw it but he was there and showing his 'tea party' bona fides 30 years ago.

"The American people have never reached this point of disgust with politicians before. I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration" - Ron Paul

Look for this ad to backfire.

[Eric21ND]

This is exactly what we needed, the Perry supporters are the dumbed down Tea Party Supporters that RP needs if he's going to win the Rep Nomination. If you study these recent poll numbers you'll see that the bulk of the Tea Party has fallen for Perry. I'd guess the majority of these supporters are so desperate to beat Obama and thinking Perry is the one to do that has totally over looked his past and real positions. They've done no research, this is why we must throw the facts in their faces. The rest of the non-Tea Reps are going for Mitt or Perry because of the "unelectable" label RP has in the media. This AD confronts both issues. I honestly don't think they went near far enough on the attack I want to see more of these type AD's as well as a "Ron Paul was RIGHT" AD showing his predictions and sending the message that RP is the only one who saw the problem and the only one who can fix it.

This +1776...great first post!

We need to hit Perry and take him down a notch, we can't allow him to be the Tea Party choice to run against the establishment Romney. We need to run this just like Rand's campaign did against Grayson. Perry is the establishment and this ad hits right between the eyes to those that would other be duped into supporting him thinking he's a real alternative.

[JohnGalt23g]

While I do think it is an effective ad...


... I sure hope the campaign is prepared for questions form the press about just what Ron Paul was doing in 1988, while Rick Perry was supporting someone other than a Republican.

[LibertyEagle]

Of all the stuff to hit Perry with, I will never understand why "He didn't stand with Reagan!" was what was chosen.

What people loved was what Reagan SAID. Most didn't keep up with what he DID.

If he would have been able to do what he talked about, he would have been one of the greatest Presidents who ever lived. Nonetheless, he did cause Americans to remember the principles upon which this country was founded and what once made us the beacon of liberty around the world. I will always love him for that.

Ron Paul is our chance to actually follow through on the rhetoric.

[Chainspell]

Lol this thread is getting 1 or 2 replies a minute!

[LibertyEagle]

While I do think it is an effective ad...


... I sure hope the campaign is prepared for questions form the press about just what Ron Paul was doing in 1988, while Rick Perry was supporting someone other than a Republican.

One year? Big deal. Bush, Sr. was total D.C. Insider Establishment. Reagan knew it and I'll bet anything that he was pressured to accept him as a V.P. Because he had promised the conservatives that he would not have anything to do with such people. He also changed majorly after he was shot.

Ron Paul has always been running on very much the same platform that Reagan did. Dr. Paul has picked up the torch and is trying to carry it on home. Where Reagan was unable to accomplish what he talked about, Ron Paul will.

[sailingaway]

This is exactly what we needed, the Perry supporters are the dumbed down Tea Party Supporters that RP needs if he's going to win the Rep Nomination. If you study these recent poll numbers you'll see that the bulk of the Tea Party has fallen for Perry. I'd guess the majority of these supporters are so desperate to beat Obama and thinking Perry is the one to do that has totally over looked his past and real positions. They've done no research, this is why we must throw the facts in their faces. The rest of the non-Tea Reps are going for Mitt or Perry because of the "unelectable" label RP has in the media. This AD confronts both issues. I honestly don't think they went near far enough on the attack I want to see more of these type AD's as well as a "Ron Paul was RIGHT" AD showing his predictions and sending the message that RP is the only one who saw the problem and the only one who can fix it.

Welcome to the forums!

However, I don't think the actual tea party have fallen for Perry. I think pollsters who want to pretend that either to get Perry support or to discredit the tea party define the tea party in such a way as to come up with that result.

[realtonygoodwin]

I am worried this could backfire... Ron Paul ran against Reagan (in the form of his successor) the same year Gore did...

[Bruno]

I am worried this could backfire... Ron Paul ran against Reagan the same year Gore did...

Because Reagan wasn't conservative enough and went back on promises. Not a problem.

[crhoades]

How do we answer the fact that Reagan was a democrat at one time and changed many of his stances?

[erowe1]

How do we answer the fact that Reagan was a democrat at one time and changed many of his stances?

Perry doesn't claim to have changed his stances. He claims that he stayed the same and that all that changed was the letter after his name.

[Havax]

Great ad but I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish they had thrown Reagan's endorsement of Ron in there.

[sailingaway]

Yes im in this to win it. I'm all in, there's no turning back now. Do whatever the hell it is you gotta do to win it. I will go punch a baby in the face to prevent rick perry from winning!!

I wouldn't. I'd do something else.

[Travlyr]

How do we answer the fact that Reagan was a democrat at one time and changed many of his stances?

Reagan was a Jeffersonian Democrat while Perry was a Wilsonian Democrat.

[erowe1]

Reagan was a Jeffersonian Democrat

Really? Where'd you get that?

[matt0611]

How do we answer the fact that Reagan was a democrat at one time and changed many of his stances?

Easy, Reagan actually changed his stances while Rick Perry simply saw which way the wind was blowing and saw that he couldn't get anywhere being a democrat in Texas.

[Travlyr]

Really? Where'd you get that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

[erowe1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

I can't watch it right now. But didn't Reagan support New Deal policies? How does being a Jeffersonian Democrat fit with that? And what does being a Jeffersonian Democrat mean in the context of the 1940's anyway?

[sailingaway]

What people loved was what Reagan SAID. Most didn't keep up with what he DID.

If he would have been able to do what he talked about, he would have been one of the greatest Presidents who ever lived. Nonetheless, he did cause Americans to remember the principles upon which this country was founded and what once made us the beacon of liberty around the world. I will always love him for that.

Ron Paul is our chance to actually follow through on the rhetoric.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to LibertyEagle again.

*sigh*

[sailingaway]

I can't watch it right now. But didn't Reagan support New Deal policies? How does being a Jeffersonian Democrat fit with that? And what does being a Jeffersonian Democrat mean in the context of the 1940's anyway?

I think the point was not what kind of Democrat Reagan was but that he had a conversion of ideas, and fought for them even while they were unpopular, whereas even Perry's rebuttal to the Democrat charge shows he was in whatever party and ascribing to whatever platform would get him elected in Texas.

[low preference guy]

I came here to post this and your other criticisms.

Dumb move to criticize another politician when you can be criticized on that exact topic. Leave Reagan out of it, and only harp on the Gore stuff, if you must.

Bunch of amateurs running the show.

Except that they won't criticize Paul because that would make him more credible. You don't criticize the guy running third.

[erowe1]

I think the point was not what kind of Democrat Reagan was but that he had a conversion of ideas

I don't see how calling Reagan a Jeffersonian Democrat makes that point.

[sailingaway]

I don't see how calling Reagan a Jeffersonian Democrat makes that point.

I'm not ascribing to nor caring what kind of a Democrat Reagan was, that was my point. The point was his change was sincere, at the time he changed.

[erowe1]

I'm not ascribing to nor caring what kind of a Democrat Reagan was, that was my point. The point was his change was sincere, at the time he changed.

OK. But the exchange you replied to was my asking Trav about his calling Reagan a Jeffersonian Democrat.

[low preference guy]

For those worried about "what RP was doing in 88", all he has to do is remind people of "read my lips, no new taxes".

[Travlyr]

I can't watch it right now. But didn't Reagan support New Deal policies? How does being a Jeffersonian Democrat fit with that? And what does being a Jeffersonian Democrat mean in the context of the 1940's anyway?

When you have the time to watch this speech by Ronald Reagan compare what he says with Jefferson's policies vs. Wilson's policies.